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| Weight Loss | What weight is size 7? | Jan 24 2008 13:03 (UTC) |
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| 5'6", 111 lbs, very small frame, size 7 in Target's Mossimo jeans, size 6 in Old Navy. Small frame, but proportionately wide hips. |
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| Weight Loss | what happens if you starve yourself for 30 days? | Jan 15 2008 14:15 (UTC) |
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| Enzyme, are you advocating for this woman to fast for a month? | |||
| Weight Loss | Questions and Answers about Loose Skin - Pictures Included | Jan 10 2008 17:46 (UTC) |
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| Holy crap, Jim! I just looked at your most recent pics -- are you sucking in in that second one? If not, wow, but you're skinny. (You're skinny anyway, but...you know what I mean.) | |||
| Weight Loss | Questions and Answers about Loose Skin - Pictures Included | Jan 10 2008 17:42 (UTC) |
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| Aw... Technically, I could probably use an upper arm/thigh/butt lift, but realistically, I don't think I could put my body through that much knife action. My stomach is the one thing that *really* bothers me, so that's the one thing I might do. Or I might just talk about it forever, which at this point seems most likely. Good luck to everyone in this situation. It really does suck to be thin and still look fat. |
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| Weight Loss | Questions and Answers about Loose Skin - Pictures Included | Jan 10 2008 17:27 (UTC) |
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| 35K? That must be for a whole body lift, right? I'm in NYC, and my fancy schmancy doctor on the Upper East Side quoted me about $11,000 in total, but that was just for a mini-abdominoplasty. Sigh... SIGH. |
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| Weight Loss | Weight Loss Without Flabby Skin | Jan 10 2008 14:47 (UTC) |
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| Luck and genetics also play a huge factor. Sadly, I speak as one of the genetically unlucky. | |||
| Weight Loss | Questions and Answers about Loose Skin - Pictures Included | Jan 10 2008 14:37 (UTC) |
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| "Mop - what did your skin look like when you were at a healthy weight? Are you trying to gain? How did you get underweight? All those things affect skin health. More often than not people dont get underweight by being healthy. Skin after 30 and skin at 22 are two diff things. Mens skin and women's skin are also two different things." I really believe that you aren't trying to sound condescending, and that you mean well, but I have to tell you, you sound a little condescending. What did my skin look like when I was at a healthy weight? Exactly as it does now. I was an obese kid -- 226 lbs, 5'6", small frame -- I wasn't at a healthy weight until I was an adult (assuming healthy is between 125-135). I have never seen myself without skin filled with fat, or skin deflated from lack of fat. I am not trying to gain weight. In my previous post, I mentioned that, even while I know I am technically underweight, I keep thinking that "if only I lose a few more pounds, I will suddenly have a perfect body!" I also understand that that is ludicrous. And yet... Finally, I am aware that 22-year-old skin is different than >30 skin; However, I have had this problem since I was in my 20s. I'm not entirely sure that men's skin is different than women's skin in any significant way, but even if it is, that's not the point. Again, I really do understand that you are not trying to offend, but, as I mentioned before, it gets old being told by people who don't me/my situation/my body implying that I don't know what I'm talking about. I've been extremely well-versed in diet/exercise/health/nutrition for most of my adult life (sadly, because I have a less-than-perfect relationship with food and my weight). Doctors who don't do plastic surgery (and thus would have nothing to gain), personal trainers, and nutritionists have all told me the same thing: My stomach, and its skin, isn't going to look any different unless I get the excess skin removed. |
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| Weight Loss | Questions and Answers about Loose Skin - Pictures Included | Jan 09 2008 01:31 (UTC) |
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| Just wanted to post my support of jimbopc. I know how he feels. I've been told by people who don't know me/my situation/my body that I just have to "work at it," and that it takes a while for the skin to snap back. Well, I lost 80 lbs in 9 months when I was 13-14 (which only works out to about 2 lbs a week -- not too fast) and about another 30 since then. I am 36 now. The skin has not snapped back. Partly (but not at all solely) because of people telling me I just had to "work at it," and it's probably not just skin, but fat, I am now 109 lbs at 5' 6", which is underweight -- which I know -- but I keep thinking if I just lose five more pounds, I'll look perfect! So, forgive jimbopc and me, and others like us, for being defensive when yet another person bascially says, "It's not skin, you're fat!" or "You aren't doing something you should be doing! Try harder! More crunches!" We're doing what we should be doing. And we still have extra skin. |
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| Weight Loss | Questions and Answers about Loose Skin - Pictures Included | Jan 08 2008 21:30 (UTC) |
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| Jimbobc, thank you so much for this! I'm so glad there are pictures, because it confirms to me that what I have is also "just" skin (I know this, but, like you, until I *look* thin, I will always think I'm fat). And I feel exactly the same way about feeling it's not fair that we eat well and excerise and lose all that weight, only to still not (for me, anyway) be able to wear a bikini (not that I particularly want to, I just want to be *able* to). I actually went to a plastic surgeon a few years ago and got a consultation. Since I don't have *that* much excess skin (about the same as you) and my upper stomach muscles were pretty tight, he recommened a mini-abdominoplasty. I didn't go through with it because it was really expensive (more than $10,000), and I am sort of scared to death of, not the surgery so much as the pain afterward (I don't deal with pain well). I live in a five-floor walkup, and there's no way in hell I'd be able to get up to my apartment for about a week. I still think about doing it, though. And I might. Or, I might just learn to accept the way I am. Young (ish) and single, too, so...well, let's just say, I absolutely know how you feel. Thanks again for posting. |
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| Foods | Please don't let Splenda products fool you. | Jan 06 2008 19:53 (UTC) |
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I think the reason people may seem to be defending Splenda/sucralose is because of this, from the OP: "Splenda is poison. Look it up on google. It's very harmful, and I don't recommend it in any form, except in serious moderation. " Just as some people may definitely have an adverse physical reaction to Splenda, other people have absolutely no noticeable physical reaction to it. Perhaps it is "poison" to some, but so are peanuts, to those who are allergic. Anyway, count me as one who consumes several packets a day (in coffee, oatmeal) as well yogurt and light ice cream, etc., that contain sucralose, and have never had a problem. |
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| Foods | If you love oatmeal cookies try this | Jan 03 2008 00:28 (UTC) |
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I've put one tablespoon (27 calories) of PB2 (sometimes 2 tbsp if I want a lot of PB flavor) and half a banana in my oatmeal, and it is super awesome! I also make a shake with that and half a cup of Dannon Light & Fit vanilla yogurt (and sometimes some protein powder if I, y'know, want protein). Equally super awesome. Both of these are under 200 calories (I usually have 1/3 cup oatmeal (100 calories) rather than the 1/2 cup serving). Yay. |
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| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 29 2007 00:52 (UTC) |
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Sperm are alive. Eggs are alive. Cells are alive. So, can we please go after all the men jerking off into tube socks, killing millions of potential babies at a shot (not to mention making a sticky mess), and leave the women alone? I gotta say, I really like what ofthrees and Heather are saying: A) What, exactly, other than a religioius belief that we don't all share, says that it is better to live than not to live, no matter what that life is like? I don't think it is. I think assisted suicide, euthanasia, etc. should be legal. And the corollary: B) So what if we're ending a life? Let's say, for argument's sake, that the abortion is performed within the first 12 weeks, and it is done quickly and cleanly, and it is scientifically proven that there is no consciousness that feels anything. How is that worse than the alternative of abuse, homelessness, lack of love, lack of sustenance, lack of health, lack of any and everything essential? Just exactly how? I swear, it's discussions like these that make me want to go out and get pregnant real quick just so I can have an abortion before it's made all illegal and back-alley-y again. (Because, fyi, regardless of the legality of abortion, there will always be abortion.) Have I mentioned that I love Blackthorne? And Ofthrees? Just checking. |
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| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 27 2007 13:04 (UTC) |
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| Much applause, Blackthorne. Much applause. | |||
| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 26 2007 23:54 (UTC) |
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Not exactly. My abortion doesn't directly affect your life or health in any way whatsoever. You smoking in my face (or - gasp - in my unborn child's face) has the potential to damage my health. Barring that, it makes me cough and feel sick, and my clothes and hair smell to high heaven. So, like I said, not exactly. |
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| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 26 2007 21:51 (UTC) |
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| And I once again bring up the point that there are millions of unwanted, unadopted children already in the world. Why don't we get all those kids adopted, and *then* we can worry about making more babies for people to adopt.
Sanctity of life? WHAT ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF LIVES AREADY HERE? What about the sanctity of the life of the homeless guy who freezes to death on the street because nobody will give him a room? What about the sanctity of the lives of the young gay kids who are beaten to death because of who they are? What about the freakin' sanctity of Iraqi civilians? Seriously. What about them? Because if those of you who are anti-choice are going to throw the "sanctity of life" argument at me, then I'm going to throw it right back. p.s. I have so much to say about the "pro-choicers turned anti-choicers" thing, but it will get out of hand, so let's just say: Pro-choicers turned anti-choicers are hypocrites. THEY HAD THEIR CHOICE, AND THEY MADE IT. Now, they don't want anybody else to have that choice? One more thing: I'd much, much, much rather regret not having a child than regret having a child. And yes, that translates into: I'd much rather regret having an abortion than not having an abortion. |
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| Games & Challenges | New game to try... | Dec 25 2007 23:30 (UTC) |
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| Bread ----> butter | |||
| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 25 2007 22:58 (UTC) |
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| Hey, watch it -- not all Americans are created equal ;). But, re: sex education: It depends on where you live/what your community deems "appropriate." And, ainedb, it's interesting you brought this up -- I'm getting my master's in social work and as one my projects I proposed a study exactly like the one you just proposed -- to see if abstinence-only programs resulted in more or fewer abortions/teen pregnancies than all-encompassing sex education programs. Btw, I believe some studies like this have already been done, and, if I'm not incorrect, they found that real sex ed worked a lot better than ab-only. |
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| Games & Challenges | New game to try... | Dec 25 2007 22:48 (UTC) |
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| Ham ---> swiss cheese. | |||
| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 25 2007 22:16 (UTC) |
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| What is your point again? (Not trying to be snide, I honestly can't tell.) | |||
| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 25 2007 21:51 (UTC) |
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| That's another thing -- I hate the terminology. Pro-choice does not equal pro-abortion, and it does not equal anti-life. Anti-choice does not equal pro-life. You're either for a woman's choice to do with her body as she wishes, or you're against women having that choice. Hating life and loving abortion doesn't enter into it. |
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| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 25 2007 17:31 (UTC) |
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| But that means you *are* pro-choice for yourself. And you *choose* to never have an abortion. |
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| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 25 2007 16:31 (UTC) |
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| Isn't that why we're participating in this thread? ;) | |||
| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 25 2007 16:26 (UTC) |
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| Coach_k, good point. It *is* birth control. I just meant it wouldn't personally be *my* first choice. (I am all pill, all the time.) | |||
| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 25 2007 16:15 (UTC) |
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| Well, I certainly wouldn't choose to use it as birth control (and, really, there are so many easier and cheaper ways!), but I support her right to choose to do so. Because, if she doesn't think she's killing anything (as I don't), there's nothing wrong with it. There's got to be something else going on with her -- seriously. |
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| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 25 2007 16:04 (UTC) |
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Cstefan, do you really know people like that? Abortion is not: Fun, painless, free, or physically or emotionally easy. Who in their right mind would use it as birth control? Also, ainedb, I wasn't aiming my "I did not say "pro-abortion"" at you -- I hadn't actually read your post yet when I was writing. Basically, you and I made pretty much the same point (and yours was very well said, too). |
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| The Lounge | abortion. agree, disgree? | Dec 25 2007 15:48 (UTC) |
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What a happy Christmastime thread! First: We all know that nobody is going to change anyone's mind on this, right? Good. Second: My view on abortion is as follows: Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Prochoice Note: There is nothing up there that says "pro-abortion." Choice is about just that: choice. If you want to choose to have a baby, I will fight for your right to do so. And if you want to choose not to have a baby, I will fight for that right, as well. Just as we have the freedom to choose our religion -- or to choose no religion at all (I think we still have that right -- let me check with Mitt Romney and get back to you), we should be able to choose what we do with our own bodies -- and yes, if there is something attached to me, growing inside of me, could not survive without me, it sure as hell is a part of my body. If your religion tells you that life begins at conception, and it is wrong to end a life, then by all means, don't have an abortion. But what if my religion tells me that it is wrong to bring a life into this world without loving it, without being able to provide it with basic necessities like sufficient food, shelter, medical care. Without promising that it will have a decent education, and that I will not mentally or physically abuse it? What if my religion tells me that it is wrong to bring a life into this world and offer it up to a system that has been documented to not always do the right thing -- to not always do sufficient background checks on prospective foster or adoptive parents -- to not always treat the life with the love and care that it deserves. Particularly non-white lives. Or lives with birth defects. You think it's easy to get a minority baby with a birth defect adopted? What then? For those who are so very much concerned with EVERY SINGLE LIFE, perhaps your attentions might be better directed toward children that are already here. Millions of homeless, hungry, abused children -- not only in the United States, but all over the world. Darfur. Iraq. Ethiopia. Hell, even France. There is not one city you can live in that doesn't have living, breathing, existing outside the womb children (and, hey, how about adults, too?) that need your help. That you can donate food, money, clothes, time to. Finally, if you really do believe that abortion is murder -- that you are, in fact, killing a baby -- how can you believe that it's okay to do so if the woman is raped? If a woman is raped, it's okay to kill a baby? If a woman is the victim of incest, it's okay to kill a baby? If a woman's life is in danger, it's okay to kill a baby? If you truly believe it's a baby, and you truly believe killing babies is wrong, how can there be any exceptions? In a perfect world, there would be no need for abortions. All pregnancies would be wanted, with no complications. We would have 100% reliable birth control. And we would live in a culture that doesn't make many women feel like their primary role is that of a sex toy. So, in short: Baby by choice? HELL YEAH! &nb sp; Abortion by choice? HELL YEAH! Phew. |
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| Foods | Am I not cool enough to "Binge" eat | Dec 22 2007 18:12 (UTC) |
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I am, like many of you, sorry for contributing to this dead-horse-beating thread. However, I just want to say that: (a) I think both sides of this discussion make valid points. Yes, binge is "just a word," and yes, the dictionary definition of binge does not say it is exclusive to eating disorders. That said, (b) People who do have BED, or have had it, or know someone who has it are more strongly and negatively affected by their perceived misuse of the word than those of us who aren't affected by BED, which leads us to (c) Out of kindness, empathy, and good will toward your fellow CC'er, is it too much to ask for people who do not have BED to not use the word in a casual way? Is it *really*so much of a hardship to say, "Oh my god, I just ate an amount of broccoli equivalent to the size of Texas, and you know what? I'M OKAY WITH THAT!" instead of "I binged on broccoli!"? Isn't it more fun to think up original and interesting ways to say something that really convey what you're trying to communicate? And, finally, (d) I think the major conflict in this discussion is, as others have pointed out, one of tone. If some people hadn't started calling each other idiots (it started fairly early on in the now-locked thread), and saying how they didn't think BED was a real disease, and that it was just "stupid," and basically being pretty jerky, I don't think people's feelings would have been so hurt, nor would they have felt so insulted, misunderstood, or ignored. Honesty and rationality and dictionary definitions are all really, really great. But compassion, kindness, respect, and a touch of nonjerkitude go a long way in getting people to listen to you, understand you, think about what you're saying, and possibly come to a civil compromise. Oh yeah, and also? I love bolding. |
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| Foods | Pizza | Dec 08 2007 14:16 (UTC) |
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| In defense of "American" pizza: It's not *all* as bad as described. There are a lot of thin-crust, not-much-cheese, fresh-vegetable-topped options in our fine, fine country -- especially in New York, which, thank god, is where I live. But I never go to chains (like Pizza Hut, Domino's (evil), or Little John's). Small mom-and-pop places are the best. My rule is, if you can't see them make the pizza, don't eat it. |
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| Weight Loss | What are your "realistic" holiday goals? | Dec 08 2007 14:01 (UTC) |
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There seems to be a lack of discussion of the holiday we are currently smack dab in the middle of: Hannukah! Latkes are my particular downfall. And everyone I know seems to be having a latke party during the festival of lights (let's just say the *lamp* oil wasn't the only oil that lasted for eight days). Sure, I could choose to eat one or two with apple sauce, but four or five with sour cream are so much more appealing. Nah, I'll be fine. I've been going up and down a pound all month, no matter what I eat, it seems. So, as long as the going up part doesn't become more frequent, I'll be okay. It's just a good thing Hannukah gelt is generally made with really crappy chocolate. |
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| Weight Loss | Loose Skin After 100+ Pound Weight Loss | Nov 29 2007 00:41 (UTC) |
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| Any of you talking about having a tummy tuck, or other surgery to "fix" your loose skin -- aren't you at all all worried or freaked out about surgery? The pain, the possible complications, the "more important" things you could do with the money? That's pretty much what's been keeping me from doing it -- especially the pain. I just don't deal with it well. And I've seen enough plastic surgery reality TV to know what *could* happen. I really don't want to die, or almost die, for vanity's sake. That said, I've been so unhappy about how I look for so long... I don't know what I'm waiting for, but I'm waiting for something. And then I'll do it. Unless, of course, I find someone who loves me IN SPITE OF the horror that is my body. (I know, I know, talking like that isn't any good, feeling like that is even worse, again, I know, I know, but still...) |
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