Posts by angel97202

I'm doing non-traditional this year. We are having a vegan Italian feast! Personally I love Tofurky but nobody else that will be here likes it.

Zucchini Fritters (appetaizer)

Vegan Cesar salad (store bought Cesar)

Tuscan White Bean Soup

Foccacia (I'm buying from the bakery, sooo delicious!)

Eggplant "Parmesan"

Not sure about desert. Chocolate cake, vegan cheesecake or apple cobbler?

I might make some Apricot Oatmeal cookies too.

You know, instead of using your hands you could put it in a plastic bag and knead it. Your vet might be asking you to avoid using a fork because the metal might interact with the medicine. So I would ask if plastic bags are okay, if not maybe a wooden spoon. For the dry skin, raw eggs and fish oil work very well.

As I said before, I make my own cat food per my vets advice and have been doing it for years. They are all healthy and happy with it. If you know what you are doing it can be easy and safe.

Here is what I do-I shop for my meat at a raw pet food specialty store. I shop at a local store, here is their website www.meatforcatsanddogs.com I buy chicken, turkey and pheasant. The birds are ground including bones and organs, minus the breast and feathers. (You have to feed bone or calcium supplements, organs and muscle meat or you will severely deprive your animal resulting in serious problems.) I open the raw frozen packages and divide the meat into 1-2 days worth of food and put them in freezer bags.

In a large bowl I mix the non meat items:

1 can pure pumpkin

a few free range organic egg yolks

some cooked and smashed cranberries and blueberries

Vitamin C powder made especially for animals

A tablespoon of Barley Cat (dried barley juice)

Vitamin E

a few squirts grapefruit seed extract

(sometimes) small amounts of finely chopped or grated veggies that they like if I need to use it. Zucchini, carrot tops, tyme and sweet potato are all good choices. Do not use grapes, onions, raw salmon, non-whole grains or any sugar. Never feed cooked bone.

I add a little of the non-meat mix to the meat baggies and freeze. Any left overs are frozen in covered ice cube trays (for portion sizing) for later use.

When it its time to feed everything is ready to go. Just thaw and knead one of the baggies and add some loose pet vitamins and a couple capsules of fish oil to each bowl.

We buy the meat and do all the separating and mixing every 1-2 months which takes about 1 hour. Feeding time takes less than 5 minutes. I try to feed them something different each time.  Occasionally I will feed a pre-made raw food of venison (natures Variety brand) or quality canned food made of beef or New Zealand Brush Tail for convenience and variety. My friend feeds only Nature's Variety Beef (brand) to her dog due to his allergies and he is doing very well on it. There is another brand called Primal which is organic. Pre-made raw foods are wonderful but very expensive.

The cost is very low for the method I use. For 2lbs of turkey or chicken I pay about $2-3. Pheasant is about $8 per 2 lbs. All of the turkey and chicken are free range and antibiotic free. The pheasant is wild caught (so it is seasonal). In all the supplements cost about $20 each year. The fish oil, fruits, veggies and eggs are all very inexpensive as well.

I know this post is long but wrote it hoping that you could take something out of it for your own use or that or might help somebody else. It is a very easy way to feed once you get your system going. Most importantly, I think it is best for their health as per my vet and from personal experience. You don't have to worry about tainted food ingredients like ie; the Menu foods fiasco. And it is probably the most "humane" meat based petfood you can buy. I would eventually like to find a more environmentally friendly way to store the frozen food though but we are very limited in space in a small apartment. I think a deep freezer and glass freezing jars are the best way if you have the means.

Original Post by mjjrules:

Does anyone know any good low calorie vegetarian egg substitute? I'm not vegan, but I don't eat eggs.

Egg substitute (like egg beaters) actually contain eggs. So I would recommend an egg replacer like Ener-G brand. It works best in scratch baking recipes but can be a little riskier in mixes. You cannot make an omelet with it though but you can scramble tofu instead of eggs. I like using 1/2 banana too but it will flavor your recipe. Banana is great for replacing eggs in cakes, muffins, brownies, pancakes, anything sweet. There is a good egg free chocolate chip recipe on silkissoy.com too.

Anyways, what you use really just depends on what you are making. Let us know how it goes!

Original Post by silentdeadlyrose:

Oh my god! That is so nasty...I'm not completely vegitarian, but ugh..that's enough to make anyone one! Who would actually eat that crap?!

Yes! My dad's wife LOVES brains...

Original Post by fairydust125:

I eat seafood-fish, lobster, mussels, crabs mmm i love it! I just dont eat mammals or chicken and regardless of what ppl say i still call myself a vegetarian. Not to be 'fashionable'....i didnt even know ppl considered it to be fashionable or anything. W.e. most ppl around me don't care or even know the true meaning of a veg. btw i have fish like once a month, not that much.

Most people around you don't know the true meaning of a veg because you mis-lead them.

Original Post by fairydust125:

Original Post by angel97202:

Original Post by fairydust125:

So besides egg whites, and tuna i don't know what else i can eat that has very little to no carbs. I almost always eat more carbs than enough protein or fat, i need more protein! Can anyone tell me what else i can eat that pure protein? I do eat fish, any seafood but it takes long to prepare and i dont have any here right now

Do you even know how much protein you eat?

I don't understand why you are asking vegetarians for advice on protein if you are mainly interested in animal protein.

BTW you are supposed to eat more carbs than protein. It is the base of the food pyramid.

I'm not mainly interested in animal protein. I need any kind of protein that is not animal protein. I try to eat 50% carbs, 25% protein and 25% fat a day, i KNOW you need more carbs than protein but i end up eating about 60% or more in carbs and i cannot have THAT much. I am a vegetarian, i just eat seafood still, so w.e. im a pescatarian then or w.e. you ppl call it.

Fish is not vegetarian, you are not a vegetarian. Many of us have given you suggestions on vegetarian sources but you haven't really responded to us. Then you go on to trying mussels and posting about it here, in the vegetarian group. I just don't get it. Can't you post about fish in one of the many meat groups?

I'm not saying you are a bad person for eating fish. I just want you to know it's not vegetarian. It confuses others about what we will eat. A lot of people will just assume that I eat fish because someone like you does. This leads to  friends, family and restaurants serving me fish and it makes the situation  uncomfortable for all involved. Especially when somebody goes out of the way to prepare a special fish dish for me and then I have to turn it down. It really leads to hurt feelings.

Keeping your saturated fat intake down is very important. The daily maximum for someone on a 2,000 calorie diet is 20 grams. I would be more concerned about that than getting 25% fat or protein daily. Eating too much protein can cause health problems too. If you are getting 35-50 grams of protein a day, you are eating enough. If you live in the USA you are probably consuming too much.

Original Post by gi-jane:

"We choose not to so most of us do not consider it limiting"

I think you're confusing 'limiting' with 'limited' as in ... having limits/boundaries, working within certain parameters, the acceptable vs the unacceptable... self-imposed rules but rules nonetheless. To paraphrase Henry Ford... free to have any colour car you wanted as long as it was black.

Henry Ford is not telling us what to eat, nobody is. It is a choice we make because we think it it the right choice. I am really offended that you come in here and preach your pro-meat agenda. Take it somewhere else please-per the forum rules. We shouldn't have to deal with this.

Original Post by fairydust125:

So besides egg whites, and tuna i don't know what else i can eat that has very little to no carbs. I almost always eat more carbs than enough protein or fat, i need more protein! Can anyone tell me what else i can eat that pure protein? I do eat fish, any seafood but it takes long to prepare and i dont have any here right now

Do you even know how much protein you eat?

I don't understand why you are asking vegetarians for advice on protein if you are mainly interested in animal protein.

BTW you are supposed to eat more carbs than protein. It is the base of the food pyramid.

Original Post by gi-jane:

That's a great menu and of course a vegan diet can be very varied in scope.... But there are limitations, of course there are. Something as simple as going to a typical restaurant, looking down the menu and finding there are only one or two suitable choices.... that's a limitation. Or cruising the average supermarket where only 2/3 of the aisles contain acceptable foods. A lot of the posts on this board accentuate the limitations.... 'am I allowed to eat xyz?', 'is xyz food vegan?', 'how I miss eating xyz', 'how do I explain I don't eat xyz?' The emphasis being on what they can't eat, rather than (unlike yourself) the abundance of what they can. Whereas the omnivore, by definition, has no limitations beyond personal taste, imagination and budget. 'Am I allowed to eat this...?' isn't a question you hear often unless the omnivore in question belongs to a particular religion or has some kind of medical problem. They could eat everything you describe on that excellent list...... and some of us do.... plus.

We are all omnivores, which means we have a choice. We can eat meat if we wanted to. We choose not to so most of us do not consider it limiting. It is actually liberating for us and the animals.

Original Post by gpat919:

I read so many people in here who have unsupportive families. And the person is seeking advice on how to explain to their familys why we eat the way we choose.

I get tired of all the ribbing I get at work, and I don't know why I bother trying to explain to them. They don't really care, yet they seem to be on a mission to trip you up.

I need to think of a way to mess with their heads.

Why don't you just tell people you really don't discuss this topic in the work place? If they are really curious about going veg themselves or have real questions maybe you could offer your home email address or something. Or just tell them where to get free info like at calorie-count.com:) or vegweb.com

Most people at my work know I am vegan because they always want to know what I am eating because it usually looks better than their crappy TV dinners. I work in a professional environment so I really don't get the kind of comments that you are dealing with.

In the past in less than professional jobs I have had I usually reply with something like:

"I don't discuss politics at work"

"I refuse to discuss this while you are eating"

"Are we playing the SHOCK the vegetarian game again? Trust me I have already heard it all. You cannot offend me. I know PETA-People for the Eating of Tasty Animals jokes and all that"

But if people have honest non-offensive questions I am more than happy to discuss it as long as I can do it without making them feel defensive or offended. I don't like to come off as judgmental.

With friends and family I am much more open and candid but I still will not talk about it over a meal or special events like holidays.

Original Post by neugin:

Lots of nuts, can on the table by TV, in salads, or as the "breading" for a fired chicken tender- crush pecans - roll chicken in egg white and coat with pecans- all protiens - so good.

Also- publix has low fat NO SUGAR pnut butter- and if you look at all th diabetic foods you will find a lot.

Lastly- Myoplex- Choc Fudge drink from SAms has 42 g protien and 300 cal- awesome breakfest or lunch and it is like getting choc milk- so good.

Leeneugin@cox.net

You are in a vegetarian thread and most of us are watching out weight. So I am not sure why you are advising us to eat a lot of nuts and chicken, especially fried chicken. Chicken is not a food in this forum, it is an animal.

I have been a vegetarian for almost 14 years and almost the entire time I avoided eggs and products with eggs because of the immense amount of cruelty involved in the treatment of the chickens. Free range may be a little better but they are not cruelty free in any way. Of those 14 years I have only been vegan for 2 years. I have always a maintained veg*n diet for ethical and political reasons. For me, health and preservation of the environment are added benefits.

I do not consider eggs meat. If I had a pet chicken or duck that I rescued I would probably eat their eggs.

Vegetarians only need about 35 grams of protein a day.

Don't eat white bread & pasta etc. Stick to only whole grains. Buckwheat pasta is great, I make spaghetti with it. (You can usually find it in the asian section). Throw some edamame in there and you have a high protein balanced meal.

Some processed soy products are almost completely protein. Like veggie dogs-they are usually 50-100 calories and almost 100% protein. Try those with some vegetarian baked beans.