Drop Dead Diva

Does this show annoy anyone else?

Basically, its about a model or something that dies at the same time as a fat lawyer and gets put into the body of the fat lawyer (i guess the real fat lawyer dies).

Anyway, its about learning how to "love yourself" as fat.

They portray thin people as shallow and stupid, and fat people as somehow mentally great (I guess because if your body is larger, your brain must be also?).

The entire thing seems to be trying to support staying fat as just part of "who you are" and that it comes down to the choice between a smart and fun fat person....or a thin and stupid bimbo.

.... *sigh*

I can't even believe you even sat through one episode of it. :P.....

Original Post by silentdeadlyrose:

I can't even believe you even sat through one episode of it. :P.....

 It fuels my rage for working out!!! GUUUARR!

Never seen it but it sounds like hanging around my parents.  And if that's the case, it's definitely annoying, only I can't turn them off.

I've never even heard of this show, but it sounds like it has something to do with that so-called "size acceptance" movement (adherents to it that I've encountered aren't too "accepting" of any size that's under 12).

lorik, are you against the concept of " love yourself as fat"? and why?

i think i managed to stick with it for all of 5 minutes before i changed the channel.

Original Post by safina1:

lorik, are you against the concept of " love yourself as fat"? and why?

 Because its not a condition that you cant help. People have FULL control over how fat they are. If they want to be thinner...then do it...get up and move around and watch what you eat.

There is no need to "accept" yourself as being fat and unhealthy...yea, you might feel better, but its just avoiding a real problem.

Kind of like learning to "love yourself as a smoker" ....

If you can't love yourself as fat, or underweight, then you can't love yourself when you're healthy. First step is luuurve.

Original Post by loriklorik:

Original Post by safina1:

lorik, are you against the concept of " love yourself as fat"? and why?

 Because its not a condition that you cant help. People have FULL control over how fat they are. If they want to be thinner...then do it...get up and move around and watch what you eat.

There is no need to "accept" yourself as being fat and unhealthy...yea, you might feel better, but its just avoiding a real problem.

Kind of like learning to "love yourself as a smoker" ....

I think you are confusing acceptance and love here. a smoker SHOULD love himself in order to stop smoking and the first step for him to STOP smoking IS to love himself. but if a smoker accepted smoking as part of his everyday life without any desire to change, that is a different story.

same for overweight people. a fat person is a wounded one. he needs to heal. first step is to love himself first to start thinking about permenant changes e.g. losing weight. I didn't say that the fat person has to " accept" himself being unhealthy. in my view these are two different concepts.

I am sorry, Lorik. it sounds like you don't know a lot about the struggle that overweight people face, their hurt and their emotions. In fact, I know an overweight person who tried to commit suicide because the lack of love. 

Original Post by safina1:

Original Post by loriklorik:

Original Post by safina1:

lorik, are you against the concept of " love yourself as fat"? and why?

 Because its not a condition that you cant help. People have FULL control over how fat they are. If they want to be thinner...then do it...get up and move around and watch what you eat.

There is no need to "accept" yourself as being fat and unhealthy...yea, you might feel better, but its just avoiding a real problem.

Kind of like learning to "love yourself as a smoker" ....

I think you are confusing acceptance and love here. a smoker SHOULD love himself in order to stop smoking and the first step for him to STOP smoking IS to love himself. but if a smoker accepted smoking as part of his everyday life without any desire to change, that is a different story.

same for overweight people. a fat person is a wounded one. he needs to heal. first step is to love himself first to start thinking about permenant changes e.g. losing weight. I didn't say that the fat person has to " accept" himself being unhealthy. in my view these are two different concepts.

I am sorry, Lorik. it sounds like you don't know a lot about the struggle that overweight people face, their hurt and their emotions. In fact, I know an overweight person who tried to commit suicide because the lack of love. 

 

 

 

 a) You don't need to "love" yourself to lose weight.

b) Most the time the "learn to love yourself as fat" is being used to describe accepting being fat ((as is the case with the show))

c) Why do people keep assuming I don't know what it's like to be fat? I was fat once too (mmm sammiches).

Original Post by loriklorik:

Original Post by safina1:

Original Post by loriklorik:

Original Post by safina1:

lorik, are you against the concept of " love yourself as fat"? and why?

 Because its not a condition that you cant help. People have FULL control over how fat they are. If they want to be thinner...then do it...get up and move around and watch what you eat.

There is no need to "accept" yourself as being fat and unhealthy...yea, you might feel better, but its just avoiding a real problem.

Kind of like learning to "love yourself as a smoker" ....

I think you are confusing acceptance and love here. a smoker SHOULD love himself in order to stop smoking and the first step for him to STOP smoking IS to love himself. but if a smoker accepted smoking as part of his everyday life without any desire to change, that is a different story.

same for overweight people. a fat person is a wounded one. he needs to heal. first step is to love himself first to start thinking about permenant changes e.g. losing weight. I didn't say that the fat person has to " accept" himself being unhealthy. in my view these are two different concepts.

I am sorry, Lorik. it sounds like you don't know a lot about the struggle that overweight people face, their hurt and their emotions. In fact, I know an overweight person who tried to commit suicide because the lack of love. 

 

 

 

 a) You don't need to "love" yourself to lose weight.

b) Most the time the "learn to love yourself as fat" is being used to describe accepting being fat ((as is the case with the show))

c) Why do people keep assuming I don't know what it's like to be fat? I was fat once too (mmm sammiches).

 

a) why?

b) who said that ? 

c) it sounds like you were treated " nicely" while you were fat:)

Original Post by safina1:

a) why?

b) who said that ? 

c) it sounds like you were treated " nicely" while you were fat:)

 a) Because losing weight doesnt depend on how positive you feel about your body.... calories in vs calories out doesnt change if you feel happy about yourself.

b) society?

c) Treated by who? I rarely talk to people and generally completely ignore those around me (unless there's a reason to talk to them)....and anything I do to myself is just extra motivation. It's about accepting responsibility for your condition and just fixing it.

You can hate your body and be miserable because you are fat... just so long as you realize you can fix the problem. It's like hating your job and life sittuation. Yea, you can sit there and feel sorry for yourself ...or you can step up and do something about it.

Shows like drop dead diva are all about simply accepting being fat as some kind of helpless condition...as if its out of a persons power to start exercising and eating right. It's complete BS, people arent victims of food, pizza never holds you down and jumps down your throat.

ok i think i get what you are saying. the practicality of losing weight shouldn't depend on if you love yourself or not. that's fine, altho i'm not sure how many people can do that, but that's another thing.  changing your body image issues does depend on loving yourself tho but you can be thin or fat with body image issues, so that should be a seperate thing.

one should be able to practically admit to one's self that they need to lose weight to be healthy without it affecting one's overall self esteem. so in other words you can (or should) think well of yourself but not kid yourself that you need to lose weight. is that your jist?

Never seen this show, don't think we have it here but there are others like it and it p's me off tbh. You should absolutely NOT accept yourself fat, it is NOT ok, it's like accepting yourself with a broken leg. Go and fix it! I also agree that society usually does use"learn to love yourself as fat" is being used to describe accepting being fa"learn to love yourself as fat" to describe accepting being fat.

However, it comes down to a lot more than just not eating crap anymore. No, pizza doesn't hold you down and jump down your throat but you have to think you're worth losing being healthy. And you need to love yourself for that.

Thank whomever that i have never seen the programme but i have seen others like it and i only view once....can't stand them!

What I see from the size acceptance movement is not that it helps people improve their self worth no matter what their size- I see it giving many people an excuse to not make the changes they need to make in order to lose weight or get healthy.

It's almost as if so many people are overweight these days that it gets pushed as an "okay" condition.  Majority rules, right?  If you are overweight and everyone around you is overweight, and there are shows on TV demonstrating how thin is bad and fat is good... what need do you have to change?

Oh, but in regard to the topic- I haven't seen the show and I hope I never do.  I think I would throw things at my TV.

I think size acceptance programs are very inspirational especially for YOUNG girls who are usually very self conscious in a world where underweight is usually glorified. (news flash most celebrities are not healthy and are underweight.) or people take shallowness to extremes. So in a way, I think it's good self esteem wise not only dealing with weight, but learning to accept any flaws you may have. (for we all have at least one no matter how damn perfect some may think they are. :P)

But, yeah..the show doesn't appeal to me. I was totally into "Ugly Betty," for the first two seasons..last season was kind of blah....

Anyway..what's wrong with loving your big fat arse if ya have one?! :P

It's one thing to accept that you will never be a size 0, it's another to say that it's ok to put your health at risk because you accept that you will always be overweight and there's nothing you can do about it (short of spending your life on the treadmill or subsisting solely on carrots and celery...anybody else notice that this is always the way people on these shows "try" to lose weight?).

Yes, people should realize that flaws or differences don't mean they are worth less as a person, but they shouldn't necessarily be taught that it's ok to give up trying to be healthy because you'll never look like a movie star. These shows rarely focus on people who really try to take care of themselves. If they did, I don't think it would be a problem... Instead, they seem to say that most thin people are shallow and cruel and all heavy people are saints. I don't really see much of a positive in that message.

Original Post by loriklorik:

Does this show annoy anyone else?

Basically, its about a model or something that dies at the same time as a fat lawyer and gets put into the body of the fat lawyer (i guess the real fat lawyer dies).

Anyway, its about learning how to "love yourself" as fat.

They portray thin people as shallow and stupid, and fat people as somehow mentally great (I guess because if your body is larger, your brain must be also?).

The entire thing seems to be trying to support staying fat as just part of "who you are" and that it comes down to the choice between a smart and fun fat person....or a thin and stupid bimbo.

.... *sigh*

I think you got the premise wrong. When the girl was thin and beautiful, she was very shallow and could get by on her looks. She didn't have to think or work or try. Now that she's fat she gets overlooked, she has to actually work for a living and people are mean to her because of her looks. She's learning that there is more to life than outside appearances.

I have been watching this show and kind of like it (but I get into sappy Lifetime things all the time hahaha)....now first a little about me...I was once 270 lbs and life wasn't always the greatest....there were people who said I was just "big boned" and to accept it, but in the same breath most told me both directly and indirectly that I had to do something about it...I am now 21 5'7'' and weigh in the low 140's, love to exercise, very careful what I eat etc....

that said, I do have friends (females) who are overweight....not so much out of carelessness, but out of genetics and being used to living a lifestyle forever that brought them there.... I know it bothers them, but some have come to embrace it and you know what I give them a TON of credit. Yea, there is a health aspect to being overweight...I'm not debating that, and I think for that reason and that reason ALONE they should maybe consider dropping some pounds....but the social side of it (i.e. living up to society's definition of "thin" and "fit") should not be anyone's goal in life, and the fact that they are going against the social norms is extremely impressive to someone like me who lost weight and has battled distorted eating patterns on a daily basis just ebcause I worry about what society thinks.....

I think this message that the show promotes is awesome. As for making thin people look "stupid"....I don't think that's the case. It is making a "stereotype" about "dumb , thin, blonde" models....obviously all thin people don't fall under that category....I was perceived as smart and respected for my intelligence when I was overweight and continue to be now that I am thin....

just some food for thought (no pun intended haha)