Posts by stormywillow

kay,

as an artist as well as a model, i found it most interesting to look at the students' artwork.....

i thought it was cute when they apologized for "insulting" me with drawings they felt were quite bad and not "true-to-life"

i always made a point of putting them at ease about that.

and i would not be true to my point of view stated elsewhere here, if i did not mention that i also was quite interested in how the students did in rendering the male genitals...from a psychological perspective that was quite interesting and revealing and gave me lots to ponder.

and finally, i made a point of checking to see where the talent was: those students were presented with the more interesting "pose points-of-view"in subsequent poses and sessions

to be politically correct.....

hi claire,

there is very little i can add to the stuff i have already posted in this conversation, except to say that much, if not all of it, is based on  a whole range of first-hand experiences, observations, and of course the inevitable conclusions and always questions, like, the young fellow who was ticked off because he was asked to enter the room from another doorway because the usual one opened to the outside, letting in plenty of cold air (winter here in alberta!!) : was this evidence of his disdain for models, or was he by nature (and nurture) a self-absorbed individual?

as much as we might dislike others drawing general conclusions, there come moments we must do so....statistics 101.

the medical profession treats and cures a whole bunch of ailments based on statistical experiences.

for more in-depth insight in the trials and tribulations, may i respectfully suggest you read my blog.

hi,

and that's of course as it should be.......but, again, i seem to be running into women (and not all of them "young") who are, r at least ,seem to be quite selfconscious about their bodies. then again, it may well be an excuse to say "no" as well.....all i know that the whole experience has been an immensely interesting one one, one i am so grateful i have had as one of quite a few "careers" over a life time.

hey, critter, again i am just hypothesizing, but i have come to the conclsion that there are those among the fundamentalist faiths who are "sinners" and feel compelled to "repent"

a few years back, i conceived of an art project in which i sollicited "previously owned and worn underwear"

they had to be clean and washed.; i also asked for erotic anecdotes and something about the owners.

the idea was to span a major river with a clothesline with....

well, i did get about 500 of them, not nearly enough to make the art statement....but.....i do live in a small town of 2000 and i received one hateletter and one hate phonecall...that's all i did not get my tires slashed, my windows smashed, or my dog poisoned......yet this is a small town nestled in the buckle of the bible belt.....i have come to believe people generally are far more tolerant than they are being given credit for.

besides, here, where my wife is a schoolbus driver, everyone knows that i am a naked model.....they may look upon us as rather odd, but  hey........

that's a riot: looking for calories in bananas and ending up in this conversation,cool.

take care you two, enjoy the weekend

edo

coffincritter:

yeah, when in conversation about this whole issue, when i ask if any of my  female friends would be interested in modeling, there is always this answer:" me, with this body???!!!"

i know it's not about who is the skinniest, but somehow we do not seem to be able to attract on a large scale, the  " people with all kinds of body types"

so what is the message these people are giving us?

in order to be a model , one must be skinny???

and isn't "skinny" then not their interpretation of desirability? and where does that notion come from?

i live it you finally give some indication where you live.....so, nyc, after london (england)the most artsy city on the planet.......in all the museums and galleries, how many paintings have you come across picturing obese women?

i use the term obese, as the model you referred to in  your post would, in my mind, fit that category.

no, no, i am not referring to rubens' paintings.....here in the bible-belt hinterland, i have not been able to find any, but, perhaps more significantly, i have in all my years as a model , only come across two voluptuous women models.

and the men?......ah, muscular, macho, young, well-hung.....what's this myth about art models ?

do the young women who are doing this, really believe it is a stepping stone towards the catwalks of milan, paris, rio?

oh, by the way, been to the other side of this site....the drawing/sketching one? i started a poll a few days ago.

hey, it was good to hear from you again,

edo

and another thing:

re: the "paris revolt".....why should you get paid the same as i (a very experienced and creative model?

and.....

there is this very small word in the english language:the

do it for money, but don't do it for the money.

personally, i am glad you decided against it.... i would feel pretty cheap if you and i were getting paid the same.....i think i would demand a tip.

all the best in your studies,

edo

i am not talking about nudity.....i am talking about being naked......you are nude, only when you are by yourswelf and have no clothes on.

you are naked when you have no clothes on and there is someone else who is with you.

of course nudity is not about sex.......omg.

nakedeness is, though.

even when there is a painting of you without clothes on, and you are not even in the room, you are naked, exposed and vulnerable.

i pose to you and whoever is reading these posts, a 20-year old guy in an art class should be left with the impression he is a pervert simply because he finds that the experience has a sexual quality to it.......come on....before you answer tjhis post, take a human sexuality course, like 1o1.

i am a teacher....if you are still uneducated...get yourselves some books, enroll in some courses and get back on this post.... mabe some living will do it too.

fgs,

stop telling young guys, who are getting an eyefull in art class when there is a young selnder, nubile maiden  naked in front of them, to get "their mind out of the gutter"

after all, they grew up on playboy.

coffincritter,

it's called "tongue-in-cheek".........that remark about my remark about the foot shows how uptight you are about this whole thing.....

give it a rest....i believe you when you say that your modeling/drawing the nude did not have the slightest sexual connotation...gee.

and i never said that because i recognize the inherent sexuality in the experence that i make it such for those who have come to the drawing class.

i do not understand why it is so difficult to admit that the act of undressing and the state of being naked have an inherent sexual quality.

actually, the state of being dressed also has that quality: we like to get "all dolled up" (using this expression as a vernacular and not as a sexist condecension), especiallywhen we go out in public.

aren't wearing perfume, jewelry, body piercings  statements of sexuality in the broader sense ?

as a model, i look around the room and guage the mood, the level of expertise the "innocence/vulnerabiliy" of the students ; how generous they are with their patience and understanding and then i will make a (very subjective) judgement call as to the complexity of the poses, their mood, emotion and how receptive they might be to the odd erotically charged pose.

fuuny you should ask; yes rather frequently i have been requested to revisit one of those in  subsequent sessions

but, as i wrote in my most recent post to helen south, the moderator in the drawing/sketching division of this site,"besides eros, there are many other gods i call upon during any three-hour session"

coffincritter,

there are absolutes in this world and there are human, emotional reactions to whatever happens in our world around us.

and, yes, this is a slippery slope, for even stating that there are absolutes, opens me up to criticism .

nevertheless, from studying art history, both in europe and canada, and from my experiencesas a model, i have come to the conclusion that there is inherently a sexual quality to this whole nude modeling thing.

it's that "subjective" absolute you object to, i assume.

what i object to is the perpetuation of the (subjective) myth that there is nothing erotic, or sexual about it.

just as we as human beings experience the same event in different ways, very much contingent upon our previous experiences, the way we were brought up, et. etc,, so i concede that there are individuals who may  find nothing sexual about drawing the naked human form

as well, not all sexualization of that environment is "lustful".........i assume there are individuals among any class of 15 - 20 students who are struggling with memories of being sexually exploited earlier in life and whose drawings may very well reflect that.

as an artist, but mostly as an ardent lifelong student of human behaviour, i am fascinated by how students deal with the naked male.

on occasion i have been asked to model in my underwear, as a concession toa fine arts student's religious objection to being exposed to the naked male.

i have refused....funny thing, i have, ifind underwear "too personal", but i am digressing.

in conclusion, to underscore my point: i assume that among any class of 20 students there must be at least one who views the experience as having a sexual component; thus the absolute here is that naked modeling and rendering the naked human figure inherently has a sexual quality, even though there may be some among those students who do not feel that.

i am not claiming that those who do not feel that are lying....i could not make such a claim, as i could not possibly be privy to anyone's most inner feelings, as neither could you....to claim that there is nothing sexual abut it, is dishonest.

i am participant in the drawing/sketching forum (naked modeling)

i think it is naive and dishonest to separate naked modeling from sexuality....

i's obvious from the significant's others' rezctions that they are clearly uncomfortable with the idea of having others look at his/her naked figure

i am a naked  male model; for my experiences and observations, please refer to my profile