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The Lounge Joe Biden at the Recover Plan Implementation Meeting… Mar 17 2009
10:57 (UTC)
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An hour late! are you bleepin' kidding me?

The Lounge I'm seriously having the week from HELL! Mar 17 2009
06:58 (UTC)
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Dittos on the ice cream.

The Lounge $30,000 Windfall...What to do with it? Mar 15 2009
19:29 (UTC)
Original Post by dakotad555:

Honestly this might sound strange, but you should buy--stock! Right now the market is at an extreme low. Buying 10k in spiders (or an index of the entire stock market) will allow you realize large gains once the market improves in the next 10-18 months. You could get a 20% increase in 18 months.


I'd suggest using it several different ways:


1. Buy 15k in stock

2. Put 10k in a high yield savings account

3. use some to pay off debts, your car, etc...

 I was in this position a few years ago and I agree with this post in large part. 30k would only be a down payment in real estate. Roth IRA contributions are very limited. Stocks are low.   

The Lounge small SUVs and crossovers - opinions? Mar 15 2009
17:53 (UTC)
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The Mazda CX7 would probably be most like your 3 in character of all the available SUVs & crossovers. The Ford Taurus X would have the room, decent fuel mileage and actually has a Volvo derived drivetrain. Most of the midsize SUVs, American or otherwise, get terrible gas mileage.  If you don't haul a huge amount of weight or tow a trailer, you'll probably want to choose a crossover ( car based) over an SUV(truck chassis). Beyond that, collect as much info. as you can, Motortrend, Car & Driver, Road & Track mags all have websites, Autotrader & Cars.com have good research info.   

The Lounge Who says we're bailing out the rich? Mar 15 2009
08:56 (UTC)
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And then we'll have another round of stimulation when they force us all to buy the next vesion of windows.

Fitness Calling all runners... Mar 15 2009
08:52 (UTC)
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I'll go against the grain a little bit here. Intervals are a good way to quickly build speed and endurance. One of the methods Dr Kemmeth H. Cooper incorporates into his programs is a series of 1/2 mile intervals. Starting with 3 reps, he recommends a one-minute rest between intervals. I'm guessing you might start at about a 4:00 min per 1/2 mile and build from there in speed and # of intervals. Dr Cooper includes this within a program of steadily increasing steady-paced runs. The intervals are used probably once per two weeks to start, and more frequently as you progress. Then you'll add shorter faster intervals also (440's). I'm sure Dr. Cooper has info available on the web. Lots of the stuff in places like Runner's World follows his methods pretty closely also.

Yeah, shoes are also hugely important, see if you can find a shop that provides gait analysis.   

The Lounge Is this fair? Mar 15 2009
08:37 (UTC)

Back to the original question.

Yes, definitely unfair. If it applied equally to all segments of the population I could support it. From what I can see here it's just another seperate and unequal bone being tossed out to keep us attacking each other.

The Lounge Joe Biden at the Recover Plan Implementation Meeting… Mar 12 2009
08:26 (UTC)
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He also just noticed that the situation in Afghanistan is deteriorating.

Does that mean it's worse than when his helicopter was forced down in the mountains and he and his party were harrassed by terrorists? 

The Lounge Stem Cell... Mar 12 2009
08:17 (UTC)
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Here's the deal;

If success was garanteed on this issue, these corporations would not be afraid to invest private money.

Because success is not assured, they are only willing to perform this research with handouts from the federal govt. 

The Lounge Oh this is rich... Mar 11 2009
08:25 (UTC)
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With 12 G's to spare I think I would opt for real plants.

The Lounge Satan, Devil, Lucifer..... Mar 11 2009
08:17 (UTC)
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The meaning of the name Satan is "Accuser".

As such, in the first part of the book of Job he was shown as having access to go before God to make accusations against humans.

He makes an appearance early in the book of Genesis as a serpent to persuade Eve to do the one and only thing that God had prohibited.

The next best Old Testament descriptions come from Isiah & Ezekiel

From Isaiah ch. 14;

12"How you have fallen from heaven,
       &nb sp; O star of the morning, son of the dawn!
       &nb sp; You have been cut down to the earth,
       &nb sp; You who have weakened the nations!
    13"But you said in your heart,
       &nb sp; 'I will ascend to heaven;
       &nb sp; I will raise my throne above the stars of God,
       &nb sp; And I will sit on the mount of assembly
       &nb sp; In the recesses of the north.
    14'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
       &nb sp; I will make myself like the Most High.'
    15"Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol,
       &nb sp; To the recesses of the pit.

And from Ezekiel ch 28;

"You had the seal of perfection,
       &nb sp; Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
    13"You were in Eden, the garden of God;
       &nb sp; Every precious stone was your covering:
       &nb sp; The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
       &nb sp; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
       &nb sp; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
       &nb sp; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
       &nb sp; Was in you.
       &nb sp; On the day that you were created
       &nb sp; They were prepared.
    14"You were the anointed cherub who covers,
       &nb sp; And I placed you there
       &nb sp; You were on the holy mountain of God;
       &nb sp; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
    15"You were blameless in your ways
       &nb sp; From the day you were created
       &nb sp; Until unrighteousness was found in you.
    16"By the abundance of your trade
       &nb sp; You were internally filled with violence,
       &nb sp; And you sinned;
       &nb sp; Therefore I have cast you as profane
       &nb sp; From the mountain of God.
       &nb sp; And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub,
       &nb sp; From the midst of the stones of fire.

This passage shows his removal as one of the highest of the Angels to become an adversary of God.

In the new testament Jesus spoke about him numerous times, spoke with him on occasion, and dealt with him at times throughout his ministry on Earth.

I take the words of Jesus and the written accounts of his life and work as authoritative.  The disciples also wrote about Satan and warned us to be aware of his workings.

It is true that we can be evil enough on our own without any further influence, but he can add another dimension to what humans are capable of.

 

 

 

 

The Lounge perfect day - on a budget Mar 10 2009
14:17 (UTC)
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I found an airplane/helicopter/boat tour of the grand canyon, leaves from Las Vegas,  takes 6& 1/2 hrs, leaves enough time & money to enjoy an evening in Vegas. 

The Lounge Joe Biden at the Recover Plan Implementation Meeting… Mar 10 2009
13:15 (UTC)
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Lets not forget, "what's the number for that e-mail site?"

The Lounge whats you're ultimate fantasy day in one sentence? (no magic!) Mar 07 2009
06:52 (UTC)
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Wake up in an overwater bungalow in French Polynesia, pick up a paper and find out the wars are over, my home has increased in value and my retirement fund is increasing, then, after a morning swim in the warm water I'll catch a windjammer to a neighboring island with a find-your-own-pearl farm where I'll find a huge rare black tahitian pearl big enough to finance many more similar days.

The Lounge Obama to Lift Ban on Funding for Embryonic Stem Cell Research Mar 07 2009
06:05 (UTC)
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And, I see a whole new industry developing! A Jonathan Swift scenario in which hospitals pay money for aborted fetuses from which to extract the stem cells.

Fitness Running or cycling? Mar 06 2009
13:26 (UTC)

All of the above. Alternate between both and you can do more total cardio without hurting yourself.

Fitness Runners, I got a sore arch! Mar 06 2009
13:11 (UTC)
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Sounds like you need new shoes.

The Lounge Joe Biden at the Recover Plan Implementation Meeting… Mar 05 2009
09:49 (UTC)
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There's a 30% chance the ball will land outside of the goalposts.

The Lounge Another query for believers Feb 08 2009
18:43 (UTC)
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Original Post by azirra:

Original Post by simwaves1:

Original Post by azirra:

There is also the "telephone" theory: there was a nice guy named Jesus who was crucified by the Romans and whose popularity led to him being placed on a pedestal after he died, his story being so distorted and exaggerated over the generations that it resembles the game "telephone."

There is also the he-never-existed-in-the-first-place theory, supported by the fact that so many elements of the Jesus story are stolen from ancient Egyptian lore. For example, Egyptian sun-god Horus (the bird-headed guy) was born on Dec 25th to a virgin. His birth was accompanied by a star in the east. Upon his birth he was adored by 3 kings. He was baptized at the age of 30. He had 12 disciples who he travelled around with while performing miracles like healing the sick and walking on water. After being betrayed, Horus was crucified, buried for three days, and was resurrected. The ten commandments were also taken directly out of the Egyptian Book of the Dead, etc.

The "telephone" theory is specious. I'm actually surprised at how often it is used. Jesus wasn't popular before he died. That's what led to his crucifixion in the first place. Also, there weren't generations for this information to become inflated. All of the gospels were written within the first century (possibly as early as 37 AD), by people directly linked to Jesus. If any of the information was given falsely, there were lots of people still alive who could refute any of the writtings, but we have no evidence of such refutation. Unlike the game of telephone, scribes who copied the gospel can look back at what they were copying, so errors in copying don't really seem to be an issue either. To add to that, we have thousands of manuscripts of the bible through multiple languages that are all 95% identical. There is no evidence to support the "telephone" theory.

Not many people use the "he-never-existed-in-the-first-place" theory because we have plenty of evidence that says he did. Apart from the gospels there are secular historians who write of Jesus (Josephus is probably the best example of this). I would challenge you to find a respectable historian who denies the existence of Jesus of Nazareth.

Edit: btw, I'm spending a lot of time studying right now, so you'll have to excuse me if I don't reply quickly.

Thanks for the speedy response, what are you studying?

I didnt get the "never existed" theory from any historian, it just seems self-evident after learning about the parallels of Jesus with various other ancient messiah figures. But Ill try to find a few credible sources for you.

I think its self-evident because, from an antropological perpective, people who are occupied/enslaved/conquered by another culture for a long enough period of time will often convert or at least adopt elements of the occupying culture's mythology. Phillipinos are Catholic because the Phillipines were colonized by Catholic Portugal. Morroccans are Muslim because of the Umayyad Caliphate's "crusades" against north africa from Damascus in 600-700 AD. Haitian Voudoo is a hybrid religion which combines gods of many different African religions with Catholic saints - African slaves merged their religion with that of their oppressors.

Is it so hard to believe that a breakaway sect of Judaism - the ones who founded Christianity - inadvertently borrowed from their former occupiers, the Egyptians? It happens all the time. Christianity seems to me like a mix of ancient Jewish traditions & law (a la Leviticus) with ancient Egyptian mythology (a la Jesus story).

Most historians would probably be surprised if the Isrealites hadnt adopted parts of Egyptian mythology.

 And, if this were true, the Cristians would've adopted Roman Religion instead of Rome adopting christianity, a persecuted sect within a vanquished country. 

The Lounge Can Darwinism and Chirstianity co-exist? Feb 08 2009
18:30 (UTC)
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Original Post by gi-jane:

The people who take the Bible 100% literally are a bit of an odd lot in the first place because it's so very contradictory.... (isn't Noah supposed to be 400 years old or something?)....  but if they find peace of mind thinking the Earth is only 6000 years old and the animals were parachuted in by the almighty...Faith relies upon the suspension of disbelief... (which is why I'm an atheist) ...  whereas science has to be grounded in fact, reliably tested and - to be good science - has also to be able to predict the future.

 A little clarification for those who try to quote the bible without knowing it.

32Noah was (H)five hundred years old, and Noah became the father of Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

5Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that (D)every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

 6(E)The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was (F)grieved in His heart.

 7The LORD said, "(G)I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for (H)I am sorry that I have made them."

 11In the (K)six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all (L)the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.

12(M)The rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights.

 4In the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, (F)the ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat.

 11"I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall (J)never again be cut off by the water of the flood, (K)neither shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth."

 12God said, "This is (L)the sign of the covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all successive generations;

 13I set My (M)bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and the earth.

 14"It shall come about, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow will be seen in the cloud,

 15and (N)I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and (O)never again shall the water become a flood to destroy all flesh.

28Noah lived three hundred and fifty years after the flood.

 29So all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years, and he died.

 

Even more outrageous than you remembered, Noah lived to be 950 yrs old.

If you must claim contradictions in the bible, prepare yourself to show me some.

Why do most ancient civilations have a remarkably similar flood story.

2 things here, most Cristians, unfortunately, don't know enough about what they say they believe. And, sometimes I wish the Bible spelled eeverything out in greater detail. Two reasons why I believe it's written as it is; one is so that people who want to choose to not believe can do so. Two is so that we have to look beyond to nature and history to see the full story. For this reason, I hope I'm not precluded from the thread, or the classroom.

Flood story in a nutshell;

World God created turns bad;

Noah finds favor with God.

God destroys life on the planet, saves Noah & his wife 3 sons and their wives for a total of 8. And a boatload of animals.

 7God made the [c]expanse, and separated (N)the waters which were below the expanse from the waters (O)which were above the expanse; and it was so.

This passage from Genesis Ch. 1 is one of the keys.

It indicates there was a layer of water above the atmosphere as well as oceans below.

Then there was a greenhouse effect, and the entire Earth was a tropical paradise.

Two things would be affecte by that, uv energy would be reduced, that's the primary cause of aging on the planet, right?

Carbon 14 is caused by Nitrogen being broken down by UV rays, so if used to date objects from before the flood, their ages would be exagerrated.

One more thing, The promise of the Rainbow after the flood indicates that one had never been seen prior. Another argument for the layer of water high in the atmosphere.

And, God's explanation of seasonal changes for the first time. Which leads some of us to beleive this catastrophy might've been initiated by a comet or asteroid strike which also changed the Earth's axis.

So, a catastrophic event, huge amount of additional water on the planet, accelerated techtonics, massive depositions as the waters receded. Cold weather at the poles locking up much of the water as ice (ice age).

Or you can continue to beleive that everything happened at the same rate that we see happening today.

It seemed that the instructor in my Historical Geology class in college had to spend about 95% of his teaching time denying the possibility of a global flood.

What do we see on the surface of the planet, extremely deep sedimentary layers with huge amounts of dead things buried under them. Slow deposition over an extremely long period of time would not produce a huge layer of dead things without an extinction event.

This one's way too long already, I'll let it go for now.

 

 

 

The Lounge Can Darwinism and Chirstianity co-exist? Feb 08 2009
17:42 (UTC)
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So, the real question is the dirrerence in the time scale, and again, if we want to make the grand assumption that everything in ages past happened at the same rate that it is happening now, you can come up with a relatively long time scale. Unless you factor in inconvenient things like earthquakes, volcanoes, glaciers, large scale storms and astronomical objects striking the Earth.

BTW; Take a look at Darwin's bio and see what he studied in college.

The Lounge Can Darwinism and Chirstianity co-exist? Feb 08 2009
15:31 (UTC)
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First we need to distinguish the two parts to the theory of evolution. The "macro" which explains the origin of life from spontaneous generation through a continuum of increasing complexity. "Micro" evolution concerns a species adapting to its environment, but not becoming a newer more complex species.

The part of evolution that we as Christian can believe is micro. Organisms can become antibiotic resistant, animals can change color over time, birds can develop longer beaks. But, the evidence of species changing into more complex life forms, the transitional forms, is lacking. That's where I can look at the evidence available and say there's not enough to convince me.

I was confused for a long time well into my college carreer in my understanding of the scientific method. The problem was, I was always hearing the words"evolution" and "scientific method" in the same sentence. I fanally realized that there was no connection between the two. True science comes to us in two forms, observational and experimental. Evolution does not fit into either. Except for the change within a species. Beyond that it is yet another grand assumption and even a religion of its own to many.

About the cavemen, I think they are heavily underrated. Did they live in those caves permanantly? I would suggest not. They most likely lived in structures above ground that deteriorated over time. And they used the caves when traveling or hiding from enemies. The "Iceman" from 5300 years ago had a bow and finely crafted arrows that would be hard to surpass even with our modern aluminum or composite pieces. He also had a copper-headed axe.

The big-bang is pretty well established, actually, space is a vacuum, so it doesn't carry sound, and if it did there was nobody there to hear it. With the possible exception of God himself. What were his first words in the bible?"Let there be light". Then for anything significant to be produced from the big bang, a precisely ordered series of split-second events had to happen. That's what they were examining with that Large Hadron collider experiment in Europe last year. I won't try to explain, it see the article in Science Illustrated from Sep. 08.

 Expect more to follow soon from one of the odd lot who takes the bible literally.

   

   

The Lounge A query for believers Feb 07 2009
14:51 (UTC)
Original Post by santonacci:

Original Post by keenwheels:

o Did you know that the bible specifically talks about when Jesus agreed to become the "surety" or literally "cosigner" for the human race?  It was before time began.  The cross is not plan B, it was PLAN A!

So, since this was planned from the beginning, and Jesus is God and existing from the very beginning, that means Jesus knew the plan.  He, and his Old Man, knew that in three days parole would come.  He knew that there would only be temporary suffering, albeit, supposedly, unimaginable by human standards.  But still temporary.

Corporal anguish and three days of separation vs. an eternity of sitting on the right hand of "God the Father Almighty" who will "come again in glory"?  That's a "sacrifice"?

Interesting, so the word of God is written on our hearts!

2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the (D)author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him (E)endured the cross, (F)despising the shame, and has (G)sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.  Hebrews 12:2

This is all true, as I read John Ch. 17 among other passages. Jesus knew the big picture, where he was before, what was coming after, a short time of intense suffering.  There seems to be some information he did not have access to at this particular time, the day and hour of his return, and what he would find when he did return. He only had his small group of not-so-quick-to-grasp-his-concpts desciples to carry on his work after he left the planet. He asked himself at least once"When the son of man returns, will he find faith on the Earth?"After a couple of visits from the resurrected Christ and some help from the Holy Spirit, the disciples did a remarkably job of expanding the movement throughout the known world. Since then, we've had fits and starts and apparently need more time to complete the mission.  

The Lounge Another query for believers Feb 07 2009
06:30 (UTC)
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The bible's not against interracial marraige, it's against believers marrying unbelievers.

Everyone has broken the 10 commandments. That's what made it necessary for Jesus to take our sins upon himself and take our punishment.

Since keeping the commandments is beyond our ability, the alternative offered to us, freely given by God is to believe in Jesus Christ. At that point our sin is put upon him, and his righteousness is applied to us.

The passage that spells it out most simply is John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Yes it is an exclusive statement, but I know of no other belief system where the central figure offered up himself as the sacrifice for mankind.

 

The Lounge Economic Stimulus Plan Feb 06 2009
15:08 (UTC)
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Lower pay probably trumps unemployment.

The Lounge Hey! Abortion pro(op)ponents! Wrap your head around this! Feb 06 2009
15:07 (UTC)
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28438682/

Here's an answer, looks like we have a federal law on the books since 2004 as a result of the Laci Petersen murder.

The Lounge Hey! Abortion pro(op)ponents! Wrap your head around this! Feb 06 2009
14:59 (UTC)
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Don't know if this one's been answered fully yet. There have been cases in the states recently where a person has been charged with double homicide for killing a pregnant woman. 

The Lounge Economic Stimulus Plan Feb 06 2009
14:36 (UTC)
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I read that the bill is up to 1400 pages in length now. They just need to euthanize this thing and go back to square one. 

The Lounge Hey! Abortion pro(op)ponents! Wrap your head around this! Feb 06 2009
14:29 (UTC)
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488644,00.html

This one was at 23 weeks and probably could've survived.

You're right, if the president can bring himself to vote other than present on this issue, it won't change my mind. But articles like this one might cause some people to reconsider.

The Lounge Are you ever shocked by the lack of knowledge about nutrition and exercise? Feb 06 2009
14:21 (UTC)
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Watched a program on the "Ice man" recently. The well precerved body found in a retreating glacier in the alps. Dated at 5300 yrs old. The contents of his stomach showed that his last meal consisted of meat, bread and a green vegetable. More balanced than what a lot uf us are eating today.

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