amethyst just back from trip and trying to stop the pounds from piling

Posts by amethystlavender

Forum	Topic	Date	Replies

Vegetarian	Looking for meatless tuna!	Oct 26 2006 07:25 (UTC)
I've never heard of Tuno, sorry I can't help there, but... Another good alternative - Carrot Tahini sandwiches. It's about 2 finely grated carrots, mixed with a few tablespoons of tahini, a tablespoon of nutritional yeast, some salt and pepper, and a tablespoon of fake sour cream if you have it ... if not, it works fine without. (I have never used it). You spread it on bread and it looks kinda like tuna. Tastes really good not at all what you'd imagine.
Vegetarian	Favorite veg cookbook...	Oct 24 2006 06:24 (UTC)	7
The book I have that I use most often is Foods That Don't Bite Back. I find most of the cookbooks I have use recipes that call for ingredients I just never have around and would have to invest a lot of time and money into keeping them stocked. I am always looking for books that keep it simple.
Vegetarian	Soy Yogurt - Nastier Than Poo	Oct 18 2006 21:00 (UTC)	26
Gotta be the brand you bought! My favourite health food store stocks 2 brands of soy yogurt and one of them is HORRIBLE blech ew gross awful. But the other, So Nice (Vancouver, Canada co.) is SOOOOO good. I couldn't live without it. It's got real bacterial cultures like dairy yogurt and it's so good for soothing my nausea right now! To be honest I haven't had dairy yogurt in like 6 years but I swear it tastes just like it.
Vegetarian	Vegan roll call?	Oct 18 2006 20:57 (UTC)	116
Here! Nutritional yeast is mmmm good. Random Recipe! If you can stand eating small portions, cause this one's high-cal for sure: Creamy White Cheez Sauce http://www.veganchef.com/crmychz2.htm Serve yourself a bit as a treat on whole grain pasta with a ton of steamed greens on the side, and give the rest to your high metabolism partner, kid or sibling! :)
Vegetarian	Heating up soy milk	Oct 18 2006 20:36 (UTC)	17
I've never had any problems heating up soy milk (for hot chocolate) either, but I generally use the stove-top as well. (Don't even own a microwave). The brand I usually purchase is Vitasoy so that could have something to do with it. I know that various coffee shops have different kinds of soy milk, and some brands you can pour soy milk in to a hot coffee without a problem (Silk seems to be OK); but some brands (i.e. So Nice, a Canadian company) you need to put the soy milk in first, then the coffee, or else it curdles. Thus, I think it probably has to do with the rapidity of heating... coffee on top of soy milk heats it slow, whereas vice versa heats it too quickly. So it just goes back to the stovetop vs. microwave method. You could try the stovetop with your brand.
Vegetarian	Tofutti	Jun 28 2006 03:17 (UTC)	6
Tofutti non-dairy slices make grilled cheese just like the real thing. Not very low-fat option, so try it in anything you would grill or something that gets the cheese melty. They are 1/2 types types of vegan cheese I will eat, the other being the Vegan Gourmet Cheese Alternative and sometimes Veganrella, I guess. All of them are mostly only good if you use them in something they will melt in. I can eat them not melted, but you just have to convince yourself not to compare it to "real" cheese and enjoy it on its own merit.
Vegetarian	Extra firm silken tofu recipe ideas needed	Jun 28 2006 03:13 (UTC)	2
I always use extra-firm silken tofu for vegan chocolate tofu cheesecake: www.veganchef.com ; .... it's SOOOOOOOOO good. All my non-veg family members' favourite recipe I do. And I press silken tofu similarly, using coffee filters and canned food. :) (It says to in the recipe for cheesecake).
Vegetarian	Frosty	Jun 15 2006 03:07 (UTC)	1
I just call it a Chocolate Peanut Butter smoothie, but this also tastes a lot like a Wendy's Frosty. For this I use a food processor, you would need that or a blender, Chocolate Peanut Butter & Banana Smoothie 2 bananas, frozen ¼ C to ½ C peanut butter ("cheap" peanut butter, or all-natural) 2 C soy milk (approximately; plain or vanilla) 4 T cocoa powder ¼ C to ½ C sugar vanilla (optional) Freeze bananas by breaking into 1" chunks and putting in plastic container in freezer overnight. Blend all ingredients in blender or food processor until smooth. Most ingredients are flexible (except bananas) -- add to your own taste.
Vegetarian	TVP - got recipes?	Jun 15 2006 02:29 (UTC)	3
The best thing I've used TVP in is Chili. I've also used it for sloppy joes. I'm seeing a tomato theme... You could probably fry it up with packaged Fajita seasoning to use like ground beef, but I've never done it. I've always soaked it in plain water...
Vegetarian	Vegan	Jun 15 2006 02:21 (UTC)	36
Actually vegans (and vegetarians should also) need to take B12 supplements. The B12 in Spirulina and other algae is not adequately bioavailable. As I've said in other posts, I recommend vegetarians, vegans, and prospective vegans read some of the articles on this site: http://www.veganhealth.org Especially the ones about Vitamin B12: http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/everyvega n/ http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/ There are other micronutrients that you might not get enough of if you're a "junk food vegan" or not eating enough of a variety of fresh vegetables and fruits. If you're concerned, you should take a multivitamin. That being said, there are a lot of micronutrients that omnivores miss out on because they treat veggies like garnish and think salad is iceberg lettuce with Kraft dressing .. oh the SAD. :) There are a lot of foods that one can eat if they are vegan, without ever going near "meat substitutes". IMO, they make a good transition food but are minimally better than eating meat itself in a variety of ways (mass production, preservatives, eating too much soy, etc.) .. Stock up on a variety of dried legumes like black beans, kidney beans, chickpeas, and lentils. Then get a couple types of brown rice, quinoa, couscous and noodles (noodles, for me, are a treat). Then, whenever you're doing weekly grocery shopping you only need to worry about fresh veggies and fruits because you've got all the staples at home. And spices! Never forget to have a lot of spices! And if you can afford it, vegetable broth/boullion. Then, take a legume, a grain, and some fresh veggies, add some spices and you've got a different meal for every night of the week. About once a week I also have tofu instead of legumes. I try to limit soy products to once/day MAX because the jury is still out on whether it can increase the likelihood of breast cancer and as that runs in my family... I don't want any further risks. I've been vegan for just over 3 years now and was vegetarian for most of my life. There's basically nothing that I know more about; a close second being the making of granola (what I do 5 days a week for a living); and a close third being the anti-economic globalization movement (all of my college papers were based around this topic, ha) - so, point being, feel free to ask me questions I am not a doctor but I have read a LOT about the veggie lifestyle. EDIT: Leather isn't a by-product. A lot of things are (i.e. "Modified Milk Ingredients", "Whey powder," etc.) and would likely disappear if meat and dairy stopped being produced - which is why some vegans don't worry about them - but leather's not one of them. For the most part, the cows that are raised and slaughtered for leather are done so for their hides. Ingrid Newkirk, founder of PETA, even claims that some leather used for shoes, bags, etc. sold in N. America comes from dogs & cats in Asia. I haven't looked into this any further, so I don't have any sources for that... I guess I could take a look but I'm lazy right now.
Weight Loss	computer cals...	Jun 14 2006 05:07 (UTC)	6
Except don't you have to keep in mind that when you fill out your "Allowance" (Tools>Allowance) you choose your normal daily activity level. For example, I work in a bakery and do a lot of running around, heavy lifting, etc. so I chose "Moderate Activity". As such, I do not add my 8 hours a day at the bakery in my Activity Log. I only log excess activity - i.e. I bicycle to and from work.
Foods	Protein Powder	Jun 14 2006 03:21 (UTC)	1
Other than taking it to the trash can? LOL just kidding I just hate the taste of protein powders. blech. (Which I guess is why you posted this in the first place!) I echo bebe's sentiments. Fruit smoothie should mask the taste a bit. I'd throw in some soy or almond milk, but only if you can afford the extra cals. Freeze the bananas, skip the ice. That's the trick to thickening smoothies. I used to add hemp protein powder to my morning smoothie. Don't even know if you can get the stuff in the US cause of the War on Drugs, heh, but it's an acquired taste but real good once you acquire it.
Foods	slushie/slurpee/froster?	Jun 14 2006 03:15 (UTC)
Tamara, do you recall where you found the nutrition info for slurpees? I'd like to add it for my logs... Though I don't plan on indulging again for at least a couple more weeks! Heheh.
Foods	slushie/slurpee/froster?	Jun 14 2006 03:13 (UTC)	1
None of the refried beans I've ever bought canned have had lard in them. I've never even heard of that... I haven't seen Taco Bell's ingredients, but PETA and other organizations list bean burritos from them (sans the cheese) as vegan so, based on that and my own experience with refried beans, I've determined they're vegan. More important than whether they're vegan or not is the fact that TB is a horrid company (google Taco Bell or Yum Foods and "tomato" for one example); thus I don't make a habit of eating there. TB were all over the place in my hometown, Hamilton, so I ate there more frequently than I should've (probably once a month) but here in Vancouver they're virtually non-existant.
Foods	Indian recommendations	Jun 14 2006 03:08 (UTC)	6
Aloo gobi all the way. OK it's mostly potato so it's gonna have some calories, but darn it's good. The problem with most take-out Indian dishes whether they be meat or veggie, is that they use a lot of either Ghee or veggie oil (it's cheaper) in their cooking. Just go with small portions of a variety of the ones that look good, and fill up on salad and a bit of plain rice.
Vegetarian	Why are you vegetarian?	Jun 14 2006 02:57 (UTC)	46
First of all, I was hardly "flaming" you but I might start to now... Let's go: "I grew up in a farming community, and no self-respecting farmer would treat their livestock that way. while I am certain it happens in some places, I am equally certain that the majority of farmers take proper care of the animals." "I also made no mention of 'meat factories'-I spoke of farmers." The person who heads up the "meat factory", he's the farmer. He might not be the guy down the street from you, but still "the farmer". And he is the majority. Also keep in mind, if you "grew up" in a farming community - things may and probably have changed since then. "I am deeply offended by the 'proof' PETA offers of cruelty to animals in dairy farms and such" The 'proof' PETA offers doesn't include a statment saying that they discovered these horrific conditions down the street from Chocorific's childhood home. What they offer is proof of the conditions of factory farms, which is where the majority of animal products come from. "this is not an argument against a no animal product diet, I think it's only fair to understand that the decision to eat meat isn't wrong either." "I obviously didn't state myself clearly-I was not attacking vegetarianism or veganism." Now I didn't come here to argue or fight, like I said in my last response to you, which is why I wish we could just "tastefully" avoid this part of discussing vegetarianism. You say you weren't attacking vegetarians or vegans; then what did you think you were doing by posting that in the newfound Vegetarian forum? I'm sorry but almost all of your original post could be found offensive (or at least incorrect) by any vegetarian who is one for ethical reasons! I wasn't flaming you, or even overly offended. But the meat and dairy industry spend enough money trying to keep their image clean in the public eye and there's not a lot I can do about that, but I CAN respond when someone is saying that there's nothing wrong with most of the dairy industry on a public internet forum. That's what I did. Now if it's OK with everyone else, I'm gonna call 911 to get this fire put out! (Get it, flaming?) Can't we just talk about our favourite vegetables here? Please?
Vegetarian	Am i a vegetarian??	Jun 14 2006 02:36 (UTC)	27
Aprii13 is right; from the perspective of most veggie authors I've read, generally the word "vegetarian" just means a person who does not eat meat, poultry, fish. The reason they do not eat meat is irrelevant. Most vegans I know, and veganism is also described as such in most veggie books, think of "vegan" as a person who does not eat animal products, wear animal products, or use products that were tested on animals for ethical reasons. While some might call a person who abstains from eating meat, poultry, fish, dairy and eggs a vegan; vegans usually prefer that these people be called/call themselves "total vegetarian" ... ack whenever labeling comes into play, things get complicated. As far as I'm concerned, if people who eat chicken think they can call themselves "vegetarians", you sure can even if you wear leather boots! About the "hypocrite" thing, that's actually an argument you might frequently hear if you continue wearing leather (because really if you're saying you're a vegetarian cuase you don't want to hurt animals, but wear leather, it IS kind of hypocritical) and after hearing it all the time it just gets really annoying. My suggestion, wear out those shoes and pick a pair of non-leather next time. The only companies I recommend are: Vegetarian Shoes (www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk) who also distribute through MooShoes in the US (www.mooshoes.com); and I more recently discovered No Sweat Apparel - check (www.nosweatapparel.com)
Vegetarian	Why are you vegetarian?	Jun 14 2006 02:21 (UTC)	48
Jennyfox: So what's the answer? I don't know. Eat locally. Support local farmers who grow a number of crops instead of monocultivation. That's what I'm trying to do right now. That's exactly it, really, in my opinion. When I first became vegan, I was one of those as you said "militant vegans", and any ethical choices were based around that and I rarely factored anything else in. But after I learned more about organic farming (by working on organic farms), not to mention globalization, multinational corporations like Monsanto, genetic engineering, trade blocs, god EVERYTHING affects food ... I realized that choosing foods just because they were "vegan" wasn't quite enough. For example, it is impossible to argue that the meat from a cow raised on a small, organic farm that uses crop rotation and raises a limited number of animals, is MORE environmentally damaging than mass produced Soy products like Yves veggie cuisine. So what do I do? What you said, eat locally whenever possible. Eat fresh fruits and vegetables, organic whenever possible, from local farmers. Since I do still use soy products occasionally to supplement my diet, I at least make sure I choose soy milk and tofu that is organic and made by companies here in Vancouver. (Certainly the soybeans were grown elsewhere; but still...) The only packaged food I eat regularly are the reBAR nutritional supplement bars, made a couple hours drive from Vancouver, with organic fruits and veggies.
Vegetarian	Why are you vegetarian?	Jun 14 2006 02:12 (UTC)	49
Chocorific it's not just PETA it's a multitude of organizations, indivuduals and even former ranchers who are admitting to these atrocities. It (factory farming) is openly talked about in trade magazines. Factory farming is not a secret, not only does it exist but it DOES make up the majority of meat and dairy production in North America. Please do some research. I knew it would come to this at some point, but while I was really excited about a "vegetarian" forum for sharing low-cal veggie recipes, talking about veggie health, etc. I was equally worried about constant debates over things like this... I guess I could just choose to ignore it, but it's really kinda hard!
Vegetarian	Why?Why?Why? are people vegetarians or not?	Jun 14 2006 02:04 (UTC)	39
I think non-vegetarians frequently hassle vegetarians about all sorts of things. One example is say at a family dinner your Aunt starts teasing you that you're eating "rabbit food" and your uncle picks up a piece of meat and says "Mmm doesn't this look tasty?" or sometimes it even goes further and moves from teasing to criticizing or ridiculing .. but in any case, I think that people do this because somewhere inside they feel guilty about the choice they're making to eat meat when someone in their presence is willfully abstaining. They don't need to think about it when there aren't vegetarians around, but when there are, they use exaggerations and teasing to make it look like the vegetarian is wrong and they are not. There may not be any case for right or wrong; that's not what I'm saying .. just from all my experiences of family members and other folks pulling that crap with me, that's why -I- think they do it, to mask their own guilt. As far as vitamins and nutrients go; from my extensive research on the topic I recommend, no INSIST, that any vegetarians I know take Vitamin B12 supplements daily. As far as the other nutrients, they CAN be obtained through plant foods but if you think that you don't eat a wide spectrum of foods with a wide variety of nutrients then it can't hurt to take a multi-vitamin. There are even some especially for vegetarians. The best website, in my opinion, for current information on this topic is www.veghealth.org ... they have the outlook that they'd rather there be a lot of HEALTHY vegetarians, not a lot of unhealthy attempted vegetarians who just go back to eating meat, so the info they provide is sound and not just trying to make it sound "easy" to be a vegetarian. I get really frustrated when people proliferate myths and other outdated info about vegetarian health.... yeah that's all I have to say about that.
The Lounge	QQQQQuestionnaire!	Jun 13 2006 03:23 (UTC)	8
1. What are you allergic to? Penicillin & similar antibiotics, cats, grass, alcohol 2. Have you ever been in a car accident? I don't think so... oh OK I drove my car into a ditch one time but it was a ditch in the middle of a country road in Northern Ontario. Totally not my fault. 3. What season finale did you HAVE to watch? This is embarassing: the ONLY one I watched (I have but 2 channels) was the series finale of 7th Heaven. 4. How old were you when you bought your first car? 20; and I gave it away less than a year later. I hate cars. 5. Who calls you everyday? Columbia House's collection agency; and at least 2-3 wrong-numbers speaking Cantonese or Mandarin 6. Where were you born? Hamilton, ON 7. When did you start coming to CC? A few weeks ago. 8. Have you ever eaten an insect? Not intentionally... but I camped a lot as a kid, I was a Girl Guide. 9. What is your favourite fruit and veggie? Fruit - tie between kiwi, strawberry and banana; Veggie - bok choy 10. Why do you make my day and answer these questions? :o)I have this weird obessesion with filling these things out.
The Lounge	Canadians...	Jun 13 2006 02:59 (UTC)	49
I'm originally from Hamilton, Ontario; but for the past year I've lived in Vancouver, BC (yes, really Vancouver - East Van to be exact! [represent! lol])
Weight Loss	Craving Donunts....	Jun 13 2006 02:52 (UTC)	4
Here, here to 4kk9's post. On Fridays I have a 400cal cinnamon bun for "brunch". Hey, I eat veggies most of the week; it isn't gonna kill me. :) Whoops, forgot my other tip. Here in Canaduh we have Tim Hortons everywhere and they have Timbits. There must be something like that ...there can't be too many calories in 1 little Timbit, can there? I don't know I don't eat eggs/dairy..
Weight Loss	Emotional Eating	Jun 13 2006 02:24 (UTC)	1
re: Cleaning - If you sweep or wash dishes or tidy out a cupboard but still have cravings that you don't want - clean the toilet! Ha ha. Or your pets litterbox or something else pretty gross! Then eat it if you still want it, ha ha re: Journal - If you don't like the idea of writing to yourself or just don't see the point enough to be motivated to do it - maybe you can find a really good friend or someone to write to either online or whatever. Or pick someone you WOULD love to write all your innermost thoughts to, do it, but then not actually give the letters (journal) to them heheh.
Weight Loss	Really weird question...	Jun 12 2006 03:06 (UTC)	2
I was cursed enough to get stretch marks on my inner thighs and hips as soon as I hit puberty (around 12 or 13) and have had them in other places like my stomach and upper arms ever since just from weight gain (that i'm trying to lose now!). When I was younger and a LOT more concerned about my appearance I tried amost EVERYTHING to get rid of them, including Vitamin E, really expensive creams, regular skin cream, but it doesn't seem that any of that really works. The expensive creams slightly reduce their appearance (whiteness or redness depending), but don't come anywhere close to getting rid of them. I know you can get dermatological laser surgery and it probably works, but man that is probably really expensive. I am of the opinion that at least once I lose these extra pounds, I'll still look a heck of a lot better than I do right now even with the dreaded stretch marks... but hey, if anyone has any tips on getting rid of them, my ears are open! :)
Foods	Soy Delicious	Jun 11 2006 02:02 (UTC)
I've had a bunch of their flavours, but I prefer the ones that come in the pint-size containers opposed to the 1.5 or 2 pint (can't remember). I think they're called "Purely Decadent" (not sure). They're more expensive per 100 grams, but they come in way better flavours.. they're kind of like Hagen Daz, whereas the flavours that come in bigger containers are more like run-of-the-mill ice cream. Reaaaaallly high in fat though! Yikes.
Vegetarian	Why are you vegetarian?	Jun 10 2006 07:46 (UTC)	60
Hmm. I guess I just don't like to assume gender, hence the usage of s/he. Procrastopainted; great word. I've actually heard the term "acutetarianism" a few times before, you sure you made it up? If so, it caught on...! Poobus, I'm vegan in the true sense of the term. Dietary and I don't buy/wear leather, wool, silk, etc. I'm slightly less strict about honey than I used to be, but I still avoid it whenever possible to be consistent and because it does involve some processes I disagree with. That said, I don't like to complicate veganism by pressing both the honey and by-product issues. I'd rather see people give up meat and dairy, than write off the whole thought because they don't want to give up honey. Similarly, confusing people with long lists of animal by-products that are added to foods rather than put into the waste system that they "need" to avoid in order to label themselves a "vegan" also just discourages people from doing the important thing - not eating meat and dairy. If in some utopian world that happened, the by-products simply wouldn't exist. They're really not worth fighting over. That being said, it needs to be clear that dairy is NOT a by-product. Eggs are NOT a by-product. Animals are raised and tortured just for those products.. Anyhow, poobus if you have any specific questions about veg*ism feel free to ask me and I'll help any way I can.
Vegetarian	Why are you vegetarian?	Jun 10 2006 03:12 (UTC)	64
Phimegaphi - Utilitarianism is not the only ethical system that those who have made an educated decision about vegism use. Many (if not most) vegans cannot provide elaborate explanations for their choice. They may be, as you have described yourself, "acutetarians" and just do not want to eat animals because they "looovvee" them. Or, they may be doing it because they have come to the conclusion, through personal experience, that meat and other animal products are "fattening" or otherwise unhealthy. These were the reasons I would provide people for my vegetarianism when I turned at the age of 8. Acutearians: As I got older and was able to at least somewhat comprehend more complex social theories, I have learned to defend my position more elaborately. But this doesn't mean that I think I should have to - if I don't feel like arguing with someone who is criticizing my menu choice, I'll tell them I like animals, I don't want to eat them, and that I don't want to get any fatter. If I have been keeping my mouth shut about what THEY'RE eating, and munching away on my Dragon Bowl, it's my personal choice and I don't need to give anyone any better reason than that for what I do with my life when it affects no one else. But it doesn't stop there. I AM a vegan advocate. Generally, as a rule, I don't engage people in conversations about veganism at the dinner table - especially before they've eaten (people can be awfully grumpy when they're hungry). But if someone wants to, and is capable of, sitting down and having an educated conversation about the ethics of eating animals with me - I am ALWAYS up for it. Utilitarianism: If I were to put myself in the shoes of a vegan utilitarian, I would probably agree to your proposal if the following conditions were met: 1) the people that were ordering vegetarian meals were at a restaurant where they were capable of ordering a half-decent vegetarian meal (not some measley side salad) that would leave them satisfied as well has properly nourished 2) i could order the meat dish, and just not eat it. i'll eat when i get home. i also have to be able to choose what meat dish i ate. for example, a utilitarian would probably consider some sort of seafood as it probably causes less overall harm than some other choices like pork which is made of the 3rd most intelligent animal - the pig. Reasons: Animals, The Environment, and Helping Humans One could, potentially, use utilitarianism to explain why they do not want to kill animals for their own pleasure (eating) as the suffering caused to the animals outweighs the happiness gained by the eater. But as far as environmental, and other concerns that do not directly involve the killing of sentient beings with a potential capacity to feel happiness - utilitarianism is irrelevant - scientific fact is relevant. It is scientfically unrefuteable that the modern meat and dairy industry is detrimental to the environment (for those who are not familiar with the reasons, you'll easily find info using a quick google search). By voting for this industry with your dollar, you are continuing this destruction. That's your decision, and just as you can't "give away" your vote during an election, I won't give away my vote for the environment when I sit down at a restaurant and order a meal. Now I've said repeatedly that I'm not a utilitarian and I suppose it's getting close to time for me to quantify that. As I said in my original post, I have yet to affirm my position on the ethics of killing animals for food if the other conditions for why I became vegan did not exist (environmental destruction, exaggerated cruelty, etc.). However if I had to choose, I would say I lean much closer towards animals' inherent right to life vs. utilitarianism. And if I believe in animals' inherent right to life, then the logical conclusion is that I do not believe that humans have the right to take away that life when it is unnecessary. Thus, I must also believe that there may be some sort of consequence for doing so (karma) in this life (atherosclerosis?) or perhaps an afterlife, and will refuse to make a choice (eating a meat dish) for myself that could affect my karma. Now enough hippie talk. More often than not, generally speaking, eating animals is bad for people, the animals, the environment, and my conscience. So I abstain. ** For those who are going to react to my reaction (as some already have to others'), I'd just like to note a couple things: I felt slightly personally attacked with Phimegaphi's post as s/he used my reasons for veganism in his/her argument. Second, it's important not to confuse lively debate with conflict. - AmethystLavender
Vegetarian	Why are you vegetarian?	Jun 09 2006 07:41 (UTC)	78
I'm vegan, and have been for over 3 years now, for several reasons. Mainly, I refuse to support the factory farming industry for the harm it does to humans (infectious disease such as madcow, birdflu; heart disease; antibacterial resistance due to overmedicating the animals; unsafe working conditions for employees, etc.) and the environment (i.e. rainforest destruction, pollution from animal waste; etc.); and the UNDENIABLE cruelty that the "food" animals are subjected to. What also really bothers me is that people don't realize that factory farming is where meat comes from now. There's no "down home on the farm" anymore. If you buy bacon, it was factory farmed. If you buy hamburger, it was factory farmed - possibly on what used to be a Brazillian rainforest. From the more corporate angle; multinational factory farming corporations either buy out or put out of business any "family farms" that exist, so that many of these old farmers are forced to become factory farmers themselves in order to compete, or just give up. I have explored the ethical implications of eating animals (regardless of their treatment before slaughter) and haven't decided one way or another whether it is right or wrong to eat animals in general; but I know I never would again. Anyways, since this is the new "Vegetarian" forum (yay) I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir so I'll stop there...
Weight Loss	Flavored Water	Jun 07 2006 08:05 (UTC)	2
Pure lemon and lime juice are pretty low cal. I have no problem drinking "plain" water, unless I'm really craving something else like juice or soda... in which case I put an ounce or two of lemon or lime juice in my water. The squeeze of a slice just doesn't do it for me. Like I've said on other threads, I am afraid of artificial sweetners.

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