Does dairy really cause weight gain, acne and osteoporosis?
These things change every minute. In the past there was a diet that was based on 3 servings of dairy. To me it packs a lot of nutrients and unless you have allergies for acne etc it is a healthy choice. You are going to get a mixed opinion here so try to go with how you feel and your body as we are all different
No.... People who eat dairy and/or non-dairy calcium-rich foods are usually at less risk of osteporosis than those who don't. Weight gain is caused by eating too much of anything... dairy included, of course. And the causes for acne are many and varied and, in many people, are linked to a consumption of sugar rather than dairy products.
Be 'scared' to eat things with lots of long, complicated-sounding ingredients in them. That's a safer bet.
I hardly ever touch dairy... not for those reasons, but because I believe it is extremely unecessary and unatural for human consumption.
-we are the only animals in the world who drink another animals milk
-humans only NEED milk for the first couple months of age, after that it is unnessary
-the calcium in milk is not even of good quality as much of it is destroyed during the heating/pasterization process
-the majority of the population is actually allergic to milk (lactose intollerate) and cannot handle the stuff... coincidence? I think not. (we were never intended to drink it!)
-there are better sources of protein
-the fat in milk is mainly saturated... aka "bad fat"
-calcium of much BETTER quality can be found in plenty of other sources such as tofu, beans, almonds, salmon or sardines canned with bones, kale, broccoli, okra, soy milk.. etc.
-milk IS associated with acne though, as it contains hormones that may cause the body to produce more oils on the skin (sebum) which contributes to clogged pores and leads to break outs
-weight gain is caused by eating more then your body burns on a daily basis, not from one food alone... although certain foods like simple carbs (sugar, white bread, white rice, pasta etc) are associated with fat storage
my advice? do some research of your own on dairy products.. you'll find some sources that say its good and some that say it's bad. I'll let you make your own conclusions on whether or not it's worth consuming.
I don't know or care very much what's "natural" for humans. It's not "natural" to drive cars and sit at desks all day instead of picking berries and hunting deer for a living. If your body produces sufficient lactase, it's "natural" for you to drink milk as your body has adapted to it, and it's not going to hurt you.
Saturated fat is also not "bad." Most people should eat some amount of it every day. Usually people don't have a problem getting too much, but you shouldn't decide it's "bad" and avoid getting what you do need.
If you don't like dairy, can't digest it, or don't want to eat it because you don't like the way cows are treated, then don't eat it and find other sources of calcium. If you do like it, eat it and enjoy it, because it really is good for you.
Original Post by carmenxox:
I hardly ever touch dairy... not for those reasons, but because I believe it is extremely unecessary and unatural for human consumption.
-we are the only animals in the world who drink another animals milk
-humans only NEED milk for the first couple months of age, after that it is unnessary
-the calcium in milk is not even of good quality as much of it is destroyed during the heating/pasterization process
-the majority of the population is actually allergic to milk (lactose intollerate) and cannot handle the stuff... coincidence? I think not. (we were never intended to drink it!)
-there are better sources of protein
-the fat in milk is mainly saturated... aka "bad fat"
-calcium of much BETTER quality can be found in plenty of other sources such as tofu, beans, almonds, salmon or sardines canned with bones, kale, broccoli, okra, soy milk.. etc.
-milk IS associated with acne though, as it contains hormones that may cause the body to produce more oils on the skin (sebum) which contributes to clogged pores and leads to break outs
-weight gain is caused by eating more then your body burns on a daily basis, not from one food alone... although certain foods like simple carbs (sugar, white bread, white rice, pasta etc) are associated with fat storage
my advice? do some research of your own on dairy products.. you'll find some sources that say its good and some that say it's bad. I'll let you make your own conclusions on whether or not it's worth consuming.
I think it's 100% acceptable for someone to decide to not consume dairy products, particularly if she experiences allergies. At the same time, the argument that dairy is unnatural seems really unsturdy, mostly because I have yet to read what I consider to be a legitimate distinction between natural and unnatural foods. Natural for what? Humans differ from animals in several ways, mostly due to the fact that our prefrontal cortex is more complex/evolved compared to other animals. This portion of our brain is responsible for planning and critical thinking, which is the primary reason humans have been able to develop in the fashion we have. Dairy products fall under this category of development...but so do much of the fruits, vegetables and meats we consume. So at what point in our development as a species do we draw the line in terms of the foods we consume and call some things natural and other things unnatural. Some people argue that food that comes directly from the earth are natural. But humans plant those things; animals can't plant their own food. Animals are natural...but humans breed them. We even purify the water we drink. So the natural vs. unnatural argument seems shifty to me and, frankly, something that SOME people use to support an elitist attitude towards eating vs. not eating certain foods.
Original Post by laura916:
Original Post by carmenxox:
I hardly ever touch dairy... not for those reasons, but because I believe it is extremely unecessary and unatural for human consumption.
-we are the only animals in the world who drink another animals milk
-humans only NEED milk for the first couple months of age, after that it is unnessary
-the calcium in milk is not even of good quality as much of it is destroyed during the heating/pasterization process
-the majority of the population is actually allergic to milk (lactose intollerate) and cannot handle the stuff... coincidence? I think not. (we were never intended to drink it!)
-there are better sources of protein
-the fat in milk is mainly saturated... aka "bad fat"
-calcium of much BETTER quality can be found in plenty of other sources such as tofu, beans, almonds, salmon or sardines canned with bones, kale, broccoli, okra, soy milk.. etc.
-milk IS associated with acne though, as it contains hormones that may cause the body to produce more oils on the skin (sebum) which contributes to clogged pores and leads to break outs
-weight gain is caused by eating more then your body burns on a daily basis, not from one food alone... although certain foods like simple carbs (sugar, white bread, white rice, pasta etc) are associated with fat storage
my advice? do some research of your own on dairy products.. you'll find some sources that say its good and some that say it's bad. I'll let you make your own conclusions on whether or not it's worth consuming.
I think it's 100% acceptable for someone to decide to not consume dairy products, particularly if she experiences allergies. At the same time, the argument that dairy is unnatural seems really unsturdy, mostly because I have yet to read what I consider to be a legitimate distinction between natural and unnatural foods. Natural for what? Humans differ from animals in several ways, mostly due to the fact that our prefrontal cortex is more complex/evolved compared to other animals. This portion of our brain is responsible for planning and critical thinking, which is the primary reason humans have been able to develop in the fashion we have. Dairy products fall under this category of development...but so do much of the fruits, vegetables and meats we consume. So at what point in our development as a species do we draw the line in terms of the foods we consume and call some things natural and other things unnatural. Some people argue that food that comes directly from the earth are natural. But humans plant those things; animals can't plant their own food. Animals are natural...but humans breed them. We even purify the water we drink. So the natural vs. unnatural argument seems shifty to me and, frankly, something that SOME people use to support an elitist attitude towards eating vs. not eating certain foods.
I am right here with you.
Using the excuse that we are the only ones to drink anothers milk seems very weak, to say the least.
Original Post by missirish9:
Original Post by laura916:
Original Post by carmenxox:
I hardly ever touch dairy... not for those reasons, but because I believe it is extremely unecessary and unatural for human consumption.
-we are the only animals in the world who drink another animals milk
-humans only NEED milk for the first couple months of age, after that it is unnessary
-the calcium in milk is not even of good quality as much of it is destroyed during the heating/pasterization process
-the majority of the population is actually allergic to milk (lactose intollerate) and cannot handle the stuff... coincidence? I think not. (we were never intended to drink it!)
-there are better sources of protein
-the fat in milk is mainly saturated... aka "bad fat"
-calcium of much BETTER quality can be found in plenty of other sources such as tofu, beans, almonds, salmon or sardines canned with bones, kale, broccoli, okra, soy milk.. etc.
-milk IS associated with acne though, as it contains hormones that may cause the body to produce more oils on the skin (sebum) which contributes to clogged pores and leads to break outs
-weight gain is caused by eating more then your body burns on a daily basis, not from one food alone... although certain foods like simple carbs (sugar, white bread, white rice, pasta etc) are associated with fat storage
my advice? do some research of your own on dairy products.. you'll find some sources that say its good and some that say it's bad. I'll let you make your own conclusions on whether or not it's worth consuming.
I think it's 100% acceptable for someone to decide to not consume dairy products, particularly if she experiences allergies. At the same time, the argument that dairy is unnatural seems really unsturdy, mostly because I have yet to read what I consider to be a legitimate distinction between natural and unnatural foods. Natural for what? Humans differ from animals in several ways, mostly due to the fact that our prefrontal cortex is more complex/evolved compared to other animals. This portion of our brain is responsible for planning and critical thinking, which is the primary reason humans have been able to develop in the fashion we have. Dairy products fall under this category of development...but so do much of the fruits, vegetables and meats we consume. So at what point in our development as a species do we draw the line in terms of the foods we consume and call some things natural and other things unnatural. Some people argue that food that comes directly from the earth are natural. But humans plant those things; animals can't plant their own food. Animals are natural...but humans breed them. We even purify the water we drink. So the natural vs. unnatural argument seems shifty to me and, frankly, something that SOME people use to support an elitist attitude towards eating vs. not eating certain foods.
I am right here with you.
Using the excuse that we are the only ones to drink anothers milk seems very weak, to say the least.
whatever, I think those are some pretty valid reasons.
yes, it is unnatural for us to drive cars or use cell phones, and what not... but it's not exactly like we are putting cars and cell phones IN our bodies. However we do experience the nasty effects associated with car and cell phone use (toxins in the air, obesity, radioactive waves, disturbed sleep... etc)
all I know is that I don't feel very good after eating dairy... it tastes "dirty" and "unclean" to me. Kinda like the feeling you get after eating artificial sweeteners... if you know what I mean?
processed, refined and packaged foods are unnatural too... and the best diets are based on whole/natural foods. The healthiest cultures in the world also eat very 'clean' diets, which are usually low in red meat and DAIRY, but high in fruits, vegetables, fish, nuts, seeds, and grains... just compare American society to the Japanese, or Chinese.
Not to say that their diet's don't have flaws.. ie: they eat large amounts of refined white rice. But as a whole they eat significantly less saturated fats, seriod injected red meats, hormone enriched dairy, and processed food, then our society does... and it shows. These cultures generally live longer, consume less calories, and maintain a healthy yet lower BMI
I'm kinda off topic arn't I? Haha
Original Post by carmenxox:
Original Post by missirish9:
Original Post by laura916:
Original Post by carmenxox:
I hardly ever touch dairy... not for those reasons, but because I believe it is extremely unecessary and unatural for human consumption.
-we are the only animals in the world who drink another animals milk
-humans only NEED milk for the first couple months of age, after that it is unnessary
-the calcium in milk is not even of good quality as much of it is destroyed during the heating/pasterization process
-the majority of the population is actually allergic to milk (lactose intollerate) and cannot handle the stuff... coincidence? I think not. (we were never intended to drink it!)
-there are better sources of protein
-the fat in milk is mainly saturated... aka "bad fat"
-calcium of much BETTER quality can be found in plenty of other sources such as tofu, beans, almonds, salmon or sardines canned with bones, kale, broccoli, okra, soy milk.. etc.
-milk IS associated with acne though, as it contains hormones that may cause the body to produce more oils on the skin (sebum) which contributes to clogged pores and leads to break outs
-weight gain is caused by eating more then your body burns on a daily basis, not from one food alone... although certain foods like simple carbs (sugar, white bread, white rice, pasta etc) are associated with fat storage
my advice? do some research of your own on dairy products.. you'll find some sources that say its good and some that say it's bad. I'll let you make your own conclusions on whether or not it's worth consuming.
I think it's 100% acceptable for someone to decide to not consume dairy products, particularly if she experiences allergies. At the same time, the argument that dairy is unnatural seems really unsturdy, mostly because I have yet to read what I consider to be a legitimate distinction between natural and unnatural foods. Natural for what? Humans differ from animals in several ways, mostly due to the fact that our prefrontal cortex is more complex/evolved compared to other animals. This portion of our brain is responsible for planning and critical thinking, which is the primary reason humans have been able to develop in the fashion we have. Dairy products fall under this category of development...but so do much of the fruits, vegetables and meats we consume. So at what point in our development as a species do we draw the line in terms of the foods we consume and call some things natural and other things unnatural. Some people argue that food that comes directly from the earth are natural. But humans plant those things; animals can't plant their own food. Animals are natural...but humans breed them. We even purify the water we drink. So the natural vs. unnatural argument seems shifty to me and, frankly, something that SOME people use to support an elitist attitude towards eating vs. not eating certain foods.
I am right here with you.
Using the excuse that we are the only ones to drink anothers milk seems very weak, to say the least.
whatever, I think those are some pretty valid reasons.
yes, it is unnatural for us to drive cars or use cell phones, and what not... but it's not exactly like we are putting cars and cell phones IN our bodies. However we do experience the nasty effects associated with car and cell phone use (toxins in the air, obesity, radioactive waves, disturbed sleep... etc)
all I know is that I don't feel very good after eating dairy... it tastes "dirty" and "unclean" to me. Kinda like the feeling you get after eating artificial sweeteners... if you know what I mean?
processed, refined and packaged foods are unnatural too... and the best diets are based on whole/natural foods. The healthiest cultures in the world also eat very 'clean' diets, which are usually low in red meat and DAIRY, but high in fruits, vegetables, fish, nuts, seeds, and grains... just compare American society to the Japanese, or Chinese.
Not to say that their diet's don't have flaws.. ie: they eat large amounts of refined white rice. But as a whole they eat significantly less saturated fats, seriod injected red meats, hormone enriched dairy, and processed food, then our society does... and it shows. These cultures generally live longer, consume less calories, and maintain a healthy yet lower BMI
I'm kinda off topic arn't I? Haha
I think this is exactly my point. If you don't like it, it's fine not to consume it. But to use the point that it's unnatural seems like a shifty, post-hoc justification for not eating it--a way of saying "I don't eat it and I'm BETTER for it." I'm not arguing that processed foods are good; I'm just saying the claim that milk is unnatural is slippery and, I think in your case, unnecessary since it sounds like the real reason you don't consume dairy is because you don't like it.
I would suggest reading Michael Pollan's In Defense of Food. Even though the cover sums up his advice (eat food, mostly plants, not too much) the book does a concise job of detailing how we got into mess we are in with "nutritionism". There are studies coming out every day that break food down into chemical categories and tell us that thus and such a food is "bad" for us because it has a constituent that might be bad for us, or "good" for us because it contains something else that is good for us. This leads to a form of analysis-paralysis where people can't decide what to eat. Dairy is a traditional food that many cultures eat in a healthy way. Other cultures don't eat dairy, but they do eat seal blubber.
The important thing is to relax, eat a diverse diet of real foods (that your grandmother would recognize as food) in appropriate quantities to maintain good health and a normal weight, and get a reasonable amount of movement.
I agree with Laura, if you don't like dairy, don't eat it. I love dairy, so I do eat it in reasonable quantities. Seal blubber, on the other hand, is not something that will show up on my table in the foreseeable future, no matter how healthy the Inuits are eating it.
Original Post by carmenxox:
-the calcium in milk is not even of good quality as much of it is destroyed during the heating/pasterization process
Myth. Or lies. Depending on whether or not the person who told you this knew that it was crap.
If you don't like milk, don't drink it, but heating it up doesn't destroy the calcium in it. Calcium in milk (just like calcium in veggies) is already in its most stable state. You can't break something down from a more stable state to a less stable state.
I don't believe the calcium in pastuerized milk is easily absorbed by humans. It's not human milk, it's cow's milk. When it's heated during pasteurization, all the living enzymes naturally found in the milk, which aid in the absorption of all the nutrients in the milk, are also killed. Lactose intolerance, which more than half the population has to some degree, also disrupts the absorption of calcium from milk. The U.S. is one of the world's largest conumers of dairy products, maybe the largest I'm not sure, and also has the highest rates of osteoperosis in the world. The whole dairy/calcium/drink milk for health thing is just marketing, pure and simple, and most of us fell for it for a long time. My 80 year old father is as healthy as a horse, and hasn't touched cow's milk for 20 years, and wouldn't eat a piece of cheese if you forced it down his throat. He'd chew your hand off first...lol.
The best, most bio-avaliable sources of calcium comes from living plants, surrounded by the other vitamins, minerals nutrients and living enzymes necessary for maximum absorption. No one promotes that because it isn't sexy like milk and doesn't have a multi-billion ad campaign behind them to promote it.
Original Post by carmenxox:-we are the only animals in the world who drink another animals milk
We're also the only animals in the world who cook their food, and the only animals in the world who grow crops. Should we all give up cooked/farm raised foods too?
Original Post by carmenxox:-the fat in milk is mainly saturated... aka "bad fat"
You're confusing saturated with trans fats. Saturated fats are good for you.
Original Post by carmenxox:... just compare American society to the Japanese, or Chinese.
And then look at the Masai who blow everyone out of the water and eat almost exclusively dairy and red meat.
Original Post by johnnypenso:
I don't believe the calcium in pastuerized milk is easily absorbed by humans. It's not human milk, it's cow's milk. When it's heated during pasteurization, all the living enzymes naturally found in the milk, which aid in the absorption of all the nutrients in the milk, are also killed. Lactose intolerance, which more than half the population has to some degree, also disrupts the absorption of calcium from milk. The U.S. is one of the world's largest conumers of dairy products, maybe the largest I'm not sure, and also has the highest rates of osteoperosis in the world. The whole dairy/calcium/drink milk for health thing is just marketing, pure and simple, and most of us fell for it for a long time. My 80 year old father is as healthy as a horse, and hasn't touched cow's milk for 20 years, and wouldn't eat a piece of cheese if you forced it down his throat. He'd chew your hand off first...lol.
The best, most bio-avaliable sources of calcium comes from living plants, surrounded by the other vitamins, minerals nutrients and living enzymes necessary for maximum absorption. No one promotes that because it isn't sexy like milk and doesn't have a multi-billion ad campaign behind them to promote it.
This is the same information I found... it's not that the calcium is broken down per-say, it's that the enzymes to help absorb the calcium are broken down.
thanks for the more informative post johnnypenso
...
and btw, it's not that I don't "like" dairy; I think cottage cheese, yogurt, and ice cream are fabulous sometimes (but that's about it, cheese tastes like vomit and milk tastes "unclean")... I don't believe it is as healthy for you as the dairy industry tries to convince you that it is.
hundreds of years ago before cattle farming developed people survived without dairy and *gasp* didnt suffer from osteoporosis
I think that there is a lot of stuff that they're not telling us, and some stuff that's more theory then it is fact... ex: some articles say that dairy helps with weight loss, others say it doesn't. But they leave out other factors that could of helped or hindered weight loss in the test subjects.
but honestly, how could a substance that is meant to double a calf's weight in the first few weeks of life be a good weight loss food?
everything in moderation I guess... I'm guilty of eating dairy products every now and then, but usually that's when I'm lacking in better food alternatives
Original Post by floggingsully:
Original Post by carmenxox:-the fat in milk is mainly saturated... aka "bad fat"
You're confusing saturated with trans fats. Saturated fats are good for you.
your diet shouldn't contain more then 10% saturated fat, out of your healthy fat intake
ex: if you eat about 50 grams of fat per day, only about 5 grams of that should be saturated
no, saturated isn't bad in small amounts, but too much could be problematic... and it doesn't take much for it to become more then you need
saturated fats are almost unavoidable if you eat meat, nuts, fish, etc... most foods that contain fat will contain a little bit of saturated fat
however dairy fat is over 50% saturated, unless its non-fat/skim
but I've had enough of this topic... go ahead and eat all the steriod/hormone enriched dairy products you want; I'm still going to avoid/limit them.
perhaps years ago when cows were naturally raised and milked by hand, dairy products where healthier... but these days there's too much "extras" going into our cattle for it to be that good for you
peace
Original Post by carmenxox:your diet shouldn't contain more then 10% saturated fat, out of your healthy fat intake
Say who?
Original Post by floggingsully:
Original Post by carmenxox:your diet shouldn't contain more then 10% saturated fat, out of your healthy fat intake
Say who?
All the smart people! 
Back to the original question. If you eat dairy in moderation and aren't allergic to it you won't have those problems. It's nutritious food.
My grandparents ate way more dairy than I ever will. My grandpa drank a quart of full fat buttermilk every day for his lunch. My grandma used butter in everything. They also ate a lot of cheese. They were both slightly overweight, with no osteoporosis or acne problems, and lived into their late 70's. If the dairy caused them any major health problems they were with circulation. They both had problems with high blood pressure and strokes when they got old.
Where on earth did you hear that? Most of us drink milk and eat dairy products and we're not sick from it. The entire Hindu population in India consume dairy products as an important part of their diet. Countries with the longest life expectancies eat lots of yogurt and cheese.
http://longevity.about.com/od/researchandmedi cine/p/lifeexpectancy.htm
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=food spice&dbid=124
How about a link to the source of your information?
Is pamabrom safe for men?
Parabrom is a diuretic (water pill) that is used to treat bloating and puffiness related to menstruation. Even if parabrom is safe for men... Read more
