Alaska panel finds Sarah Palin unlawfully abused her power...

I can't even wait to hear the excuses....

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest her armpits!

I'd love to build a time machine and send her back to the Dark Ages, where she belongs.

May her face break out in dozens of angry red zits, and may her poop hole host a bulging purple hemmorhoid.

omg mooni! My stomach churned on that last one. Gag. 

May she be reincarnated as a candelabrum, to hang by day and burn by night!

Original Post by wbrumley:

I am so tired of hearing about Ayers.  Judging someone based on who they associate with.  With that kind of thinking is that?  Based on that then if one of your former friends from high school bombed a building then you'd be judged harshly because you were friends with them years ago.  But if we are judging someone based on the past then lets not forget the Keating Five Scandal McCain supporters.   

I guess the kind of thinking it is, is no thinking at all. 

Back in the 70s, I lived two blocks away from someone who was found to be a serial killer who buried bodies in the yard and cellar.  Before his crimes were discovered, I remember him attending meetings of the community organization where I sat on the board of directors. I often passed him on the street. Does that mean I palled around with serial killers?

it seems like sarah palin has been engaged in the kind of fronteir justice that's been going on in the north for a couple of hundred years.  people who go north do so for a reason, and sometimes it's because they don't want to be held accountable (or don't want general societal standards to apply to them). 

i know she was born and raised in alaska, but that's the mentality she's grown up with.

and clair - yep.  go turn yourself in right now, you evildoer.

Claire! I feel so dirty knowing that I have been here chatting around all this time with a serial killer groupie

On the Ayers issue:

1) Wasn't he active with the Weather Underground during Vietnam? And wouldn't that have made Obama a child during that time?

2) Also, I gather that Ayers has become a quasi-respectable citizen these days and given that he and Obama served on a committee for a non-profit organization, I'd say any attacks on Obama for his association with Ayers are just plain silly.

On the Sarah Palin issue:

1) There are a couple of EXTREMELY conservative people at my job whom I regularly discuss politics with. Both of them are planning on voting for Obama this election. They are quite literally afraid of what would happen if the Republicans won and, heaven forbid, something happened to McCain leaving Palin as President.

2) I've heard a lot of arguments that "well, she's just like normal people so she'll fight for normal issues" or "she's just the average mom who happened to go into politics".. Which is great if you want to be Governor of Alaska I guess.

But given that current state of our country and the downward spiral the global economy is in, I've got to say that I don't want an ordinary person in the White House. I am NOT comfortable with someone of the same intelligence level as me being the person making decisions. I want someone extraordinary. The leaders of our country should be the best and brightest. Calm, cool, and collected even in the more dire situations.

It seems pretty clear to me that McCain/Palin simply don't fit that description:  from the most recent strategy for the campaign, to his conduct during debates, and his failure to call out the people who are yelling innappropriate things such as  "kill him" and "treason" and "terrorist" at rallies. The possibility of them winning is just plain scary.

On the Ayers issue, Polififact has deemed the latest ad from McCain to be Pants on Fire, giving McCain 7 pants of fire rulings. Obama only has 1.

Original Post by margaretr:

Please don't bring politics to this site - there are other places to express these thoughts.  But if you insist, I can mention Bill Ayers or Acorn.

  Read the below articles below because both Bill Ayers and Acorn that you're so helpful to mention are smears. There are more sources also everywhere if you just look. These were just the quickest to direct you to so seriously... Please, don't bring smear tactics to this site without sources.

I honestly hope you continue to talk with everyone on this thread about politics. The people here can be quite helpful in this area. The greatest thing about this site is the moderators are so good about telling people to use sources. If you continue to converse with people you may realize that you've been mislead altering your whole view. Some people are too scared of that to have a disccusion with the use of sources in politics.

 Barack Obama Never Organized with ACORN

…BARACK WAS PRAISED FOR COMPLETING PROJECT VOTE; ACORN WAS NOT INVOLVED Obama’s Voter Registration Drive … .” [Chicago Sun-Times, 8/11/92] BARACK REPRESENTED ACORN IN A VOTER RIGHTS CASE AS AN ATTORNEY Obama And … Other Attorneys Represented ACORN In Their Suit Against The State Of Illinois To … the U.S. Court Of Appeals, 7th Circuit docket for ACORN v. Edgar, “Appellees, United States and others, … to voter registration as well. [AP, 2/20/07; ACORN, et al v. Edgar, Nos. 95-1800, 95-1801, 95-1802, … Read this Article




The Truth about Barack Obama and William Ayers



Smear groups and now a desperate McCain campaign are trying to connect Barack to William Ayers using age-old guilt by association techniques. Here’s the truth: the smear associating Barack to Ayers is “phony,” “tenuous,” – even “exaggerated at best if not outright false.”

William Ayers is a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, with whom Barack served on the board of an education-reform organization in the mid-1990’s. According to the Associated Press, they are not close: “No evidence shows they were “pals” or even close when they worked on community boards years ago …”

Smear groups and the McCain campaign are trying to connect Obama to acts Ayers committed 40 years ago – when Barack was just eight years old. Here’s what the New York Times reported on the connection:

But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.”

Barack has publicly denounced Ayers’ radical actions from the 1960’s:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

Original Post by rudegirlsdontcry:

2) I've heard a lot of arguments that "well, she's just like normal people so she'll fight for normal issues" or "she's just the average mom who happened to go into politics".. Which is great if you want to be Governor of Alaska I guess.

People who say something so obnoxiously stupid need to have their right to vote taken away. In fact, if someone actually said that to me I can't guarantee I wouldn't cut off their voting fingers.

Original Post by rudegirlsdontcry:

On the Ayers issue:

1) Wasn't he active with the Weather Underground during Vietnam? And wouldn't that have made Obama a child during that time? Obama was 7 or 8 at the time.

2) Also, I gather that Ayers has become a quasi-respectable citizen these days He was actually awarded 'Person of the Year' in Chicagoa a couple years ago and given that he and Obama served on a committee for a non-profit organization a non-profit organization that had nothing to do with any of Ayers' 'radical' views, I'd say any attacks on Obama for his association with Ayers are just plain silly.

If Obama's judgement is called into question because he sat on the board of a charity with someone who did bad things 40 years ago, then what does it say about McCain's judgement that he regularly associated with criminals, unrepentant racists, sexual deviants and womanizers over the last 20 or 30 years. 

Finding #1 of the report is that Sarah Palin violated Alaska law.  So what happens?  She is the head of the executive branch---she directs the enforcement resources of the state.  She would have to direct the attorney general to prosecute herself, which is clearly a conflict of interest that would obstruct justice.

The remedy for this scenario is impeachment.   The Alaska legislature now should consider articles of impeachment.  Gosh, you'd think that would make the news, or the political shows, wouldn't you?  So how is this handled by "Meet the Press?"  A full 45 minutes into the program, Brokaw asks Paul Gigot (the most GOP-leaning pundit present), "Is this just a speed bump?"  No followup, no commentary from any other point of view.

Suppose Biden had committed an impeachable offense--would Brokaw toss off a "speed bump" comment to James Carville at the end of the program and move on? Ha.

So will the Republican controlled Alaskan legislature enforce Alaska law, or simply declare that they don't care?

They're not going to do anything until after the election. What's really troubling about the whole matter to me is the timeline. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/11/palin. investigation/index.html?iref=newssearch

If Palin had nothing to hide, then why did the McCain campaign help stonewall the investigation by helping witnesses resist subpoenas?

Original Post by pgeorgian:

Original Post by michellerc:

  Dang it, I just ordered my Sarah Palin T-shirt!

don't cancel that order, michelle - it'll be a collector's item in about three weeks!

 from your keyboard to the electorate's ear :D

Original Post by spirochete:

Original Post by rudegirlsdontcry:

2) I've heard a lot of arguments that "well, she's just like normal people so she'll fight for normal issues" or "she's just the average mom who happened to go into politics".. Which is great if you want to be Governor of Alaska I guess.

People who say something so obnoxiously stupid need to have their right to vote taken away. In fact, if someone actually said that to me I can't guarantee I wouldn't cut off their voting fingers.

 Ha! Spiro!

Hello, I'll be piloting your flight to Los Angeles today.  I don't really have any experience as a pilot, but I'm a quick learner, and gosh-darn it, I'm just like you, so you can count on me to protect your interests!

Original Post by jfk61:

Hello, I'll be piloting your flight to Los Angeles today.  I don't really have any experience as a pilot, but I'm a quick learner, and gosh-darn it, I'm just like you, so you can count on me to protect your interests!

 I may not fly the plane like you, the NTSB, or the FAA would like me to, but I've been in planes, and I've seen them going over Wasila....

Original Post by santonacci:

Original Post by jfk61:

Hello, I'll be piloting your flight to Los Angeles today.  I don't really have any experience as a pilot, but I'm a quick learner, and gosh-darn it, I'm just like you, so you can count on me to protect your interests!

 I may not fly the plane like you, the NTSB, or the FAA would like me to, but I've been in planes, and I've seen them going over Wasila....

 *winks*

I will give Palin props for being cute at her age - am thinking of getting the Palin look for myself...which should help deflate the affections of all those hot-blooded republicans I know (hee hee)

Original Post by kathygator:

I will give Palin props for being cute at her age - am thinking of getting the Palin look for myself...which should help deflate the affections of all those hot-blooded republicans I know (hee hee)

Suspecting brunettes will be pinning there hair up, buying dollar store reading glasses and sporting 'hot librarian' look in droves this halloween.