Did anyone see McCain on the view today???
Wow! I am so freaked out that he and Palin could potentially run this country! They were talking about getting rid of Roe v. Wade. We're supposed to be going forward in this country, not back! If you are a McCain supporter than feel free to complain about my post but it is my opinion that women should have the right to choose and that just because they believe in pro life, they should not be able to take that choice away from an individual.
Dennis Miller:"And by the way, my belief is that if men were the ones getting pregnant, abortions would be easier to get than food poisoning in Moscow."
And just so we are clear, I am not complaining about people who are pro life, I am complaining about the people who think that a woman should not have the right to choose because of their beliefs. A woman's body is her own and she should have the choice to do with it what she wants. But feel free to rant;)
I didn't see it, but the image of John the-crypt-keeper McCain making any decisions regarding my vajayjay is horrifying.
Completely in agreement with you, Christine. The political situation right now is very scary, in my opinion. Look forward to some other responses here.
*editing to clarify who I was agreeing with
Just so you know...this issue has already been beat to death in some of the other recent threads. But if you feel like you need to beat it some more...
yeah peaches!
I guess what you guys don't see is that most people who are pro-life aren't that way because they think women shouldn't be able to choose what to do with their bodies, to people who are pro-life, having an abortion is the same as a murder.
So to say its your choice to have an abortion, is equivalent to me saying I should have the right to choose to murder my son (hypothetically since I have no kids), since he is my son.
It doesn't have anything to do with doing anything to your body or taking away your choice, to them it is murder plain and simple. The reason you don't agree with them and think its them putting you down and taking away your choice is because you don't see it as murder, but to them its just the same as any law out there making murder illegal, which I guess is taking away someones right to choose to murder someone.
Anyways I am not meaning to argue, but this has been on here a lot recently and thought I would add another side to it since everyone seems to paint pro-life people as anti-choice, which they're not, they're anti-murder if anything.
or perhaps go down to the crappy end of town and take care of some the frickin' born for a change
I'm pro-life, Lorik. I read alot too. Sorry to dissappoint.
Sorry, but I don't have the time to read everything on this site. But I am a firm believer in pro-choice. I don't understand how you can equate the murder of your child with an abortion. Anyways, I won't post anything anymore if the pre-requisite is you have to read all previous posts first. I find pro-life people often get so tangled up in their own arguments. I don't mean to generalize, but all the discussions I have had, have been like that. I'm not saying everyone should believe my views, but I don't see a problem in just letting women have a choice.
personally, i don't think i could ever get an abortion, but that is my decision, and not one i'd ever feel i had the right to make for anyone else. so because of that, i am very much pro-choice.
and until McCain sprouts a uterus, i'd prefer him shutting his freakin pie hole about it.
Jules, I understand that. When I get into discussions with pro-lifers, it has always turned into an "I'm right (pro-life) and you're wrong" kinda thing. I don't think that a woman's choice should be taken away, especially considering cases like rape and/or incest. I am not saying I am right in my views, but have difficulty understanding SOME pro-lifers' arguments. And I don't try to push my opinion on others, which I have been confronted with too much. I just believe the option should be there, and that McCain should be focusing on other topics.
Basically...its all about the development of a fetus. Before a certain point they are arent a "person", but more a bundle of cells (no matter what you "feel", this is science fact... their brain is not developed and they are just a bundle of cells....think of it like a finger).
Problem comes when people start using the bible and a dreamy idea of a "spirit" to claim that it really is a "creation of god" or whatever other weak arguments (and to those people, they really need to stop reading the bible and pick up something else for once).
That they are "potential" life has nothing to do with anything. Whenever you have a period, you are killing "potential life" also. What "could be" isnt what is... think of it like a lump of clay. Throwing it away isnt an issue because its nothing at that point...even though it has potential to be more (while throwing it away after it has been carefully crafted into a masterpiece is more of an issue).
So...its pretty clear cut. Comes from understanding of how we define a person (primarily the brain). If your brain isnt there, you arent there (even if there are machines keeping your organs running). I dont really think people could argue that (unless, again, they want to start bringing fantasy into things...).
Well, Lori. I have my beliefs and you have yours. I'm not interested in debating this any longer. I did that on the other threads. I simply made my statement, which is that someone can be pro-life and be educated and, yes, also have read all the science books that you consider the "right" reading material. I'm sorry that you can't accept that I might have a different opinion from yours. Everyone else who's posted so far seems to understand that. Now I'm outta here.
Peace, all!
peaches: Just because this topic may have been beat to death on other posts doesn't mean that people can't post their opinions here. You have a CHOICE to not look at this post. So if you're sick of reading about this topic then don't read it.
And, like I said before I am pro choice but I would never have an abortion. That is my choice. Again (to clarify) my issue is with the people who think they should have control over the decisions that I make. I don't understand why they are so concerned with protecting the rights of a fetus when there are so many more things that they could be worrying about (like the thousands of children who HAVE been born and are starving, have no health insurance and are abused).
I thought the OP was about McCain's appearance on The View. They talked about so many things. I thought the questions about the two absolutely false ads was interesting. He just could not admit they were out and out lies. It's the old Karl Rove method - repeat a lie often enough that it starts to sound like the truth.
I absolutely can't believe he really thinks Palin would be a good VP. Charlie Gibson has started the process of chewing her up and the DC establishment will finish the job and spit her out. He's using her to cause a sensation and divert attention from the issues.
Since the idea that abortion is wrong stems from religious beliefs as to when something is "alive" or when it has a "soul", it seems right to me that all people who believe this should not be allowed to have abortions.
Conversely, if someone does not share this same belief or believes that that point of being alive or having a soul is different, then it makes sense that it is not wrong for them, and they should be allowed to choose what they can do and when they can do it.
If the first set is right, then the second set will surely go to hell if they chose to have an abortion. If the second set is right, then no one will go to hell (based on this one point).
Why is it the first group's problem what the second group does?
Another somewhat related question that I've always had: why are there so many 'religous' people with the belief that sex outside of marriage is a sin (like abortion) but then end up with a child... outside of marriage? (Hello, Sarah Palin's single, pregnant daughter!!) Personally, I don't care when you have sex, but why the blind eye to one sin and the hard-core fight against the other?
Another thing I find odd: the Right is pro-gun, anti-abortion (i.e. pro-killing animals, against killing babies/bunches of cells). The Left is anti-gun, pro-choice (i.e. anti-protect yourself and sport hunt, pro-killing bunches of cells/babies). Either way, the combination of beliefs never seem to fit, IMO.
Obviously, I haven't been reading all the other threads that have been dealing with this.
Oh no, i accept you have an opinion different then mine...and as long as it doesnt interfere with my life, you are welcome to it! If you wanted to fill your house with ants and worship them for their mighty sugar-loving abilities...that would be great too!
I might debate it...and think you are wrong... but when it comes down to your life, its not my place to tell you what you can do it (again, unless it interferes with mine or others).
Thats the big difference with McCain and the right... when they feel they are correct on something...they arent happy until everyone follows them. They feel gay marriage is wrong? OK! no one can do it! .... They feel drinking is bad? Ok! Everyone shouldnt do it!!
Its too bad the bible has the "convert everyone to follow what we think because non-believers are evil and you are doing good by teaching them the path of god!!" part in it....
You are absolutely right, Christine.
And Claire, you have an excellent point. I haven't been able to see a video of his appearance and am interested to hear about what other issues besides abortion were discussed.
thanks peaches! I just thought it would be an interesting topic and wanted to hear what others thought who saw the episode:)
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