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| Vegetarian | "Skinny Bitch" | Jul 29 2009 05:51 (UTC) |
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Oh yes.... I picked up the cookbook too.... great stuff, yummy that you can feel good about! |
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| Vegetarian | Holier than Thou? A morality issue | Jul 27 2009 15:38 (UTC) |
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Original Post by angeluhh: I agree completely. I am currently transitioning from pescaterian to vegan and have made it as far as pesca vegan with loose variance on lacto-ovo. For instance I will occasionally eat a pastry which most have eggs or milk in the recipe. But I'm trying. I Know eventually I will get there. QUOTE: "I guess i'd have to ask why meat-eaters notoriously try to convert/catch/contest/insult/ belittle/question/annoy/antagonize vegans. Some call it carnivore guilt.." *APPLAUSE* I completely agree.... the same questions get really old really fast. I wouldn't mind if they were valid, like "How does this choice affect your diet requirements", "Do you find it difficult to tick to a strikt diet" etc. But most are snobby or judgemental: "OMG What do you eat?", "oh you must be lacking protein", "Oh you're one of THOSE", "No wonder you're o skinny, aren't you malnourished?" and many many more..... I hate it..... |
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| Vegetarian | Where has all the tolerance gone? | Jul 27 2009 15:21 (UTC) |
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I agree and disagree with the topic. On one hand I am that tolerant veggie who doesn't demand special treatment or tofu skewers at a barbeque. If I go to a barbeque, unless the host lets me know they will have an option for me I bring my own fave brand of veggie burger. I don't impose my lifestyle on anyone. In fact I was veg a year before my husband was, and I still cooked meat for him, however uncomfotable it made me feel. On the other hand if I am ordering/eating/or topic comes up and I mention I am vegetarian there could be one of three reactions. 1. "Good for you", 2. "Oh, you are? OK" and 3. "Oh you're one of those....." If a person chooses the first, they tend to ask questions, or initiate a bit more discussion I will talk to them about it. If they choose number 2 it is evident they aren't interested in a conversation about it, so I don't press. If they choose number 3 and start attacking me for my choices, is when I attack back! You insult my choice to avoid meat, well I'm gonna defend myself and insult you right back! Yes there are veggies and vegans who impose their opinion on everyone around them, and they are annoying. I find most veg/vegans do fall into my category and only open their mouth to defend themselves or talk to people who ask about it. |
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| Vegetarian | "Skinny Bitch" | Jul 27 2009 15:11 (UTC) |
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Original Post by floggingsully: It's like this with every topic with you. You are so hardheaded and you refuse to see the gray.... People stop posting in a topic because they are so tired of arguing with you. |
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| Vegetarian | "Skinny Bitch" | Jul 08 2009 15:59 (UTC) |
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Who gets to decide which part of the cow we should be eating? No part of the cow!!!!! Who are we to decide which animal lives and which dies..... which animal we will abuse for its milk and let live and which animal to bring up just to be abused, and painfully, horribly slaughtered. And floggingsully, why don't you email the writer and ask her to send you a copy of her degree so that you yourself can be satisfied. Nutrition degree is not easy to get, seeing as how I am looking into applying in the next few years, when I can afford the tuition fees and time off work. |
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| Vegetarian | "Skinny Bitch" | Jun 25 2009 00:09 (UTC) |
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Yes thats right!!!! I remember now! Thanks!
Again agree completely.... think back to a normal rural life about a 100 years ago... a family would have a cow and maybe a pig or a few chickens, whom they kept for very special holidays - thus the whole dead meat tradition on christmas/thanksgiving/weddings, etc. We aren't meant to consume the sgtaggering amounts of meat we do today.... we never did! And of course I am not even going into the whole debate of whether we need it at all.... I'm veg so my opinion is obvious!! |
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| Vegetarian | "Skinny Bitch" | Jun 24 2009 23:55 (UTC) |
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It's been a year or two since I read it, but I believe the part that we are getting too much, and it is a misconception as to how much we need.... also that milk is too high in protein and not the type we need since it is meant to fatten up and make grow a very different species.... Is that the part you weren't taking seriously?
Oh by the way I am happy to say that the moment I put down the book I had my husband read it. He finished it in a week and swore off meat half way through FOR GOOD! I told him read it and make your own conclusions.... no pressure, no judgement. He knew it was true since I stopped eating meat a year before him.....Also my doctor who said that at 29 his bad cholesterol was as bad as of a 60 y.o. fat guy says it's now 3 out of 100! Bonus .... |
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| Vegetarian | only 900 calories a day?!? | Jun 24 2009 23:50 (UTC) |
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I suggest a cup of beans/chickpeas/lentils a day. At around 250-300 cals per cup they are a great source of fibre, protein and energy not to mention folate, potassium and cholesterol lowering qualities!!!! Just eating what you're eating and snackingon some beans in the day you will get about 1200 cals which is a minimum. Some people don't need as much as others, so you have to gauge your own well being, and if you feel full, healthy and strong and aren't losing weight too fast you should be OK. A great way of having beans (in case you're not a huge fan) is a little recipe I've got for it: -take half a can of the bean medley or mixed beans can, and rinse it through well. -Chop up some green and red sweet peppers and mix together-For dressing I use some salt/pepper and olive oil and balsamic vinegar. I eat it as a snack, as part of dinner, or I even served it at a part with some tortilla chips around it and it disappeared!
Good luck :) |
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| Vegetarian | "Skinny Bitch" | Jun 24 2009 23:38 (UTC) |
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I LOVE LOVE LOVE this book... it changed my life... I was already avoiding meat for a year prior to reading it, but not consiously.... my body rejected the idea of eating it all on its own. After I read the book I became a more conscious and strict veggie. They do advocate taking the change in at your own pace, which I have eliminated all animal product except for fish once in a while, and I hope to become a full vegan when my will power allows. I know their language and tone is a bit unconventional, but you either ignore it and focus on the facts, or you're one of the people it's aimed at who feel that they need a good kick in the butt, such as many of my friends and some people who posted earlier. The reason they aren't presenting "the other side" is that it simply doesnt exist in the debate to kill or not to kill.... But for those who it does exist for.... well your side is very well presented everywhere .... McDonalds, KFC, Got Milk commercials, Cheese propaganda... it's everywhere you look.... so people like us need to reach the masses with sassy names on the book, and kick-ass language and doing what we can to reach.... anyone we can. Cause Cheese will not bring us together like they sing in that diddly song on TV |
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| Motivation | Whats going on??? | Jun 24 2009 23:14 (UTC) |
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Definitely tha majority of it is water retention....also look into your bowel movements. For instance I weigh myself in the mornings when I wake up, but always after a bowel movement. Technically if you are getting enough fibre and water you should have as many as the number of major meals per day. If some days you are not having enough movement you may weigh 1-4 lbs heavier..... I always try to keep up my fibre and water intake, cleaning out my system. |
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| Foods | Top Ten things you eat the most often... | Jun 24 2009 23:04 (UTC) |
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Seaweed Veggie Soup (my recipe) Buckwheat Millet Sauteed Veggies Tofu Spelt Bread Dark Chocolate (I have to be honest) Beans Grapefruit |
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| Vegetarian | how many vegetarians wear leather? | Jun 22 2009 05:56 (UTC) |
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I used to eat whatever.. but now.. free range no dairy and no meat! Yay! |
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| Weight Loss | Diet of fruit and vegetables | Jun 18 2009 04:31 (UTC) |
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Please read my posts carefully before you reply..... this is ridiculous! |
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| Weight Loss | Diet of fruit and vegetables | Jun 17 2009 14:55 (UTC) |
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Original Post by thermal: Did you notice that the name of this thread is "Diet of fruit and vegetables". No one asked about a vegetarian diet? ............ I was simply saying if you go veg, do it the right way by having a balanced diet. |
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| Weight Loss | Multi-Vitamin = weight gain? | Jun 13 2009 22:55 (UTC) |
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Original Post by mischiefdm: I do so agree, I eat to the point of being too full sometimes, enter in all the food I have consumed and I repeatedly get less calories than I expected! As for the vitamins, I spoke to my naturopath and nutritionist, and he said sometimes the body rejects certain vitamin cocktails, or has an excess of a certain vitamin already and when faced with more of teh same, protects the cell of the body by building fat around them. He also said that many people are allergic to the chemically derived vitamins or certain brands, and may or may not feel it, but it does affect your system. I spoke to him on the phone, and he said it's a classic case and he's seen too much of it. He said based on how I eat (which he fully approves of), I shouldn't even need a multivitamin.... |
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| Weight Loss | Diet of fruit and vegetables | Jun 13 2009 14:50 (UTC) |
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Oh by the way I do agree with the moderation in fruits. It's good to have one for breakfast in the morning, but not to overindulge..... Sugar derived carbs don't last and don't deliver steady energy throughout the day. |
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| Weight Loss | Diet of fruit and vegetables | Jun 13 2009 14:49 (UTC) |
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Original Post by limitles: I was never advising a low fat diet.... simply suggesting healthier fats. And this only turned to veg discussion because I didnt meantion anything dead in my suggestions. And the whole Olympic thing, I simply supported my argument that you dont need animal flesh to be an athlete which I knew was going to be an issue with some. I was merely stating that it's how I eat, and I used to be a competitive gymnast training 5 hours a day 7 days a week since I was 8. My doctors ask ME what I am doing to keep as healthy as I am!!!!! I don't believe in diets, you have to eat well and balanced all the time. And being a vegetarian is a good health, moral and environmental choice! :) Why not! |
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| Weight Loss | Diet of fruit and vegetables | Jun 11 2009 17:42 (UTC) |
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It's a myth that muscles, strength and endurance require the consumption of large quantities of animal-based foods. This myth began before anyone even talked about protein. During the Olympics, it's a good time to take a look at some amazing athletes who are champions and vegetarians:
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| Weight Loss | Diet of fruit and vegetables | Jun 11 2009 17:41 (UTC) |
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type "vegetarian olympic athletes" in google and you will find lots of info on them, as well as their diets. A lot of them are in track and field or other related sports. There's also a pro-basketball star who's veg, and they swear by their diet
Oh in terms of the fat thing.... well... what I meant by that, is when people refer to that they don't take into account that all things have fat, just not animal derived such as the nasty trans and saturated fats. When people give themselves permission to eat fats they tend to stop differentiating. For instance, olive oil has great healthy fats, but when heated over a certain temperature it too becomes unhealthy. I eat plenty of fats, they are all vegetably sourced, and the good kind. I don't go out of my way to eat something labelled low fat, I simply try to cook most of my meals myself so that I can have a say what kind of oil and butter is used, and how my food is cooked. I can never eat anything that came out of a deep fryer..... but when you diet is balanced with the whole grains, fruits, veggies, legumes you will get sufficient fat without focusing on cutting it out or upping the intake. |
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| Weight Loss | Diet of fruit and vegetables | Jun 11 2009 16:53 (UTC) |
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First of all, what type of sport are you doing? Second of all, I entirely disagree with the people saying you need to up your fat intake. You can stay perfectly happy and healthy with eating veggies, complex carbohydrates and protein of a vegetable source. There's a lot of olympic and pro athletes who do very well with this diet, whether you stand behind a vegetarian lifestyle or just doing it for the health benefits. Olympic athletes have a team of nutritionists and coaches all looking out for their health and performance so there's no way what I am saying here can be bad advice. The difference is complex vs simple carbs. Simple carbs raise your bood sugar following which you feel sluggish when it drops again. Also provide no real sustenance or energy. Try eating half a plate of whole wheat pasta compared to a plate of regular kind, and you will feel fuller and have more energy and no slump. I eat exclusively brown rice, whole wheat, kamut, spelt, millet, buckwheat, whole wheat couscous. I have a ton of veggies, fruits, beans and legumes for the protein. I'm a former competitive gymnast. We had to both build muscle and keep our fat weight down..... nothing better then this kind of diet to accomplish that! |
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| Vegetarian | how many vegetarians wear leather? | Jun 08 2009 22:41 (UTC) |
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I'm not an expert and don't know for sure, but it may have something to do with the fact the smoke they use to calm the beese so they can collect, and usually it has nicotine...... not certain but i think its the collection method .... also the leaving enough for the hive, or not using sugar water to feed the bees |
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| Weight Loss | Multi-Vitamin = weight gain? | Jun 08 2009 19:15 (UTC) |
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I have only reduced the calorie intake very recently after noticing that I have gained weight despite eating well and upping my exersize routine. It is a temporary corrective measure, not my lifestyle. And it's working out fine especially since I have stopped taking that multivitamin. It's happened to me once before in December/January right before I went away on vacation. I didn't bring my vitamins and since I wasn't taking them the weight melted off, just like it is right now. Once I'm back in my own body again, I will start graudually eating more combined with my exersize. I create my meals to include every nutrient possible and in a matter of a week I consume more vegetables and vitamins then most people do in a month. No, I'm not starving myself. |
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| Vegetarian | how many vegetarians wear leather? | Jun 06 2009 14:35 (UTC) |
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Original Post by hgharmon: I completely agree!!!!! I feel like I am doing some part, and I have made a positive change and I still am making the difference. |
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| Weight Loss | Multi-Vitamin = weight gain? | Jun 06 2009 14:32 (UTC) |
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OMG It was the multivitamin. I stopped taking it 3 days ago, and already dropped 2.6 lbs. It was making me retain water or something, which is not good since I do Hot Yoga and the point is to flush everything out of yourself. |
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| Weight Loss | technically underweight BUT.... | Jun 05 2009 17:25 (UTC) |
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Oh and by the way I am not skinny fat.... I own a constrution company, I lift drywall and do plaster work and exersize 8 hours a day while most people sit on their butt in an office. I am very strong, I have lots of muscle. I also do Yoga and pilates. I'm just thin and tall, I was actually born as a skinny baby and throughout my childhood I would eat 5 times a day and not gain an ounce. Also my period is reguar. I'm 27 years old, I'm not a kid, with an eating disorder. I do find that as soon as I stop being quite as active or overeat during a holiday period I gain belly fat which is when I hit the 120 lb mark. And thats when suddenly I get belly rolls (I mainly gain weight on my belly). And it has nothing to do with my clothes which fit me perfectly 99% of the time. And when I am in my normal weight of 110-115 lbs, is when my stomach is flat and I look like I belong in my body. You need to stop ganging up on people who struggle with different issues than you do, and recognize that no one is encouraging anorexia or undereating. |
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| Weight Loss | technically underweight BUT.... | Jun 05 2009 17:18 (UTC) |
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Obviously no one cares to address the point of the debate and choose to rather personally insult me. I read through many other posts by other people who are struggling to understand why they are considered unhealthy because their BMI says so, and yet they are as healthy as can be and are not starving themselves on a diet. What I have found is that most people gang up on them and resent them for being naturally thin. I can see this is not the place for me. I prefer forums where a person isn't insulted for carrying a different point of view. You are protecting the 14 year old who is fat and reads my post but you dont care about a 14 year old who is being bullied for being anorexic when she eats a lot but cannot gain weight! You know it does go both ways....... my only point is that BMI is bollocks, and you need to know a lot more to judge whether a person is unhealthy! But I see most people are so fixated on BMI they cannot see past it. |
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| Weight Loss | technically underweight BUT.... | Jun 05 2009 15:30 (UTC) |
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My clothes fit properly, thank you very much. But how can you tell me that at 165 lbs (according to this God-given BMI index) I'm supposed to still be healthy. I'm not expressing just my personal opinion, I'm expressing a theory that maybe BMI isn't a great indicator of health and fitness. I'm also not pro- anorexic (that's stupid and unhealthy), rather I'm challenging the standard of being overweight and underweight. I think it should be based on nutrition and fitness and natural body type of each person. I am being objective and polite and I feel personally attacked and insulted. Why? |
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| Vegetarian | how many vegetarians wear leather? | Jun 05 2009 15:16 (UTC) |
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I'm a semi-vegetarian-semi-vegan. I eat fish.... very occasionaly, but have no eggs or milk. I started off for health reasons, but later found out how animals are treated in the slaughterhouses as well as environmental implications.
I feel horrible about it, but I do wear leather. I cannot imagine my life with no decent shoes or having to wear pleather. I can deny myself any kind of food, but to look tacky in a pair of pleather boots would be too much. I wish there were more options! |
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| Weight Loss | technically underweight BUT.... | Jun 05 2009 15:00 (UTC) |
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Good lord.... how did my post get deleted, I am not sick.... I was merely stating that BMI is not always a good indicator. I actually have fat on me, I eat super healthy, exersize, get my regular period and all my check ups are fine. To chalk up anyone who is slim into anorexic category is wrong. I'm really annoyed to get a warning.
I have one of those wii-fit balance boards which I use to take accurate weght measurement and it tells me I'm still underweight when I gain weight and have fat rolls hanging over my jeans! I also believe BMI is NOT a good indicator. If my BMI was at 25 which I believe is the healthy limit I would be soooooooooooooo unhealthy! I would have to weigh 165 lbs!!!! How the heck is that healthy!!!!!!!!!! I was 140 lbs some 4 years ago and I could barely walk up the stairs without getting winded, I couldn't sit properly cause my belly rolls where pushing on the waistband of my pants.
What I mean, is that it does not take bone density into account, or your natural healthy state. I am healthiest at a BMI of 17.... I have a very thin bone structure and even though I'm tall my scheleton doesnt weigh a lot. I study holistic medicine and nutrition, I eat increadibly well. We can't chalk people up to anorexic because BMI told you so. That is the point! |
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| Weight Loss | technically underweight BUT.... | Jun 05 2009 05:40 (UTC) |
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I agree, I'm also underweight... at 5'8" and usually at 115 I am feeling healthy and look good.. at 110 I look amazing. at 12o I have a little belly... it sucks.... I have to be underweight to have a flat stomach... I eat super healthy and work out 3-4 times a week pilates and hot yoga |
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