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Health & Support carrots or the tanning bed? Feb 10 2009
15:01 (UTC)
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YES, they can turn your skin orange. Over 1 lb a day bathes my skin in an orangish hue--particurally around my mouth and fingertips. It's not harmful unless you are taking a mutivitimin with Vit A in it on top of eating carrots. You just won't look too attractive, since this tone of orange does not resemble a good tan.

Oh, and here's a link to The Carotene Experiment, just for kicks!;)

The Lounge just say a random comment. Feb 08 2009
16:46 (UTC)
1,536

Society sucks.

Health & Support Teenage girls at a healthy weight? Feb 08 2009
09:59 (UTC)
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Original Post by jessicasbc:

Original Post by proudfa:

 

You are healthier being underweight than overweight.

 i dont know about that...anorexic/bulimic people seem to deteriorate much quicker than an obese person...

I tend to agree with her, proudfa. And believe me, I've been underweight...it IS NOT better unless your body is somehow naturally inclined to tininess. Here's a nice little exerpt from an article regarding a CDC study, written by a certified BSN, RN, and CCP on her blog:

"BMIs <18.5 (Hollywood thin), compared with ‘normal’ weight, were associated with notably higher deaths from:

other cardiovascular diseases

chronic respiratory diseases

acute respiratory diseases and infections

all non-cancer/non-CVD causes.

 

It was also associated with insignificantly higher deaths from:

injury

coronary heart disease

lung cancer

all cancers (including those considered ‘obesity-related’)

Most of the excess deaths associated with underweight, no matter what that age, were for non-cancer/non-CVD causes — which accounted for about 39% of all adult deaths in 2004. This fact negates suggestions that the underweight deaths were because people were sick from cancer or heart disease. The researchers ruled out those who were thin because they may have been sick, and analyzed the data to ensure this, even excluding those who had ever smoked, had a history of CVD, died in the first 3 years of follow-up or were over age 70 and the estimates held. “Thus, there was no indication that our results were biased by illness-induced weight loss prior to baseline (“reverse causation”) or residual confounding due to smoking,” they wrote.

· BMIs 25 to <30 (“overweight”), compared with ‘normal’ weights, were associated with lower deaths from:

coronary heart disease

lung cancer

chronic respiratory diseases*

acute respiratory diseases and infections

injury*

all non-cancer/non-CVD causes*

And slightly higher deaths from diabetes/kidney disease.

It was also associated with insignificantly lower deaths from:

cancers considered ‘obesity-related’

other cardiovascular disease

No way around it, being overweight was associated with a total of 138,281 fewer deaths from all causes. That’s a generous 72 pound weight range for a 5’-4” woman that’s linked with lower or the same risks as someone of a government-recommended ‘normal’ weight. But that’s not all...


· BMIs >30 (‘obese”), compared with ‘normal’ weights, were associated with lower deaths from:

lung cancer

chronic respiratory diseases

injury*

all non-cancer/non-CVD causes

acute respiratory diseases and infections

 

Obesity was associated with higher deaths from coronary heart disease and cardiovascular diseases — but CVD-related risks only reached a barely tenable relative risk (2.0) among younger cohorts with the highest BMIs >35. While cardiovascular disease accounted for 37% of all adult deaths in the United States in 2004, said the researchers, the balanced follow-up data showed that only an estimated 9% of those heart-related deaths were associated with obesity. But when they used the lower relative risks seen in the more recent NHANES III, obesity’s relationship to heart disease deaths dropped to 5%.

Compared to ‘normal’ weight, for all non-cancer/non-CVD deaths, there were 560 fewer deaths associated with obesity (the entire BMI range). Yes, obesity was beneficial for all of these causes of death. To flesh out the details, the researchers divided all of these causes into 5 subgroups, with diabetes and kidney disease grouped together because they said there were too few diabetes deaths in the younger ages to make reliable estimates. They found that for all of the other 4 subgroups, obesity was associated with reduced mortality. So, while obesity was associated with higher risks for diabetes/kidney disease-related mortality, it was associated with lower deaths from all of the non-cancer/non-CVD causes."

Young Calorie Counters I think that I have the right idea...help? Mods? Feb 02 2009
22:53 (UTC)
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Original Post by gi-jane:

If you're losing weight on 3000 cals a day there are two things you can do.  One.... eat more.  Two.....  stop doing quite so much activity.  Cut down to an hour a day if your health is being negatively affected (which it is)... and, once things have stabilised, build it back up in stages.   There is no sense in exercising if it's making you sick.   NB.  Obsessive overexercising is often just another form of eating disorder.  If you have a history of EDs then you may well have swapped undereating for overexercising....  There's 'loving bicycling' and there's 'dangerous compulsion'. 

In that light, I would suggest you go to talk to whoever helped you when you were collapsing due to being underweight.... I think you may have simply switched to a different form of the same condition.  

 

 I appreciate your concern, Jane, but exercise compulsion is not the issue here. I am well aware of its prevalence as an ED, and in fact did suffer from a short bought of it when I was at my worst. The mentality now is much, much different from then and my relationship with exercise is completely positive now. I often use exercise as a way of coping, but I also use it as a form of enjoyment and leisure. I sincerely enjoy my sport, and I take a day off from it each week. I also don't always bike for 3 hours a day, but there are times when I am really engrossed in my wonderful ride or get a surge of energy. When I am tired on other days, I stop biking, whether or not I've gone very far at all. I still eat on my rest day and I don't restrict anything in the slightest.

I do have mileage goals and I do hope to someday ride in a century (not a race...a bike tour) ride.

I have discussed things with my parents and my mom agrees with my calorie need estimate plan. It was silly for me to ask online, too. I was simply seeking a well-informed opinion from a mod. Thanks for your input.

Young Calorie Counters I think that I have the right idea...help? Mods? Feb 02 2009
02:17 (UTC)
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Yeah, I just hope that that remains true with my question...I'm getting scared and I'm trying to eat enough, but my appitite is screwed up.

Young Calorie Counters I think that I have the right idea...help? Mods? Feb 01 2009
23:28 (UTC)
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Yeah...this question was more towards the mods than anyone.

Thanks for your thoughts, though.:)

Maintaining define 'activity' Feb 01 2009
22:15 (UTC)
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Hmmm...biking is a huge part of my life, but it's also my hobby. I understand what you mean by running your life, though...like, "Oh dear God, if I don't get my workout in or if I eat an extra baby carrot, I'm gonna inflate like a balloon and die of obesity." ...Maybe not that extreme. lol It's fantastic how much progress you've made, though, Agru!!

30-day-shred...well, it's designed for fat loss. I don't know if that's the best thing for you right now. I know that most ED recoverers have low BF% to begin with. But if you ate a TON on top of doing the program, I'd suppose that it would have different effects, too. Probably something like increased endurance and/or muscles! =P

Maintaining define 'activity' Feb 01 2009
22:04 (UTC)
3

Haha-far from it, Agru. You're fine, and your heart won't shrivel into pieces with that activity level. This is coming from an Energizer Bunny (lol, that's my nickname now), too. Try some yoga and Tai Chi for some change once in a while...exercise doesn't have to be all cardio to be beneficial. 

Maintaining define 'activity' Feb 01 2009
21:30 (UTC)
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Original Post by agruskin:

so ok, i want to know if im at a moderate level.

i burn 39 cals/hr sleeping.

my weight is 52kg

i jog for 20 mins

i did something and got the #350, lol, i hate math! yes, im over 18.  i suppose ill just aim for about 30mins of increased heart rate per day for health, this is too confusing for me!!

 Ok, so 350 divided by 39 = 8.98 METs per minute.

8.98 METS x 20 (length of activity in minutes) = 180 METS for your exercise session.

:) But yeah, 30 minutes of exercise, 5-6 days a week is plenty when you're on maintenance. If you're still gaining, I'd suggest sticking to 3 days per week, though.

Maintaining define 'activity' Feb 01 2009
21:11 (UTC)
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Agru- No, no, no...not quite. Search for your activity here on CC and it will tell you how much one hour of that burns. Then, look up how much sleeping burns per hour according to CC. Divide the higher number by the lower, and that it your number of METs per minute. Then take your weight in kgs and multiply it by your activity's METs. That is your cal burn.

But, wait--you're over 21 yrs old, so you can figure out your cal burn according to the burn meter here on CC. I need to use the children's calulator, but I wasn't sure what 1 hour of activity meant on it. I only needed to know what was considered moderate activity, which is anything 3-5.9 METS. I didn't need the cal burn.

Maintaining define 'activity' Feb 01 2009
20:26 (UTC)
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Original Post by blondi92:

A bit confused. so using me as an example, sorry not to seam self centered, but i know me. so i do 10 hours of running an the elliptical each week, so to figure that out, i do 10X60(minutes)X ???= my total? is that correct?

That would be correct.:)

Maintaining define 'activity' Feb 01 2009
20:18 (UTC)
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I didn't know what a MET was either until yesterday! I reserched it after reading this post.

A MET is a measure of your resting energy expenditure. The number of METs for your activity increases with the cals burnt. Each MET represents one multiple of what you burn resting (ie, your exercise burns 450 calories per hour and you burn 50 calories per hour resting, the MET value for your activity is 9 mets/minute). To calculate the MET value of an exercise, divide the calories burnt per hour during that exercise by the calories you burn at rest.

This website has a bit of info, too: http://www.my-calorie-counter.com/mets_calcul ation.asp

I hope that that made some sense. :/

Maintaining 5'4" maintaing v. dieting calories Feb 01 2009
13:54 (UTC)
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WTF! It is not ok to promote eating disorders! It is ethically irresponsible/reckless/wrong AND specifically against the rules of this forum. WTF is wrong with you? Several of you?!?!

"AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO GIVES A SH** ABOUT THE RULES????"

Is all just totally lost in the world? Are we doomed to live lives of unsatisfaction and starvation?!??!

My faith is seriously waivering ladies!

I just wanted to bold that, repost it, and THANK YOU for saying that, freshbakedpi (I don't agree with the laugngauge of it, but the jest of it is unfortunately spot-on).

This thread is dangourous for those prone to EDs and it's only making this generation look really sad. We're gonna have a really pathetic future at this rate, guys!! We can all make good choices...one of them being to fuel our bodies!

Maintaining define 'activity' Jan 31 2009
23:08 (UTC)
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I hope that I can join you in that good feeling soon.:)

Maintaining define 'activity' Jan 31 2009
11:57 (UTC)
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Oh my gosh, Charlie! Thank you so much for that info! I've been researching the subject for quite a while, as I'm very active and it's been impossible to determine my approximate caloric needs when the calculator is so vague. Hmmm...my moderate biking on the stationary is 7.8 METS, and I peddlequite a lot...where's that bag of toasted almonds that I had earlier? LOL

I'm seriously thrilled to have learned this...I'm kind of freaked out because I've been under-eating by A LOT according to these calculations. I began getting worriedwhen my legs noticeably thinned out and my biking endurance plummeted. At least I know what to do to fix that now!:)

Young Calorie Counters Teens how many calories do you eat? Jan 30 2009
01:58 (UTC)
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beckkkahhhx3-I only eat this much because my sole coping skill is exercise and thusly, I am insanely active. It's actually really annoying to eat so much after a while of doing it, just as I'm sure it's frustrating to eat very little. But hey, it's for my health. I need to fuel the movement somehow.=P

Do you eat according to the kid's calculator here? It is marvelously accurate and after a bit of water weight gain, I've seen many teens maintain on what it says after using diets wayyy lower in calories to maintain.

Young Calorie Counters Teens how many calories do you eat? Jan 29 2009
23:25 (UTC)
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I'm a 16 year old female maintaining 118 lbs at 64.5 inches tall by eating 3000-4000 calories a day.

Health & Support Gallbladder problems Jan 26 2009
14:18 (UTC)
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Gallbladders don't always have to be triggered by something to act up, and your gallbladder issues do not signify a lack of health otherwise. Oftentimes, gallbladder malfunctions run in families; most suffers are predisposed to attacks and an eventual need for removal. In any case, IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT. Don't over-think or over-analyze the cause your situation...you can figure that out when you are well again.

I had my gallbladder removed back in '06, and I can assure you that it is TOTALLY worthwhile! I actually wouldn't be typing this if I hadn't had mine removed; my gallbladder had been severely infected for over 2 years and was growing a cyst. The cyst had spread over my liver and would have exploded, according to my surgeon, within 24-48 hours had I not had the surgery. The biggie is that nobody even realized that the cyst was there until my gallbladder removal day. My case was severe, however. There are some folks who can make it through life without taking their doctor's advice on surgery, but they must follow a severely strict diet and deal with pain for a while. And, of course, there is still the chance of an unknown infection lying within your belly.

During the time leading up to my appointment, I was required to follow a special low-fat, low-sugar diet designed especially for those with gallbladder issues.

http://www.docsmed.com/diet.htm

The above link is a guide to the diet I followed. The man who created it is the same one that removed my gallbladder. Eating this significantly decreased my stomach pain/gallbladder attacks. I'd suggest following this for your eating plan for a while. It's certainly not high-cal, but it is easy on the organ.=)

Now that my gallbladder is gone, I can eat anything that I desire. The gallbladder is used mainly in the processes of digesting fats and carbohydrates. In some rare cases, patients will need to avoid fatty foods after their surgery, but that is about it. The pain that comes from consuming fats sans-gallbladder isn't too intense, and I've yet to meet anybody who restricts fat for that reason.

It depends on the person, but some folks cannot handle food for a few days after the surgery. I personally remained on a liquid diet for a week. My aunt, however, was eating solid food 24 hours later. All of these questions can and should be asked of your doctor, too; they know you much better than people over a screen.=)

Best of luck!!!

 

Foods Olive Garden has nutrtional facts! Jan 23 2009
01:04 (UTC)
Original Post by zebulancherry:

Everything in moderation. ^^

Except trans fats. I avoid them pretty much at all costs - I don't think that Olive Garden uses them however.

 That they don't--I bookmarked an oldish post about trans fat-free chains, and Olive Garden is under the "Totally Trans Fat Free" list.=P

Weight Gain A few questions... Jan 11 2009
16:05 (UTC)
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This is why I don't use exchanges now--they can be off by up to 1000 cal/day (a really smart nutrition est--not even dietitian--told me that)!

I tried to do the exchanges for a while, but my doctor told me to stop using them after a few weeks of failed gaining (I ate a lot of foods that my dietitian had to guess the exchanges for, and she guessed high quite often...ie 1 tbsp grape nuts=1 starch). Not everyone is like this, though. If you try what the medical team says rather than simply whining to them, things move much more progressively in your favor. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong. It's a period of major trail and error for everybody. But opposing their ideas won't help anything, despite how wrong they might be. Unfortunately, the medical community has no trust in the opinions of those with EDs unless they happen to agree with theirs. If you prove them wrong and comply 100% for a significant amount of time, then they may begin to trust your insights. That's just the way it goes. You can't get through to them until you've followed their rules. =/

DISCLAIMER: The above is my opinion, formulated from the experiences that I have had over a total 7 months of hospital stays at 8 different places, with too many dietitions and meal plans to count (no two of them being the same) and enough doctors to destroy an epidemic if one were to break loose in my state. 

Weight Gain A few questions... Jan 11 2009
14:19 (UTC)
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Well, you can't expect anyone to know what every single food item on the market is made up of. Most things that are in the bar-food category are grains. She probably thought a larabar was some sort of granola or cereal bar - so don't think her entirely incompetent just for something like that. Also, fruits are a form of starch. I had a nutritionist tell me to count bananas as either two fruits or one starch, go figure. Same lady had me count yogurt as starch too.

I get Lara bars and Luna bars mixed up quite often, myself.=P Let's put it this way, her exchanges aren't as bad as some nutritionist I've been to. For example, a slice of cake/a doughnut=an ensure or 1/2 cup regular jello=1 fruit... o_o

Weight Gain A few questions... Jan 10 2009
21:32 (UTC)
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20 pounds isn't really that much....nor is it an issue to gain that much within 2 months. I gained 30 lbs in a little less than 2 two months (76-106lbs) and I am far from a blob now. I continued gaining at a slower rate up to 120ish lbs (I'm 5'4) and my body fat has remained minimal. Earlier this summer, amidst massive bike riding, I weighed in at 126 lbs a few times...equalling 50 pounds (65%) of my starting weight being regained. And you know what? It seemed absolutely crazy when I was told to gain so much so quickly, but looking back, I wouldn't have had it any other way.

Your doctor was probably expecting a high gain because most ED recvoverers gain a good deal of water weight at the first weigh-in. They also tend to gain weight quicker when vital organs are being repaired. As you experienced issues with over-exercising, your heart and lungs probably have a good bit of reconstruction to do. Also, 105 lbs is the ideal weight for a female of 5'1. The rule of thumb is 100 lbs for 5 feet tall, with 5 pounds added on for each inch above that. Most--though not all--people function best and are at their healthiest right around that weight. Some other folks will need a few pounds different in either direction. You should NOT be under 100 lbs, however. It is important to stay at least a bit above a minimum BMI.

Try not to think too much, Zeb; if you continue obsessing with perfect nutrition, complete accuracy, and a strict rate of weight gain, you'll honestly never make it and will most likely land yourself in the hospital. That's precisely how I ended up inpatient for 3 months--taking it too slow and being far too rigid.

DO NOT WAIT FOR CHANGE. DO NOT RESTRICT ANY FOOD. Yes, veggies are important, BUT calories are an even greater necessityfor you right now. The USDA recommendation of 5-a-day is for a combo of fruits and veggies....so your dietitian's recommendations actually are not off. Plus, a serving of veggies according to the 5-a-day program is one half cup, whereas most dietitians consider a serving to be a full cup. I've seen your menus, and you eat an insanely nutritious diet. Lowering the veggie portions in your diet will not cause you to lack nutrients. I adore produce, too, and when I was gaining I had to cut down on them simply because they were too bulky. My dietitian told me that I could eat as many veggies as I wanted...but ONLY after I fulfilled all of my other food group requirements. If you want more veggies, I'm sure that you could add them on in addition to your current plan.

I'm not inferring that your dietitian and your mother are the brightest crayons in the box, and I can completely relate to feeling aggravated by everybody discounting your opinion, but PLEASE remember that ED is influencing you in many ways that you are unaware of. Ease up for a while and just go with the flow; the doctors and your family love you and they want to see you healthy. Just go with the flow for a while and give it a chance. I know that this is a TON easier said than done, but be assured that I was in your exact position not too long ago. I made the right choice and simply obeyed the rules that were assigned to me, and now I am in the healthiest state that I have ever been in. I can also eat a boatload of veggies and eat as "cleanly" as I desire...though during weight gain I ate multiple goodies (blizzards from DQ, puddings, cakes, bottles of coke, etc) each day. The damage that has been done to your body is significant, and this is about the only time that "junk foods" are actually relatively good for you. The simplicity of them makes digestion and absorbtion easier on your body; it can obtain sugars and other vital nutritents for enegy and repair.

Hang in there, Kate...remember the happy girl that ED destroyed, and bring her back to life as only you can. Life has a lot more to offer than nutrition charts and calories. My best wishes go out ot you.

Health & Support Song about Anorexia Jan 09 2009
20:58 (UTC)
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I adore this song. I don't find it triggering in any way...especially on Myspacevideo; you aren't as bombarded with links to related videos, which is a major issue on Youtube.

Recipes Lentils. Jan 07 2009
20:56 (UTC)
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These are a fun and portable snack!

Lentil Munchies

Foods Red Robin Customized Nutrition Jan 07 2009
20:46 (UTC)

I also adore the customize feature that they added to their website! It's been there for a while...I used it when I went out for my free birthday burger in August. Red Robin is an overall wonderful place--they service there was impeccable and the food was pretty darn tasty, too (I got a turkey mushroom burger)!! They had no issue with me skipping out on the bun and subbing steamed veggies for fries (I'm a celiac and I wasn't up for a tummy ache) and it was easy to figure out the nutritional info through their website. Unlike most of the folks here, I was seeking higher calorie options, so it was nice to be able to figure that out.

Anyways, I definitely think that other resturants could learn from RR.=)

Weight Gain Gaining weigh-ins!! Dec 28 2008
01:40 (UTC)
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Okie: What Lala just replied was directly on the dot--that is ED talking. Kick him in the shin and tell him to bug off. You need more nourishment...don't think of it as calories...it's nourishment and medicine for your body.

If it makes you feel any better at all...today I had to eat 4000 calories to maintain my now healthy weight. o_o; 3000 is really not that much, and trust me, it'll fix your metabolism while adding desperately needed weight!!:)

The Lounge What kind of shampoo do you use?? Dec 17 2008
00:07 (UTC)
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I'm going to be the oddball out here and say that I use V05. It is the only shampoo that softens my hair perfectly, leaves it thick and makes it literally squeaky clean!  The fact that they do not use animal testing is also a big reason for my use of it.

The Lounge just say a random comment. Dec 15 2008
13:00 (UTC)
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Eerica is a lot more beautiful than she thinks.

Maintaining 5'4" maintaing v. dieting calories Dec 15 2008
12:58 (UTC)
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A smidge over 5'4, 119 lbs, maintaining on 2500-3500 cals.

 

Erm, yeah. I bike a lot. >_<; Of course, I never used this site for dieting...I used it for weight recovery, so that *might* have effected my caloric needs, too.

The Lounge just say a random comment. Dec 13 2008
18:39 (UTC)
2,081

The mental health system needs some mental help.

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