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| Young Calorie Counters | Is this even possible | Nov 21 2009 14:21 (UTC) |
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1940 for 'sedentary' but the definition of 'sedentary' is someone that doesn't get out of bed all day. http://www.bcm.edu/cnrc/bodycomp/bmiz2.html This site can give you a reasonable estimate of your energy needs if you're realistic about how active you are. A fast metabolism doesn't mean 'limitless energy requirement'. So if you were eating 5000 cals a day and gaining then you were very simply eating too much. If you're taking in 1600 cals you lose weight. Logically therefore, your energy needs are somewhere between the two. Aim for about 2500-3000 and I don't think you'd be far off. BTW..... 5'3 seems pretty short. How tall are your parents? |
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| Young Calorie Counters | Healthy measurements for 14yr old? | Nov 21 2009 14:16 (UTC) |
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There are no such things as 'ideal' measurements because the human body is a variable and individual thing. There is no 'ideal' height... no 'ideal' hair-colour... no 'ideal' shoe-size. If you're in good health and if you have two fully-functioning eyes, ears, arms & legs then count your blessings. Many people don't even have that |
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| Weight Loss | how much is too much for breakfast/lunch or too little for dinner? | Nov 21 2009 14:10 (UTC) |
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There's really no 'right way to eat' and, as long as you get regular meals, you can split things up however you see fit. Whether what you eat keeps you full or not rather depends on the foods you choose. The most filling foods contain plenty of fibre and you'll find protein and fat also make a meal more satisfying. So, rather than 2 x 200 cal 'snacks', if you created one light 400 cal meal including plenty of vegetables, fibrous carbohydrates, lean proteins and a little fat.... a pretty traditional combination.... you'd feel quite satisfied, I'm sure.
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| Weight Loss | Am i doing something wrong? | Nov 20 2009 17:33 (UTC) |
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This is a duplicate thread already posted in 'Young Calorie Counters'.... |
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| Young Calorie Counters | Am i doing something wrong? | Nov 20 2009 17:32 (UTC) |
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If you don't need to lose weight and you want to tone up and strengthen then you don't run a calorie deficit. That's your basic problem. With your current inadequate diet, and because you don't have any spare body-fat, your body will cannibalise lean tissue (muscle) to make up the shortfall in energy This defeats the whole object and will make you ill in the long-run. Work out, using the CC calculator, how many calories you need to maintain your current weight with a 'very active' activity level and take it from there. You're going to find that your total energy needs are in the 2600-3000 region. So the reason you're eating half boxes of muesli etc,. is that 1500 calories is leaving you horribly short of energy and nutrition.... you're just plain hungry in other words. |
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| Weight Loss | i going to need help pulling myself through | Nov 20 2009 15:50 (UTC) |
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There are ways to boost your self-esteem and I think that, if you want to be more successful at controlling your weight, those methods have to go hand in hand with the calorie-counting. Here are some things you can try....
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| Weight Loss | i going to need help pulling myself through | Nov 20 2009 15:12 (UTC) |
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Take note.... anyone that puts nasty tags in facebook is not a friend but a BULLY. You should not tolerate people like that in your life same as you shouldn't tolerate the nasty comments made by your 'massive giant' friend or your mother. They are dragging you down .... don't accept it. At 5'5" (and I really don't care about your ethnicity) 65kgs is a healthy weight. You are not 'huge'. You should not be 'ashamed' of yourself. You do not have 'big guts'. You are not a 'balloon'. As if it's not bad enough that you seem to be surrounded by people that think it's OK to be rude and nasty about your appearance.... you're adding to it by agreeing with them and inventing your own terms of abuse. Why would you do that to yourself? Dieting is not going to solve anything if you have no self-respect. So start standing up for yourself a bit more and let the 'poor me' thing go. Tell some of these so-called 'friends' to piss off and next time your mother says 'don't you ever look in the mirror' have a nice sharp reply ready to hand. End of the day, if we don't like ourselves, what chance have we got? |
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| Young Calorie Counters | Gaining weight like nobody's business! | Nov 20 2009 14:47 (UTC) |
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First thing to acknowledge is that 154lbs is a perfectly healthy weight for someone 5'8". 135lbs was probably too low in the circumstances. So don't panic too much or call yourself names like 'blubber-fish'... it's not necessary to hurl abuse. When in doubt, start from first principles. i.e. work out what calories you're getting at the moment and how many you need in order to maintain or lose weight. You say you 'probably' eat 'around' 2200 cals... so rather than guessing, keep an accurate food diary for a week and see what the score really is. Weigh and measure foods rather than judging by eye. Record everything that passes your lips. Active people your size don't gain weight on 2200 unless there's something badly wrong. The calories you need to maintain can be worked out using the CC calculator or, if you're under 21, this link.... http://www.bcm.edu/cnrc/bodycomp/bmiz2.html. You'd qualify as 'very active' I would suggest. Once you have the full picture then you can decide what, if anything, you should do next. |
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| Weight Loss | Please help..desperate to lose weight | Nov 20 2009 13:08 (UTC) |
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| Motivation | I always think I'm done with binge eating but i never am :( help | Nov 20 2009 12:16 (UTC) |
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I think you should talk to your doctor about the chronic fatigue. And there are two other areas you should look at. First.... 2000 cals a day. If you're still 5'3", 122lbs and doing a lot of physical exercise it's almost certainly not enough. Maybe if you added an extra 500 calories you'd find that you weren't so fatigued and you didn't end up overeating as a result. Second..... What is the nutrition like from your food? Specifically things like iron, B vitamins and so forth. I note from another post that you eat a lot of protein powder.... that stuff isn't very nutritious even if it's high in protein. Even a mild shortage of key vitamins can lead to fatigue. Run your food choices through the CC analysis and see if you're getting your full requirement of key nutrients. If not, take steps to address it, get more of your calories from 'real food' and also consider a daily multivitamin as a short-term stop gap. |
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| Weight Loss | I'm probably doing it wrong. | Nov 20 2009 12:01 (UTC) |
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Yes, you're doing it the wrong way. With a BMI of 22 you're actually a perfectly healthy weight. And therefore you'll get the best results not by drastically cutting calories but by increasing the amount of activity you get and coupling that with a slightly lighter but much healthier diet. It will also make it less likely that you slip back into old behaviour patterns.... always a danger when people like yourself try to lose weight. From now on aim to get about half an hour a day of some kind of physcial exercise. Walking is as good as anything. And, if you're going to count calories, set your intake at about 1500-1600... no lower. Finally, make sure you eat regularly and base your meals around vegetables and other wholesome foods. But do stop starving yourself.... that acheives nothing. |
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| Weight Loss | i going to need help pulling myself through | Nov 20 2009 11:38 (UTC) |
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I think the first thing you should probably do is to stop dieting for a while. Clearly, it's not having the desired effect if you're gaining rather than losing. You're panicking which won't help either. People with tendencies to overeat have to be very careful how they approach weight-loss. Because, of course, a big trigger for overeating is to get hungry.... and that tends to be a feature of most 'diets'. I don't know how tall you are. 65kgs would be a perfectly good weight if you were 5'6" for example... and even if you're shorter than that you're hardly a 'massive giant'. So work out what your total energy needs are to maintain your current weight. Then make sure you get that energy from regular meals and good, wholesome foods. If you're planning to do more exericse, match it with more food or you'll end up bingeing again. If you stop restricting calories in general you'll find the urge to overeat probably quietens down. If your diet contains better nourishment you'll feel more satisfied and happier. Finally.... don't hide yourself away. Once body-weight starts impacting on your ability to lead a normal life then you are on a slippery slope. Old friends will want to meet you regardless. |
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| Foods | Sick of sandwiches! | Nov 19 2009 15:59 (UTC) |
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To make sandwiches more interesting try using different types of bread.... rolls, pittas, wraps etc.... and getting more creative with the fillings. Otherwise there's a lot you can do with home-made pasta, bean or rice salads. If you have access to a microwave you could parcel up a spare portion of whatever you have for supper and heat it up. Or you could invest in a wide-necked thermos and take along some chunky soups for a change. |
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| Weight Loss | exercise defecit | Nov 19 2009 15:41 (UTC) |
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If you regularly go to the gym for half an hour more than three times a week then set your activity level to 'light'. If you're planning to go to the gym for about an hour, more than three times a week, than that then set it to 'moderate'. If you're planning to go most days for more than an hour then set it to 'very active'. OR You can just add your activity individually. |
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| Weight Loss | exercise defecit | Nov 19 2009 15:29 (UTC) |
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Enter your stats into the CC calculator and then add your exercise via the exercise log. On your home page you'll find your total burn is now in the blue box.... it's the smaller of the two numbers ('total estimate'). Maintain a difference of about 700 between this number and the amount you eat. i.e. if you use up 2400 cals a day, make sure you eat 1700. This assumes you need to lose weight, of course. |
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| Health & Support | Just need a little encouragement... | Nov 19 2009 15:25 (UTC) |
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Original Post by hphphp62442:
Your sister is not you. Your body is not your sister's body. The only person that can judge if it's safe for you to exercise is your doctor. Not me, not you, not your sister, not anyone else.... your doctor. If you were to do any exercise, of course, that 2500 cals would need to become 3500-4500.... If that's not something you can see happening, wait until your weight has come up. |
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| Health & Support | Just need a little encouragement... | Nov 19 2009 15:24 (UTC) |
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Original Post by hphphp62442: You need to learn to judge meals by a combination of food type and portion-size. A 'portion' of carbohydrate is a remarkably consistent calorie-count for example whether it's pasta, rice, noodles or mashed potato. Augment your meal with lots of dressing/sauces.... a bread roll with butter.... a big glass of OJ or milk.... you can really go to town in a cafeteria. 2500 is only a minimum intake, of course. Regarding hypermetabolism... cross that bridge when/if you come to it. It may never happen There are no unhealthy foods... only unhealthy diets. If you can get over your problem with the cafeteria I think you'd feel and look a lot better. |
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| Weight Loss | Why? | Nov 19 2009 15:16 (UTC) |
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Bodies do change over time. But I think it's more that priorities can change over time as well. You'll find a lot of younger women will aim for a particular weight for cosmetic reasons whereas older women might be more likely to aim for a particular weight for health reasons. It does become harder to lose weight as you get older because you naturally use a little less energy than younger people. Older people might therefore decide it's not worth the inconvenience & hard work required simply to achieve some mythical ideal weight. Younger people might find it a little easier. (31 isn't old, of course) It's not a universal rule, by any means! For example, my mother who is 71 has been 8st (or 112lbs) pretty much her whole life. She never let herself get overweight which has arguably made the job easier. |
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| Maintaining | I really don't see how my brother does it | Nov 19 2009 14:23 (UTC) |
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If you really want to know what's going on try putting your brother's stats into this chart and reading off the numbers for a 'very active' person his age and size.... http://www.bcm.edu/cnrc/bodycomp/bmiz2.html You'll find that 4000 cals a day really wouldn't be that unusual for a very active kid who's body is still developing. Doesn't actually matter if it's 'junk'... energy is energy at the end of the day. However, at some stage (mid-late twenties) he'll find that a junky diet, a slight slow-down in the metabolism from 'teen' to 'adult' and a more sedentary lifestyle can very easily turn into rolls of unwanted flab and a cholesterol problem. He's not 'exempt' he's just young.
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| Weight Gain | How much fat on weight gain diet-sat and unsaturated/ | Nov 19 2009 14:13 (UTC) |
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Being underweight is by far a bigger immediate hazard to your health than any amount of fat. Generally speaking, forget the macronutrient breakdown and simply make sure you get to the calorie target by hook or by crook. If you're to physically eat enough energy to gain weight and not be faced with meals the size of a basketball then, by definition, a lot of that energy will come from fat. |
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| Motivation | Weight,obsessiveness and depression | Nov 19 2009 13:40 (UTC) |
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Never mind your 'stats'.... This is not really about body-shape or size or weight. This is about self-esteem & confidence - both of which you are lacking for some reason. Being a healthy weight is obviously a sensible goal but you're absolutely right to think that being slimmer in no way means that you instantly acquire self-esteem or confidence. That's something you have to work on independently. And 'attractiveness' has nothing to do with size or shape either. Have you ever heard the expression 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder?'..... well it's true. If it were not true, only women of a particular size would be given a license to breed. LOL! Attractiveness is very much tied up with confidence and self-esteem. The relaxed, smiling girl - fat or thin - who has something intelligent to say for herself, is interested in others and who is pleasant to talk to is the one that gets the boyfriend. The miserable, boring one, sat in the corner too terrified to utter a sound is the 'wallflower' everyone walks past - whether she's fat or thin, nice-looking or not So at the same time as working on being a healthy weight you can work on your self-esteem... Some tips.
Good luck
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| Motivation | Is there something wrong with me??? | Nov 19 2009 13:27 (UTC) |
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Original Post by rossiboy: Yes, you've hit the nail on the head. Talk to your doctor in the first instance, explain everything exactly as you have above and ask to be referred to the appropriate support - dieticians, psychotherapists etc. A very quick test to judge if you should seek help for possible disordered eating is the 'SCOFF' test . If you can answer 'yes' to two or more of the following then that should prompt you to seek professional advice.
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| Vegetarian | I love you, now get that out of my face. | Nov 19 2009 13:20 (UTC) |
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You're talking about children..... Children will take the mickey out of anyone or anything that's different for the sole reason that it's different. Red hair, glasses, fat, thin, not wearing the right trainers, not being good at sport. All kids do it. If you've never made fun of anyone for being different, I'd be very surprised. The more you react (and that includes patient explanations, I'm afraid), the more they'll make fun of you. That's how it works in the playground and amongst immature groups of people elsewhere. It'll die down if you ignore them, stop reacting and when they get bored... In the meantime, revise who you consider 'friends'.... |
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| Maintaining | Did I just eat an entire box of cereal? Why yes. Yes I did. | Nov 19 2009 13:07 (UTC) |
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shane_paladin... Yes, many normal people occasionally over-indulge for no better reason than they just feel like it. However, rather than dealing with the theoretical why don't you read the specific situation presented? What tini87 is doing by routinely undereating is absolutely setting herself up to overeat. The overeating is the symptom of the problem (undereating) .... rather than the problem itself. |
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| Health & Support | Just need a little encouragement... | Nov 19 2009 10:57 (UTC) |
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Original Post by hphphp62442: Slap in the face? ... You're talking about Thanksgiving so why show up looking like something left over from Hallowe'en and put everyone off their pumpkin pie? What would your family rather see? Painfully thin, obviously still horribly sick and not getting any better you? Or someone that looks more like they're on the road to recovery? I'm guessing the latter..... |
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| Young Calorie Counters | How much do you think I burn??? | Nov 19 2009 10:54 (UTC) |
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http://www.bcm.edu/cnrc/bodycomp/bmiz2.html Listen to hedgren.... and check your stats through this website. 'Activity' means anything that's not sitting down... not simply formal exercise. You'd be classed as 'light' at the moment but, given your age, I would encourage you to try to get 1 hour a day physical exercise from now on and get yourself up to 'moderate'. Do you have a bicycle, for example? Going for a bike-ride after school every evening would be an excellent way of getting more exercise |
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| Young Calorie Counters | Unsupportive friends and family... | Nov 19 2009 10:46 (UTC) |
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The problem here is that you're a young girl and you're not overweight. Being 14 means that your body is in a state of flux between being a 'girl' and progressing to being a 'woman'. If you're not actually overweight, it's a really bad idea to calorie-restrict during puberty because, if you're not careful, you can upset the way your body develops. This is what your family is concerned about. That and the ever-present spectre of eating disorders. You say on your profile that you tried 'eating nothing for a day and overeating the next'... so you've already demonstrated that you're a candidate for disordered eating. They see a perfectly healthy girl turning down ordinary foods like a little ice-cream or a few chips and the alarm bells will of course start to ring. You don't have to calorie-count. Instead try the following.
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| Young Calorie Counters | Does This Sound Thin? Advice on How To Lose? | Nov 19 2009 10:35 (UTC) |
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Original Post by tmill91: http://www.bcm.edu/cnrc/bodycomp/bmiz2.html Rather than guessing, run your stats through this chart and read off the daily energy requirement that corresponds to how active you typically are. NB.... 'activity' means walking around, cycling, swimming, dancing... anything that's not sitting down, in other words. Not just formal exercise. You'll find that it's something around 2200 cals a day if you like to work out. If you choose a broad selection of good quality foods including plenty of vegetables, oils, dairy, meat, fish, grains etc.... then you'll find that you are very well-nourished on that amount to eat. If your 'thighs are uncomfortable in your pants' because you're a healthy weight then buy new pants..... If you feel the urge to get thinner then that just means your eating disorder is alive, well and trying to kill you or at least ruin your life again. So go back to your treatment team if that's the case. CC is not an ED website and cannot provide support for members with EDs unless they are in active recovery.
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| Young Calorie Counters | I just used the teen calculator - is that REALLY how much I'm burning?? | Nov 19 2009 10:27 (UTC) |
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It's true. There's some kind of weird taboo I've noticed that people have about the idea of '2000 calories'. As if it's some massive amount of food. LOL! When, in fact, 2000 is not a heavy diet in the slightest and would keep the average adult woman (over 21) who is lightly active at the same weight and well-nourished. Because you're just under 21 and because you're a lot more than lightly active then 2300-2800 absolutely isn't unreasonable.
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| Maintaining | Did I just eat an entire box of cereal? Why yes. Yes I did. | Nov 19 2009 10:12 (UTC) |
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Original Post by tini87: Reality check.... Someone with your stats and who is lightly active needs about 2000-2200 cals a day to maintain their weight and be well-nourished. Because you're routinely depriving yourself of about 3000-4000 cals a week don't be surprised if you end up eating entire boxes of cereals. Increase to 2000, let your body get accustomed to that amount of food, allow any gains to level off... and then you will be better nourished on an ongoing basis and less likely to be eating entire boxes of cereals. A very common cause of bingeing is people trying maintain too low a weight... because they can only do so by keeping themselves in a state of mild malnutrition. It's not the bingeing that's the problem.... it's the malnutrition that's the problem. Now you know the score you can decide what to do for the best. |
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