Posts by manewell

Forum	Topic	Date	Replies

Weight Loss	Frustrated- please help	May 06 2007 04:54 (UTC)	7
kbattr, if you aren't counting calories, you may be taking in more than you think. Most people overestimate their calorie consumption. If you are counting calories, your body just may take awhile to get started. If you are eating a balanced diet, getting all of your vitamins and minerals and enough fiber -- just be patient, the weight will come off. Or, you may want to take a look at Dr. Furhman's "Eat to Live" book. He argues that people who have a really hard time losing weight (which may include you) should totally do without food from animal sources and grains for 6 weeks, then go to a life program of 90% of calories from plant sources (whole foods) and only 10% from animal sources. He cites a lot of research and studies to back up his theories. His life program is what I'm on now -- but I had to make very little modification to my own diet as I was already eating a lot of whole foods from plant sources and very little meat. I did have to cut back on dairy some to fit it into the 10% range, but I also needed to increase my consumption of raw vegetables, so I replaced some of the dairy with more salads.
Weight Loss	I ate 2500+cal and lots of water today, but not bloated at all,,,	May 06 2007 04:42 (UTC)
lollipopdrops, are you intentionally limiting your calories to 1200 a day?
Weight Loss	Hyrdration level fluctuations Related to weight loss	May 06 2007 04:40 (UTC)
anxious, do you follow Dr. Furhman's Eat to Live life program? He uses the 90% from whole foods from plant sources.
Weight Loss	Can you make up your calories?	May 06 2007 02:51 (UTC)
ajtimes, I don't think the body is on a weekly cycle -- more like a 2-3 day cycle. some experts say it takes 3 days for the food we eat in excess to actually be deposited as fat.
Weight Loss	apple cider Vinegar and weight loss	May 06 2007 02:46 (UTC)	19
I don't think it would hurt, but I don't think it's necessary. I think the best formula for permanent weight loss is good nutriton + the proper amount of calories + good exercise.
Weight Loss	exercise?	May 06 2007 02:43 (UTC)	1
dancer, you will know in a few days if you gained any weight over it. Was there a particular reason you ate 3000 calories today? a binge? a special event?
Weight Loss	aah?! too quick weight loss?	May 06 2007 02:13 (UTC)	3
hockeyreading, the quick weight loss is not a bad thing if you are getting a good, nutritious diet. As each of the previous posters said, initially you can have a quick weight loss and then it slows down. You may also experience a more rapid weight loss at various stages along the way -- sometimes the body just gets a mind to start burning fat. Just count your blessings . . .
Weight Loss	Gross but true (bathroom #2)	May 06 2007 02:10 (UTC)	2
agavioli, the ideal is to have a bm for each meal you eat, so if you eat 6 times a day, then you could ideally have 6 bm's a day. so even 6 a day is not extreme. and your system may be cleaning itself out -- getting rid of stuff that's just been sitting around. that is definitely good.
Weight Loss	Really now.... about teenagers undereating. not good.	May 06 2007 02:03 (UTC)
pandajenn, apology accepted. I sincerely have no intention of ever encouraging anyone to go on a starvation diet or to promote EDs.
Weight Loss	Really now.... about teenagers undereating. not good.	May 06 2007 00:40 (UTC)	2
hkellick, with all due respect, I checked to see if pandajenn's name was listed as a moderator for the weight loss forum, and she is not. There is no way I could know that she was a moderator. If you want members to respect other members as moderators, then you have to make it publicly known that he or she is a moderator. I certainly will give pandajenn the respect she deserves as a moderator, but I also expect respect back from her. I take it personally simply because my posts have been so misrepresented by pandajenn. I expect pandajenn to acknowledge that she misrepresented what I posted. When you mischaracterize in public, you should apologize in public.
Weight Loss	Really now.... about teenagers undereating. not good.	May 05 2007 23:13 (UTC)	4
you know what, pandajenn, you have so misrepresented what I have said, that it simply isn't worth the time to try and straighten you out, because you will simply misread and misrepresent it again. I trust I will hear from the management if any of them believes I am promoting starvation diets or othewise violating their posting policies.
Weight Loss	drink warm water	May 05 2007 22:07 (UTC)	9
I've read that the difference in metabolism from drinking ice cold water is very minimal. I had a teacher about 4th grade that made it a daily requirement (graded) to drink a glass of warm water every night. She said it helped with regularity. I prefer room temp water
Weight Loss	help- what can i eat	May 05 2007 21:57 (UTC)	5
by carbs do you mean processed foods? Carbs include a huge variety of foods -- all very good for you. Go to whfoods.org and look at their world's healthiest foods list, and I think you will see that your choices are numerous.
Weight Loss	BMI is sooo confusing!!!	May 05 2007 21:53 (UTC)	1
celtic, you can lose more weight and still be healthy. And there is a way to lose the weight healthfully. You may want to look into Dr. Furhman's Eat to Live book. He promotes a very healthy approach to losing weight, and specifically addresses what it takes to lose that little bit of extra when you are already theoretically at normal weight. His basic program is to have 90% of your calories from whole food plant sources, and only 10% from animal sources. However, for those with stubborn weight to lose, or who just can't seem to lose weight at all, he recommends a 6-week stricter program which eliminates all foods from animal sources, as well as all grains. Then, when the 6 weeks is over, switch back to his 90/10 life program. I was slowly losing at the weight of 1 lb per week, which was satisfactory. Since starting the 90/10 program on Wednesday, I've lost 2.2 lbs. Could be a coincidence, and could be very short-term -- time will tell. You may be able to pick up his book from a library. He not only gives details about his life program and 6-weeks program, but the scientific evidence that supports them.
Weight Loss	Really now.... about teenagers undereating. not good.	May 05 2007 20:47 (UTC)	6
pandajenn, for you to say that I restrict myself to 900 calories a day is to display absolute ignorance about my program. I post fairly frequently, so either you haven't read many of the threads, or you are intentionally ignoring what I am saying. If the managers of this bb wish me to remove myself as a member on the asinine accusation that I promote EDs, I will gladly do so. Every bb has the right to maintain its own standard. But as long as I am a member, I stand by my opinions -- the number 1200 is recommended by the medical establishment because diets under that are generally not nutritious enough to support good health. HOWEVER, that is because the American public relies so much on processed foods and is absolutely clueless how nutritional whole foods are, and how much easier it is to reduce your calories when you depend primarily on whole foods from plant sources. And the medical profession is almost as clueless as the American public.
Weight Loss	Really now.... about teenagers undereating. not good.	May 05 2007 20:07 (UTC)	9
yak said: manewell, you do emphasize nutrition. but pulling a number like 900 out to illustrate your point is not a good one, because it is below minimum calorie recommendations for the majority of people. People who are trying to find justification in eating too low will see the 900 and think "See, 900 is ok" when clearly it is not for most people. That is my point. Yak, that is precisely my objection to allowing ED teens on a public weight loss bb. They are so prone to take justification for their eating disorder when no such justification exists. They will not see the emphasis on nutritional quality -- they will only see the 900 number.
Weight Loss	Low calorie, low fat but high carbs! What do I eat?	May 05 2007 19:54 (UTC)	1
Carbs are anything from the plant kingdom -- which includes literally thousands of different food choices, so no one should ever be eating food they do not enjoy. You will do much better at achieving low calorie if your diet is predominantly plant source, simply because plant source foods are much lower in calories than animal source foods. plant foods are carbs, but not 100% carbs. Even fruits have some protein and fats. some vegetables are as high as 50% protein. beans are a good source of protein and fats -- the good fats.
Weight Loss	how many calories is safe	May 05 2007 19:49 (UTC)	1
smurf, whether your choice of 1200 calories is a wise one depends on how you answer these questions: 1. Are you getting good nutrition for your calories? Is your nutrition from whole foods, or from processed foods? You need to be sure you are getting balanced nutrition -- all of the vitamins and minerals -- from your diet. 2. Can you eat this way for the rest of your life? You have to ask yourself that because over the months, your metabolism will adjust to the 1200 calories, and then when you reach goal weight, you may find yourself doing some rebound gaining when you try to eat more calories. That will be okay, just be prepared for it and don't psyche out and start overeating again. If the answer to either of these questions is NO, then you would be better off to up your calories and take a slower approach to losing weight.
Weight Loss	Really now.... about teenagers undereating. not good.	May 05 2007 17:52 (UTC)	12
ladyofthehighway -- I respectfully disagree. The nutritional impact from a food based at least 90% on whole foods from plant sources is the best kept secret in America. kole, I wouldn't ever go vegan, but I have for several months been very low on meat -- probably not more than 6 oz total a week. My 1350-1550 calories was primarily plant foods, with some low-fat dairy. After reading Dr. Furhman's Eat to Live book, I decided on Wednesday to take his advice and restrict all foods from animal sources to 10% of my calorie consumption. I have totally eliminated "meat" and have reduced my dairy consumption to fit into the 10% rule. It may be sheer coincidence, but my weight loss has accelerated. It is very easy to live the 90/10 rule here in CA, as so many fruits are now coming into season, and we have a very good, reasonably priced fruit/vegetable market that we buy from. I certainly don't have any trouble eating the 4-5 fresh fruits per day that he recommends at any season here in CA. His other "rule" is to have 1 lb of raw vegetables per day and l lb of cooked. I can do the cooked quite easy, but the raw is still a challenge. But I will work up to it.
Weight Loss	Biggest loser show	May 05 2007 17:38 (UTC)
justsee, as already noted, these people on the show are morbidly obese and super obese, and have serious health risks from their obesity. The threats posed by losing weight quickly are offset by the much greater risks of staying the same weight. And even if they do put some weight back on, they still have seriously reduced their health risks. I prefer to be more optimistic -- and hope that they all keep all of the weight loss off for the rest of their lives. And, how they did it was not the 'easy way' -- it is perhaps the hardest way of all to lose.
Weight Loss	Eating out is not the problem...	May 05 2007 17:24 (UTC)	8
dzie, I can relate -- plaidpooka is right, you have to train yourself to reach for the healthy snacks -- preferably whole foods from plant sources -- such as baby carrots, or fresh fruit. They not only provide good nutrition, but they keep you chewing for awhile -- and chewing itself helps curb those cravings. another suggestion is to look at what makes up your main diet. If you are still eating a lot of processed foods, start replacing them with whole foods. Choose foods you like -- don't try to force yourself to eat foods you don't like. The Plant kingdom offers such a huge variety of very healthy foods to choose from, no one need suffer through a diet of foods they don't like. the more whole foods you eat, over time, the more your tastes and food preferences change to WANT more whole foods. That is a very good sign that your body is becoming healthy and kicking it's unnatural addictions.
Weight Loss	I need sugar	May 05 2007 17:16 (UTC)	12
I have had very good success with a diet high in whole foods from Plant sources -- whole grains, fresh fruits, vegetables. It has totally kicked my stress eating, cravings, and binge eating. I believe Nature gave us a sweet tooth on purpose, so we would want the foods that provide excellent nutrition. Eating a lot of whole grains, fresh fruits and vegetables is especially important on a 1200 calorie diet -- to ensure that you get excellent nutrition. Dr. Furhman, author of Eat to Live, recommends 1 lb of raw vegetables and 1 lb of cooked vegetables every day, plus 4-5 fruits. I personally find it difficult to eat 1 lb of raw per day, but I am working towards that as a goal. For whole grains, be sure you read the labels. A lot of bread is advertised as "whole wheat" when it is still a processed food. Best wishes for great success in your efforts to lose weight.
Weight Loss	Needed Calories or OverEating?	May 05 2007 07:18 (UTC)	4
kylee, you may not be experiencing true hunger. I googled true hunger and this is the first article that popped up. http://www.enotalone.com/article/3777.html It explains all of the other symptoms we mistake for hunger. I suggest you read it, and then also google for more articles on the subject.
Weight Loss	Really now.... about teenagers undereating. not good.	May 05 2007 04:53 (UTC)	17
yak, I tossed out that number to make a point -- that calorie NUMBER isn't the all determining factor, and people shouldn't judge the quality of a diet SIMPLY by the number of calories it has. I'll use the car analogy again. Some cars are manufactured to go 40 miles to the gallon. You can fill the tank (number of calories) but if you use junk gas, you aren't going to get 40 miles per gallon. Let's say the gas tank holds 20 gallons. If you put in 20 gallons of junk you are going to get only 20 mpg, then you can only go 400 miles. But if you put in 10 gallons of premium gasoline, you will still be able to go 400 miles. And you will have saved yourself the cost of 10 gallons of gas. You are saying, arbitrarily, that if you put in 20 gallons you WILL always be better off than if you only put in 10 gallons, and that simply is not so. Nutrients affect our body's ability to use the calories we consume more efficiently. The proper balance of nutrients creates a synergy. If you don't know the meaning of "synergy" please look it up, as it is a very important concept in biological functions. I have frequently said, it is very difficult for the average person to get a nutritious diet from 1200 calories. Why? Not because it isn't possible to get excellent nutrition from 1200 calories, but because the average person's tastes and preferences are not for the foods that are super nutritious. They still want their "treat and cheat" foods. They still rely on processed foods. They still are addicted to sweets and artificial sweeteners. However, going on a diet based 90% on whole foods from Plant sources, and only 10% from animal sources NATURALLY produces a low-calorie diet. And a very healthy, nutritious diet. Even some vegans do not eat whole foods -- they eat processed foods from plant sources. They can't do less than 1200 calories for the same reason that the average American can't -- simply because they aren't eating getting enough nutrition from their calories. It's all about nutritional density and the synergy that excellent nutrition brings about in the body, enabling it to function better on fewer calories.
Weight Loss	Really now.... about teenagers undereating. not good.	May 05 2007 02:36 (UTC)	20
yak asked: manewell, really how can you advocate a 900 calorie diet without any qualification, even if it is high nutrition? The medical community doesn't advocate eating less if you eat high nutrition. Even the calorie restriction advocates only recommend eating maybe 20% less than they burn but not indefinite weight loss. and your qualifications are? for every source you cite that says 1200/1500 is the absolute minimum, I can quote one that says it all depends on the nutritional value of the diet, not just the calories. You can pit "expert" against "expert" till the cows come home, and what does it prove? Nothing. And, I don't *advocate* anything except a diet based on whole foods primarily from plant sources.
Weight Loss	Really now.... about teenagers undereating. not good.	May 05 2007 00:16 (UTC)	25
kole is absolutely right, in my opinion. It's not the calorie number that we should be concerned about. Some posters list their menus for the day, and they are getting much more than 1200 calories, but they can get better nutrition on fewer calories. I have my calorie budget as 1350-1550, but I could get just as good nutrition for fewer calories if I enjoyed the nutrition packed foods, like kale. And if I enjoyed eating more raw vegetables. But I don't, so the same nutrition costs me more calories. The only reason people want a higher metabolism is because they want to be able to eat more food. Preferably, more "treat and cheat" food. A 900 calorie a day diet of whole plant foods -- fresh fruits, vegetables, and grains -- is going to be much more nutritious than an 1800 calorie a day diet of processed foods (and yes, Fiber One is a processed food, to give just one example) and artificial sweeteners. just my vent . . .
Weight Loss	Chinese slimming tea	May 04 2007 07:48 (UTC)
The only fattening carbs are refined, processed carbs, and the quicker you get them out of your diet, the better off you will be. and you don't need a tea from china to do that.
Weight Loss	New to calorie counting	May 04 2007 06:42 (UTC)	2
cam, I also congratulate you on your decision to lose the weight. I topped out at 255 (a conservative estimate) and am only 4'11. I am going to disagree with ajtimes, however, and recommend that you not eat back your exercise calories. 1800 calories is a very liberal calorie budget. You can get excellent nutrition from 1800 calories. And as you lose weight, your deficit will naturally narrow, anyway. good luck -- I'm down to 175, 80 lbs gone forever (knock on wood)!
Weight Loss	Fruit and veggie diet... safe or not?	May 04 2007 05:54 (UTC)	1
plankcm, you like many millions of people, and like me up until a few weeks ago, mistakenly underestimate the nutrition in vegetables and fruits. All plant foods are a mixture of carbs, protein, and fats. Bananas are about 3.5% protein, about the same as mother's milk. Fruits and starchy vegetables are predominantly carb, but also have protein and fats. Green vegetables are about half protein, a quarter carb, and a quarter fat. legumes are about half carb, a quarter protein, and a quarter fat. Soybeans have the omega 3 fat. so do walnuts and flaxseed. I do believe, however, that grains and legumes should also be consumed, along with fruits and vegetables. I am currently on a 90/10 program -- At least 90% from plant products and 10% or less from animal products.
Weight Loss	Skeptical about starvation mode.	May 04 2007 05:37 (UTC)	99
Some people confuse the two functions of calories. One is to provide the body with energy. The second is to provide it with nutrition. The body has an amazing ability to adapt to decreases in energy, ergo slowing the metabolism down. However, the body does not do as well with deficient nutrition. It still continues to operate, but the seeds are planted for a lot of health problems later in life, including cancer, heart disease, etc. A predominantly plant-food diet is not low-calorie by choice, it's low-calorie by nature. Plant products simply are much denser nutritionally per calorie than animal products. So if a person is on a very low-calorie diet that is plant-food based, they are much likelier getting better nutrition than the average American consuming 2-3 times more calories. IMO, nutrition is a much more important factor in a "healthy" diet than the number of calories.

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