Posts by troi_blue

Best place to search for health info is a pro-veggie forum!

My dh is vegetarian, diet forums always HAVE TO play on the safe side, as so many ED people join, join a veggie forum and they'll tell you all the facts.

I am not you, I cannot say. Did you try estimating the oil? Given a jar, what percentage do you THINK was pure oil?

Sorry, and good luck!

Honey, gi-jane's right - people who tell you this are not the fat police, waiting to make you all gray and fat and dull!

You did it before - WHY didn't it stick, if it was so great?

You can either try, 15lbs in three weeks that comes right back (if not now, then later, or worse yet NEVER because you'll have lost the plot and be on a fast road to death) or, you can lose 6lbs in three weeks, in a healthy way, tone up whatever jiggley bits bug you - butt, belly, whatever - and be on the long-term road to successful weight management.

Your choice - whatever you decide, I hope it makes you happy.

Only thing I can think of is, weigh some kitchen tissue, mop up the spilled oil, then work out its weight and subtract it as pure oil (like olive oil etc) from the proportion?

I feel your pain, Ive have SO screwed up something I was carefully measuring!

Honest answer, if my thing didn't work in the end I personally would throw things away rather than be (in the case of a nut butter) quite large amounts of calories off.

Original Post by vwiggins:
Even on a tiny frame most people with a 24'' waist have trained it with a corset though.

Honest to G-d, not me, though don't forget I'm a shortie! lol

I was just skinny in the body, biggish on the butt and thigh back then. Post little angel, that changed, now I pile it on in the midriff more than my booty... But back in the 50's the UK size 12 was a 24 inch waist, it's really not unattainable, just as women maybe got more muscular or something maybe. I won't get mine back now, settle for 28

Thanks for the reply! Please do let me know how it works out for you.

I've never taken them before either, but my doc says they might help with the weightloss/muscle building (not that i want to be like Arnie or anything!) because I don't eat any meat except chicken & fish, and so am not exactly exploding with protein...

Short term, there are a million diet plans and advisors that will tell you exactly what to eat and when.

Long term, I'm going to turn your question round, and ask you this - if you woke up tomorrow right where you want to be with your weight, and you'd never again have to worry about gaining fat, what would YOU choose to eat, for breakfast, lunch and dinner?

If you got all the gorging on ice-cream and pizza or whatever your foods are that are fattening that you love, and if you could happily live without feeling either over hungry or over full, what would you eat for the rest of your life?

Take that idea and play, even if it sounds crazy and then figure out how to get the taste & mouthfeel you love at each meal and snack (if you snack, I happen not to) for the right amount of calories and then you've got a blueprint for life.

How many calories for each meal though - well, are you hungrier at night or in the mornings? Play with it - experiment, you're working on getting not just a short term diet but a plan for the rest of your life, so get to know your hunger again, your likes and dislikes, the things you love too much to have because they drive you KERRRAZY!

Starting out, why not try 500cals flat at each meal - then see where you find yourself wanting more, or less?

The reason calorie counting is better (IMO) than any other diet is that NO food is forbidden - just gotta watch your quantities. Good luck!

Ease down again, don't try to snap back into your lowest calorie count the next day, or even worse starve yourself - and make sure that you give yourself plenty of good foods to look forward to.

I don't know what your daily limit is, but say it was 1600cals, and you're eating unknowwn amounts right now, but averaging just for example over 3000cals? Just on that theoretical figure, I'd aim to hit 2200cals on day 1, 2000 day 2, 1800 day 3... you get the picture.

BUT - important point - from day 1 eat your meals as and when you'd eat them if your diet was going perfectly, and have your extra calories AFTER the meal, as snacks or desserts.

There's a bunch of research on how we learn to crave stuff we eat when we're hungry, and doing this gets you back in the pattern of eating foods you crave when you're already somewhat full with good stuff - it also gets you back to eating meals instead of mindless ('scuse the phrase!) grazing and bingeing.

But do make sure that you ease down slowly, and that you still include your favourite goodies so that day 1 doesn't seem like the start of a famine - you want to motivate yourself first to get back to planned meals only at first (snacks too if you have them as part of your plan, but ONLY at the times you would if you were dieting successfully) and then slowly cut back the extras...

Better yet, work out healthy lo-cal meals and snacks etc that let you keep your favourite tastes. First comes the structure, then comes the fine tuning!

Sorry for the novel, I spent SO many years dieting then having weeks like you've described where I gained it all back and more, and i broke the binge monster's back forever by just easing down, going for structure ahead of deprivation, and not getting into a mindset whereby dieting successfully felt like hell on earth.

And yeah, what everyone else says too about taking a look at why  - good luck hon!

I'm going to play devil's advocate and say, maybe this plan would work for someone transitioning from a really high in fat/salt diet, one with little veg or other fresh food, and then provide them the motivation to keep going by moving to healthier foods?

But... yeah, chemical breakdown thing is pants, there's no magic chemical in hot dogs or most couch-potatoes would be so slim, they'd be falling down through the cracks in the sidewalk!

Oops, sorry, didn't mean to be insensitive!!

Try popping a breath mint or menthol cough sweet if you're craving savories, or a tiny dab of garlic puree (if you can handle it) or tiny bit of raw onion or pepper (again if they won't make you gag) when you're craving sweet foods maybe?

No guarantees but when I'm forced to be around cookies and savouries at work events or whatever they work for me, and it's possible to not be too conspicuous.

This doesn't really address your post about replacing cereal etc, but I just wanted to say that you can replace soy mince (and I also cut out soy long ago, wasn't dieting just didn't like what I was reading about it) with minced, mashed or blended canned kidney beans or lima beans, any sort really with the right consistency for what you're making.

Most canned beans are simply cooked in water and canned - avoid the ones in sauces.

You can then use stuff like wheatbran (my standby) or other grains, with egg to bind it, into patties and grill them like burgers, I do all sorts of stuff like that.

That "most important meal of the day" thing is silly, people eat at different times, we're not all alike. Why not skip eating when you wake up, and then plan a healthy mid-morning snack once you're awake enough to enjoy it? One thing I have learned is that there is NO golden rule to weightloss, i've seen it with myself, friends, family - what works excellently for one person doesn't do anything for another, might even be counter-productive.

Example: I tried snacking, same calories as before, my weight-loss stalled, I stopped doing it and the weighloss started up again like clockwork. Why, who knows, but I measure and weigh carefully and nothing extra was creeping in there! Listen to your body and your needs - maybe you just prefer to do your eating later in the day, that's NOT a crime!! It;s my opinion that Rules about when we SHOULD eat just add to the existing pressure of dieting, and do nothing to help people get in touch with their hunger.

If that sounds rude to the other posters please be assured I don't mean it that way, but I've seen too many people me included slip and fall because of well-meaning advice, which works for others that just isn't right for us.

My mom lost 30lbs and has kept it off for years by cutting out canteen lunches and just eating a huge breakfast and a big dinner, me I;d faint if I didn't eat lunch, so IMO and after years of watching dieters and losing (and gaining) myself, its just about finding out what works for you and not forcing anything.

I just don't have anything in the house that isn't on my plan, like you mentioned a biscuit tin lol and for my house that's just a no-no, because I don't have biscuits (cookies) as part of my plan.

But like I posted elsewhere, once a month I crave crave CRAVE! milk chocolate, then I go out and buy 2 - 3 bars, like not over 100grams here, and I enjoy that guilt-free.

Sounds harsh but it works for me.

I also add wheat bran, 10grams or so, to my sauces & soups etc, that gets me extra fibre every day without needing to add servings of calorific cereals with extra milk, and luckily I'm not anything-intolerant!

Well at risk of getting yelled at it sounds great to me, pre-preg I had a 24 inch waist and I was always slim then, I'm 5'0 and always felt I looked great. I have more bosomage though, more like 34, but that's just body shape variables and doesn't reflect on body fat - my sister's heavier and 38DD!!

Well if that was me Id just listen to my body that day and not eat much, but I don't know if you have any reasons why you don't want to do that. By which I mean, any history of unhealthily undereating or anything.

Once a month my body tells me to eat chocolate to the exclusion of every other kind of food, and within reason I do it, and because the other 27 days I'm all about the veg and healthy proteins etc I don't see the harm, and I'm doing good on it. Listening to your body is what naturally thin people do, and I know a couple, both women, they don't eat to the fixed schedule most dieters do, some days they gorge and then others the appetite fairy stays away, which i guess is how humans have always functioned.

My appetite varies with the time of the month and what I've been doing that day, it's no biggie for me so long as I don't repeatedly go over my calorie limit. But if I'm starving hungry one day (and not eating out of boredom or whatever) I eat, and I never force myself to eat if I'm genuinely just not hungry. JMO!