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Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 30 2008
15:33 (UTC)
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risabella, thanks for responding. of course we all have different motivations for bingeing and they appear to be in a range from undereating to emotional eating. And, altho I am sure that on occassion I may have undereaten thereby causing myself to overeat, when I experience it, my motivation is typically due to emotional eating.

Just for clarity, it's not that those of us who are emotional eaters have emotional problems outside of the norm (after all, normal is different for everyone), it's just that we turn to food in order to avoid feeling strong emotions. Those emotions are fear-filled.

From now on, I'm going to identify myself on this chat as an emotional overeater. I think the issues are pretty different than for someone who is just undereating...
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 29 2008
16:05 (UTC)
9
WOW, horsinaround23, that is way cool! I need an off/on switch.

ilovechai, that's me, too, but I figure that I'm on a general trend DOWN and that's all that matters. everyone local reminds me that the longer it takes to lose the weight/to change the habits, the more likely it is that there will be lasting results.

One more reason to eat more slowly (thereby consuming LESS): the esophagus wears out w/abuse...gerd/acid reflux can happen and does to many of us as we age. gerd is really the stomach acids heading north and wearing out the protective lining on the esophagus. yikes!

Just one more interesting thing to consider.

today I am finally back on something that resembles healthy eating. take care, all!
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 28 2008
23:34 (UTC)
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sugarplumbum, don't despair. What goes on can also come off. choose healthy foods and eat when hungry, drink plenty of water and be active both socially and physically. it sounds like you lost that 30# too quickly. don't 'diet' anymore...that's how people screw up. just eat sensibly. your body will find its optimum in time. remember that: IN TIME. It takes time to develop those healthy habits and time for ones body to adjust to them.

i have gained 2#. That is surprising considering I'm just coming down from a never-ending wildly out of control episode. I say it was wildly out of control but, hey, not like its ever been before. for one thing, i wasn't chowing down on hohos and mocha mochas...yes, I did have one coffee in the past two weeks w/soymilk and lite. but one didn't beget another. AND my calorie consumption was more than I've grown used to but certainly NOT anywhere close to where it was when it was the total out of control ME. and I was still active...socially and physically. so, many, many kudos to me because I think some of the changes I've made are permanent.

so, my first goal is to lose 21# over the next 7 months. that is 3# a month. This will be so interesting to me to see where I end up by next May 1.

My secondary goal is to have a big garden by next year w/lots of veggies to share w/the FOOD BANK.
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 27 2008
15:02 (UTC)
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hsegdash, thanks for responding! So, you're inclined to overeat due to stress. Have you tried replacing that behavior w/a more positive one? for instance, getting a light healthy snack or just a glass of water and heading back out the door to walk off the stress? if so, does this work for you? Your other concern is that you are in an environment that encourages overeating/poor choices. That one is tougher and can add to the stress. I think I've read that if you fill your plate once and eat that and then pick yourself up and remove yourself from the table and the room, the longer you absent yourself, the less likely you will overeat. does that make sense for you? is that something you have tried?

I think there are behavioral changes that one can make, like making sure to eat healthy foods at certain intervals, dictated by one's body's needs but then there's this monster that needs to be fed.

I lost 7# and then gained back 2 due to emotional eating. I'm realizing that more than anything I want to lose more. I really do! It's time and I want to understand bingeing in total. For me it's loneliness that ties me up. I know I eat to fill that emotion. It's not easy when you can see your bum behavior but can't quite reach it.

Ah, well, anyone else want to climb on the chopping block and be dissected by an amatuer?
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 27 2008
11:46 (UTC)
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I think emotions have EVERYTHING to do w/my overeating. That's my final decision. I think my emotions (especially guilt feelings that I find really confusing when they hit!) undermine healthy choices/determine my purchases. Once I'm on that track where I've purchased something unhealthy, then I'm sliding downhill from there...NOT eating the veggies/fruit/whole grains and THAT leads me to the overeating.

Anyone else out there think their binge behavior is at least in part controlled by their emotions?

And, on the flipside, anyone out there that believes emotions have nothing to do with their binge behavior?

I'm just looking for input/discussion. All comments welcome.
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 13 2008
16:26 (UTC)
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jenny...wondering how your weekend is going? weekends can be tough. sometimes I think that it helps to have a weekend committment...I do my volunteer work on the weekend.

gotta run...but hope to hear from you, Jenny! there are others out there who have tough time on weekend...you aren't alone!
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 12 2008
12:22 (UTC)
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tothestars, don't be ashamed. that's the pits. Let yourself get right back up on it...reclaim the healthy behaviors, move in that general direction that makes you feel a lot of self-love. do everything you can do get over that hump because you can't change yesterday but you can challenge tomorrow.

these down-turns are going to happen...to EVERYBODY. It's what you DO w/them that makes the difference.

emrldfantasy...I know what that feels like. I've decided to back away from my 'friend'. he has tried it once, shame on him. if I allow it to happen again, shame on me. do you know that saying? get yourself away from the situation...find a supportive, communicative counselor if you have to. don't let it happen again. you can change your behaviors anytime.

today's a new day, people! I have lost 6# this month and I am NOT going back. I will post a lot in the next few days, tracking how I do in committing to this. Take care ALL!
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 11 2008
21:53 (UTC)
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shoot...I just had an out and out total binge day. this was one big stressor gone wild.
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 10 2008
23:54 (UTC)
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ilovechai...I'm not hearing binge in your behavior! It's kosher! Enjoy the pb on occassion. It's okay to eat a little more one day than another, too. your body's needs will fluctuate one day to another. you are doing great!
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 09 2008
20:24 (UTC)
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deflepfan, the first thing to learn, is that if you punish yourself w/feelings of guilt you will only feed the behavior. So, NO GUILT! Also, you have to realize that everyone hear goes through the same behavior. No matter how awful you think your day or week was, there are some of us out there who can relate at any given time! You are not alone.

So, make up your mind to look at it objectively. This is only a process of changing bad behavior into beneficial behavior. Stop punishing yourself w/guilt and stop feeding the monster...he thrives on guilt!

The next trick is to start loving your fruits and veggies and whole grains! Learn to really love the preparation and the textures and the tastes and their origins and relationships. You can really change your taste preferences. Get away from processed foods.

All of this is a process that takes time, deflepfan. Give yourself a break! you are headed in the right direction!  
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 07 2008
21:02 (UTC)
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wondering how everyone is doing?

I had a donut today washed down by skim choco milk of all things. thought I would really love it at the time. Now, tho, I see that I spent some really valuable calories for nothing worth repeating in the immediate future, tho I am sure I will never fully put that away! I also feel at a real loss for how to follow up on this...my head aches a little and my palette feels like it's been assaulted. Don't get me wrong...I DO eat dark choco almost daily and homemade cookies, too, but the ingredients are different. I don't eat pizza out anymore because I can only taste the sugar and there really was so much grease to the donut it left a filmy sort of aftertaste I can't describe. sort of a letdown. so, just don't know what to follow it up w/. Guess once I start eating veggies again, I will be back on.  

I am still losing weight steadily...probably about 1.5-2#/week. Still trying to adjust to all the positive changes but certainly not standing in the way of it, either. Once you open that door, it's like dominoes...all the positive things you've been fighting sort of flood in. It's kind of cool, really.

Hope everyone is still fighting the monster. The trick is to get it beaten back to a point where it's insignificant...not totally disappeared but also not the predominant behavior. Once that balance shifts, you pretty well are on your way to putting it behind you. To get to the point where the balance shifts, all one has to do is replace bad behaviors w/more positive ones. I say 'all one has to do' but we all know that this is the real challenge! You can do it! I am finally doing it! My best to everyone!   
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 04 2008
13:41 (UTC)
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lol, alex, sounds like you are really enjoying yourself! your good habits will kick in again soon!

jenny, just hang tight. I honestly didn't go through much weight increase (about 10 pounds) but when you start to drop it's really a great feeling. Just remember that it all makes a lot of sense. If you are not overeating (and you will know it because your body will tell you when you are not) you will feel different, healthy. And, thank you for the kudos!

everyone have a great day!
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 03 2008
19:48 (UTC)
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deflepfan, risabelle is our resident authority of all things JA. She regularly points us all in the right direction regarding healthy weight loss. The thing about JA is that some days you will eat more than others...more calories, I mean. And that is just because you will find that some days your body is hungrier than others. So, when you get a hungry feeling you want to indulge it. The problem is that your body will only get even more hungry over time and of course, once ravenous, you are going to eat a heck of a lot more than you would when less hungry.

Hope everyone's doing well.
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 03 2008
19:43 (UTC)
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risabella, I think that if CC saw a conflict of interest in your postings, they would contact you directly rather than deactivate your account. I only say this because I know of one other 'instigator' (a wonderful, information-sharing person) who was contacted in this way.

glad you ride again, risabelle! lol
Motivation BINGEING support group Sep 01 2008
12:51 (UTC)
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deflepfan, I am sorry about your cat, too.

Every day that you work on this is a step in the right direction. You are going to have days where you just BOMB. I had one yesterday. So, you look at it overall because it's a process, not an overnight achievement.

Just the fact that you post here and are comfortable and open means that you will get through it and these events will become less common/less intense. Give yourself time.

Suggested reading: Shrink Yourself (I loved this one) and Jean Antonello (love this, too) comes highly recommended by risabelle, another CC member.

Learn to love yourself everyday, deflepfan. That means accepting your failures and recognizing your achievements...even OR especially the little ones!
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 31 2008
15:27 (UTC)
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thanks for the poem, ilovechai.

great attitude, tothestarsxx! yep, just pick yourself, dust yourself off and begin again right away, as if this interruption never happened. cool.
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 30 2008
22:25 (UTC)
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Ooh, deflepfan, one more thing...go find a therapist that takes you seriously.
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 30 2008
11:44 (UTC)
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as I already mentioned, but have to say it again because this is my first weight loss month, I have lost just over 6# and man, I'm thrilled. Never thought I'd get to this point.

everyone have a great day!
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 30 2008
11:42 (UTC)
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deflepfan, you have been through so much! And, you are really articulate. The key to curbing the binge is to be real consciencious when you eat.

Don't let yourself get too hungry but don't eat unless you think you are hungry. Learn your body's cues...is it thirst/is it emotional. Only feed yourself if it is real, physical hunger.

When you eat, choose healthful foods before eating junk. By healthful: veggies, fruits and whole grains mainly w/ enough protein to make it all interesting. choose a variety.

exercise. this will help both your self-esteem and your weight-loss and should help you keep your thoughts balanced.

journal. you are obviously a writer. start tracking your food intake by writing down everything you eat, times you eat, your thoughts if you overeat. your body will start showing eating patterns... pretty predictable patterns of when it wants to be fed.

some days you will want to eat lighter, allow yourself this.

drink plenty of water.

socialize wherever and whenever you can but don't let it revolve around fod.

I eat @ 2200 calories/day approx, give or take a few hundred. I journal daily. I exercise almost every day...hike @4 miles and go to Curves 3x/week. occassional cycle. I am losing 1-2 #/week. I did not want to live on a reduced calorie diet so it took me about a year to figure out how to lose the weight. I read Shrink Yourself and loved it and risabelle, who hopefully will show up w/a few choice comments to add, recommended Jean Antonello's books. Wonderful! I stopped bingeing @ June 1. Wow, 3 months! It was relatively effortless by that point. By now I may overeat on occassion but I quickly revert to my healthy agenda. I do allow myself indulgences @ once a week...cake etc. So, this month is my first weight-loss month and I believe it is somewhere just over 6#.

Take care, deflepfan. you are welcome to post here as often and as lengthy as you need to! look forward to more from yoU!
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 30 2008
03:50 (UTC)
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johgar, 2# gain can be water retention or ANYTHING. And if you quickly return to your 'diet' rather than punishing yourself, you should see that scale come down pretty quickly. If working out more, eat slightly more. Work w/it to see how much food makes you feel comfortably full all day long...eat well in the morning mainly and don't punish yourself. Guilt is counter-productive. This is a process...you are in it for all the ups and downs until it gradually becomes a steady ride rather than a roller coaster and it DOES happen. I am experiencing slow weight loss and always feel full do not binge anymore...don't even know for how many months! and rarely overeat and when I do it's relatively mild and infrequent.

That wasn't me 4 months ago so stay w/it! it's agonizing at first but worth it to learn to live w/o losing control!

infiniteheart! way to go!
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 29 2008
00:22 (UTC)
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cool, ilovechai! sounds like you are on your way! and if you do your homework and care about your grades, you may have a great future!

I am going through a lot of emotional ugh lately but NOT turning to food. Working on my business instead, being a steady stabilizing force w/my son and really just basking in the awe of not overeating on a regular basis, let alone never bingeing! I am SURE that being able to vent here/finding support here has something to do w/my success!

Take care all!!!
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 27 2008
01:12 (UTC)
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risabelle, I have to admit that everyday that I have a sweet tooth urge, it IS on a day that I have eaten way to lite in the a.m. I am going to keep an eye on this in the future and see whether there is more validity to JA than I previously thought! In the meantime, the jury is still out! :  ) But, SO glad she is even out there to question!

Meantime, I guess I've lost @ 5 pounds in 2.5 weeks. Cool. Just eating lighter and living well and doing my best!

ilovechai, i chucked the whole support group notion for total support...friends, neighbors, anybody who showed an inkling toward being kind and compassionate I have adopted into my circle. I try to give them all the time of day when able and know that they also throw me support when able.  support groups are probably where I got started, too!

Take care, ALL!
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 24 2008
20:59 (UTC)
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Laura, sounds like you did fine. Hope you enjoyed it! Eventually it may slow to a trickle or you may indulge on occassion. And, compared to bingeing regularly, indulging on occassion is a...cake walk! :  ) It ain't nothin.

Today, I had two nice size pieces of chocolate cake. Man, were they rich! I have no guilt about those puppies. And, I rebounded quickly. Altho my head was saying 'now eat fries!' my body was rightfully saying 'ugh, that was more than enough!'. Imagine me stopping at two pieces of cake. What is this world coming to?

Things are looking pretty good. I appear to be pretty well fed @ 2100 cals/day. This is an approx, w/in 200 cals either up or down on any given day. Some days I eat more veggies. Those are really good days. '

Anyway, any step in the healthy direction is the right step! Cheers!  
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 20 2008
23:15 (UTC)
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agree julia_rose.

And agree w/you, too, risabelle, re: the value of JA's info! I have modified what I learned from her and will continue to modify whatever useful info I get from whatever source I find. The truth is, my needs keep changing. Personally, I would encourage others to journal. It is a pretty benign tool that I found useful to slow myself down while considering 'the next bite'. I use it whenever I eat. Journalling has knocked out the extra calories I attribute now to being TIRED!

Overcoming the binge behavior and ultimately losing the weight is a really individual process. We all have different diets on this site, so I think it safely follows that we will also find different tools that work for us.

DO love the bottom line of JA: reduced calorie eating is bad news.
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 20 2008
19:19 (UTC)
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julia_rose, I don't think there are two types of bingers. Bingeing, is, well bingeing...it's what you described. Then there's overeating.

I was a binger. I appear to be pretty well through that behavior. I have to qualify that because it has reared its ugly head @ once a month in the past few months, certainly nothing compared to every three days which is what it was for...years??? I haven't experienced it yet in August but do not know what the future holds...if I have a few cookies extra, I would never call that a binge. It wouldn't feel like a binge.

But, I appear to be post-binge. That problem haunted me for so long and we all know that things don't abruptly end, so I am going to hang around this site until I feel all the residue has vanished. I think that's a pretty healthy approach.

Today is a great day! For some reason I really WANT to overeat (that's my head talking) but because I am learning to honor my body, I am holding back until the urge passes. This body/mind thing is really pretty powerful!

Take care.
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 19 2008
15:10 (UTC)
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Feeling very whole today. Eating when I know I need it but somehow my eating is lighter and more filling. Just eating less overall and very naturally looking for good quality product. Putting some distance between me and the food journal...don't get me wrong, I'm noting everything but starting to accept the changes are here to stay, not hovering over it all in disbelief anymore. Why? Because I guess it all feels so nurturing and it's coming from within quite naturally now. I like listening to the inner me for guidance. And, equally, I REALLY like tuning out the outside, ridiculously demanding world.

Cheers!
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 19 2008
15:05 (UTC)
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Oh, ilovechai, it's okay to be in a grieving period. sounds like you are just facing some truths that might have been hard to look at before. That's what makes people stronger...facing reality. Everything else is a house of cards. Not saying that it's easy. But, the grieving will pass and you're on the path to really great strengths when you start opening those doors that lead to honest assessment. I know this personally.

Learn to nurture yourself while you grieve. The more you learn to love yourself, the richer your life will be, including the lives of those around you.

So, you are right, this too shall pass. Take care.
Weight Loss When to eat what?? Aug 18 2008
21:38 (UTC)
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I agree w/mztenderheart that one should eat when hungry (assuming your work schedule permits it...if not, then, gi-jane's is probably fair). Using a modified version of the Mypyramid diet planner, whenever I feel hungry, I reach for either a small or large 'meal' about every 2-4 hours from 7 a.m. to no later than 5 p.m. (any later and I am just not hungry!) but always nutritious or an occassional light sweet. Because my diet is loaded w/veggies and fruits and whole grains and water and plenty of protein I am just not hungry for extras anymore. I do write down all the foods I consume daily because I have a tendency to overindulge but do not count calories anymore. I have a ballpark approximate that I eat @ 2000-2100 cals/day. I have lost 5#+ this month and my anxiety with food is way down.

good luck!
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 18 2008
01:33 (UTC)
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risabelle, I am journalling...writing down EVERYTHING...what I eat and at what time...if I feel it was from hunger or not...what I'm finding is that JA is right that your body will settle into a schedule of when it wants to be fed. Mine DOES appear to be on about 2 hour intervals...slows way down once I feed it @ 2:30ish and quiets down for the night if I give it something by 5ish. Of course, I am usually up by 6 and ready for something light right off. I am SO grateful to JA for all the useful information. Also, using mypyramid for guidelines is helpful, too...altho there again I modify it for less dairy and more beans/tofu.

I honestly have NO idea whether or not I am eating enough. I don't have cravings and so, don't indulge. I just made my son some lightweight chocolate pudding, gave him his and put the rest away w/o even thinking about it. Of course I did have a bite, I'm talking about a bite of skinny dark choco (72%) cocoa earlier. This is day 8 or so of journalling. This has all become really interesting to me, all the changes, I mean...just can't get over how my anxiety is sort of falling away. Also, my skin is clearing. This is just a win-win situation! I am sure that as time goes on I will need to modify what I do, too. I'm going to check out that website. THANKS!

Jenny, don't get discouraged...easy to say, but, I really have been there myself! It's really a matter of bringing all the pieces together and making them fit. As long as you TRY, it will happen. And, remember, you will find your own unique solutions! Nothing in life is one size fits all. The way I got through all of this was to read whatever I could get ahold of that seemed reasonable or interesting, chose whatever bits of information SPOKE to me personally and threw the rest away. By using this process I have developed a lot of confidence. Why? Mainly because the parts I've kept seem to feed into one another. When one theory doesn't seem to apply, I pull out the next one to fill the void. Remember that the only way to get THERE is to be where you are at right now...in the angst. Give it time and you will also get past it. Just take ONE STEP AT A TIME and recognize the little changes! They are what adds up to the BIG one! Good luck. You are TOTALLY headed in the right direction!
Motivation BINGEING support group Aug 17 2008
13:24 (UTC)
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julia_rose08, we really need to have a reference sheet somewhere on tips...what works to stave off a binge. Then people can pick and choose their approach...a smorgasbord of approaches and that would be cool because different things work for different folks.

eire, I was a big binger...every 3 days and now barely once a month and it's not even connected to pms...it's my FAMILY that puts me over the edge. I'm working on it! stay with it and read what you can on bingeing...little steps in the right direction make the difference!

I have been writing in my food journal for 10 days and already I can see that even tho I think I eat @ 2100 cals/day, I actually eat closer to 2500 cals a day! What a difference honest reporting makes. At 2500 I will lose nothing. But, knock out that 400 extra and I should lose @20# in a year. It's slow but it's easy. And, better to do it slowly so that the changes stay with me. So, this is day 3 of true reporting. I'm REALLY enjoying it and can't tell you folks why except that I feel like I'm eating when hungry...except at night when I have a bite of something because I am tired!!! When you eat when you are hungry, it's a whole different world...you just feel at home in your body. It's weird and a little disconcerting at first. After overindulging for so long, how can I really feel not just okay but well, GOOD, with so little? (I know what you are thinking...2100 is not so little. But, consider that once I've eaten I am done w/food until the next time I feel hunger! It's a whole different way of living...I am not hungry all the time!) Plus, I always reach for healthy at that point so I seem to feel satiated, too. I'm loosely using the food guide pyramid as a reference for how many proteins/etc I should have/day.

My anxiety is being greatly reduced, too.

Take care all! I still think this chat is the most supportive around! :  )
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