Posts by ching12

I absolutley see it and Ive lived in many areas across the US. I think people misinterpret Obesity. You dont have to be considered 300 pounds to be obese.

muscles are attached to the bone with tendons while ligaments are bone to bone

good for her

Original Post by trustwomen:

Ching, treatment guidelines for physicians do NOT recommend giving hormones to men whose levels are above 200 ng/dl, or 6.9 nmol/l, which is a VERY low level that reflects true testicular problems and not normal aging. The prostate cancer trials were only 6 months - long term effects are not known and it makes sense that extra testosterone could cause problems - an effective chemotherapy for prostate cancer is a medication to block testosterone production!

All of your links are broken, but you probably know that.

In any controversial medical topic there will be studies on both sides. The consensus among medical professionals, however, is to NOT give hormones to men unless their levels are really, really low - and even then, to recommend diet and exercise first, as this can help resolve some of the symptoms (muscle loss, decreased sexual function) without taking medication.

Remember what happened with the female HRT "panacea" - that didn't end so well. Aging is not a disease, and past a certain age, a person's body does change, and that should not be considered pathological.

But at 52, this is not even the situation of the OP's husband, and indeed the vast majority of men with ED do NOT have hormone insufficiency: they just have an unhealthy lifestyle, chronic disease such as diabetes, or take medications with side effects. And that is among those for whom the condition is actually physical and not psychological - the latter actually comprise a fair proportion of men with ED.

I am not writing this to convince you, Ching, but instead to ensure that no one else reading this will give credence to this dangerous fad and potentially risk their health. Those who have been on CC for some time know that I strive for accuracy in my science, as it is a responsibility of my impending profession (I graduate from medical school next spring). Please consult a physician instead of buying hormone replacement medications over the counter (or essentially over the counter, i.e. given by someone who is not a doctor). Although DHEA is available without a prescription in the US, other developed countries have BANNED it (including Canada) in the absence of evidence about its safety. But there are big bucks to be made in pathologizing normal aging in American men.

 is this a joke??? i mean seriously. YOu went to medical school...With all due respect i know more about the endocrine system and its function than most docotrs i have come into contact with.

I began researching, it was due to family medical reasons that i felt like the doctor was not giving proper treatment to my father. IT led me to a never ending process of searching for answers. I have interviewed, spoken with, written to some of the top doctors, endos, and many other researchers in the field. NONE of what you said holds any water and is a true shame to the medical community that there are poeple in their own field who are so misquided. I am not telling the OP that he needs HRT, however if all other sources are exhausted, than he/she should discuss with thier physician. IT is absolutely safe and there has not been ONE case of appropriate TRT harm any man in the many years of HRT existence. That is a fact!!

ALso to only treat men who are below 200 ng/dl should be a crime!! that is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard and it is unfortuante that there are doctors who abide by that rule. IF you kenw anything about hormones you would know that as age increases the receptors at which testosterone binds to can become non functionale, thus if anything an older adult male should strive for a normal to high amount of test. 

As much as testosterone is important estradiol or E2 is critical as well. ANd as men age T (testosterone) coverts to E2 through aromitase at a faster rate. E2 is a powerful testosterone receptor antagonist. What this means is that estradiol binds to androgen receptors and renders them useless. When testosterone binds to an androgen receptor, it activates the receptor and you get the effect you're looking for. When estradiol binds to that receptor, it blocks testosterone from binding, yet it does not active the receptor, so nothing happens.

This means that if your estradiol is high, no matter how much testosterone you have, it isn't helping you as it should because too many of your androgen receptors are blocked by estradiol and your free testosterone has no where to go. Testosterone can't do you any good if it doesn't have receptors available to activate.

It can even get worse... because high levels of estradiol can cause the downregulation of androgen receptors. This means that the body may respond to higher levels of estradiol by creating fewer androgen receptors as cells are replaced in normal regeneration. In other words, not only does estradiol block the available androgen receptors, it causes your body to produce fewer of them in the future! This is one reason why raising testosterone levels may not have any immediate effect. It may be that the receptors have downregulated and so you'll need to lower estradiol and increase testosterone in order to get your body to upregulate again and this takes time.

The fact is many men suffer from symptoms:

Fatigue
Loss of muscle mass
Fat gain
Poor recovery
Irritability
Depression
Decreased memory
Lack of libido
Erectile Dysfunction

However a significant number of those included in "normal " range can actually be sick with hypogonadism, so they are forced to go through life with no ambition, drive, motivation, fatigue...etc. There is nothing wrong with getting treated and being on the higher side.

Im also sure that you have prescribed medication MUCH worse than even the worst TRT protocol could ever produce.

This is not an agree/disagree topic this is FACT!

ANd sorry i cant figure out why the links are broken

 ANd please save me by NOT writing another ignorant post

and the British agree as well.......

"The men with lower testosterone levels had an increased risk of dying from any cause, but most particularly of cardiovascular disease," Khaw tells WebMD. "We looked at cancer, too, and found no evidence of a link to cancer with higher testosterone levels."

Nearly 12,000 men enrolled in the long-term study from 1993 to 1997. More than 800 of the men died by 2003; Khaw compared these men's testosterone levels to those of some 1,500 living study participants.

After adjusting for factors that might affect risk of death -- including age, weight, smoking, alcohol use, high blood pressure, diabetes, physical activity, education, and social class -- the link between low testosterone and earlier death remained.

Compared to men with the lowest quartile (25%) of testosterone levels:

Men in the second lowest quartile were 25% less likely to die.
Men in the second highest quartile were 38% less likely to die.
Men in the highest quartile were 41% less likely to die."

http://men.webmd.com/...one-early-death

http://circ.ahajournals.org/...int/116/23/269 4

 I have many more sources if need be....let me know and ill post away

Actually the contrary is true, regarding age decreases in testosterone. Media does  not create too much in the area as test therapy is looked down upon anyway. Doctor's are finding more and more that sex hormones are declining quite often at younger ages these days. Now I am not saying that is his case, however once he fixes the smaller things in his life and his libido is still suffereing then HRT would be the next step.

Original Post by crazydiamondchrysalis:

I believe the pharmaceutical industry makes treatments, not cures, to some extent on purpose to keep us addicted for life to keep the money rolling in.

this comes from 6 years of antidepressants and the ensuing "discontinuation syndrome" (i.e., withdrawal).

the WD mimics the depression relapse. When I finally found enough people to convince me it existed, I quit the drugs once and for all. The wd lasted 3 months, and after - lo and behold - the depression is more of a dysthymia. I'm still not right, but not suicidal and can get out of bed.

FVCK you, pfizer & company. Fvck you very much for 6 wasted years. (and I also believe this is why I can't get PG now, even though they all say they are safe and no permanent damage)

 The pharm companies are the biggest scammers in the world! as is almost everything health related and the government backs it up. its really a shame. I could write for years about all the crap behind the scenes of these companies, its disgusting. People are being treated horribly and im glad to hear that you have  done your research and are doing better  now. Just about every major health association is completely fraudulant and a complete joke. whoa im gettin heated lol

nop, the more fit the more you sweat.

if it can run, swim, fly, or grow in the ground i eat it....

Original Post by mogochud:

Original Post by ching12:

how would not eating help??

It's not that she should not eat, but that she should try eating less before a workout. Working out on a full stomach makes lots of people feel nauseous or otherwise not great. IE: Before I go for a run I'll usually only eat half a banana or an orange. Breakfast comes after I've come home and stretched.

 while each person reacts differently, I would not suggest someone to eat less, but i would suggest the individual eat smarter....

Original Post by rjsamp:

Don't eat BEFORE working out.....

Every day is fine for elliptical training.... in general the first half mile of a run or walk hurts...then you get into the 'zone' and your mind wanders and your body flows and you just cover mileage.... a little warmup stretching before and after each workout is a good idea (the more intense the workout the more warmup and cool down time is REQUIRED).

this may be a nutritional/hormonal issue.....lack of iron in the blood, no fat in your diet (low fat, not no fat), vitamin D deficiency...take a multivitamin once a day

how would not eating help??

i doubt it has anything to do with overtraining, but more likely nutritional and/or hormonal issues

estradiol has negative effects as well, as it also binds to the androgen receptors which in turn blocks testosterone from binding to it. There are no birth-control pills that i know of that do not have negative effects when it comes to weight-loss and muscle gain, which is unfortuante for the many who use them

i wouldnt be too upset seeing as how fat floats and muscle sinks.....

merrymouse

Everything about lactic acid is false in what you stated. This is not meant in a bad way, just want to make sure people dont spread misconceptions