those who eat soy

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I eat soy sparingly.

A little of it won't kill you. 

She may have done research and be an anuthor and all but there have been millions of vegetarians and vegans who have lived very long healthy lives and have consumed soy on a daily basis so I don't think I need to stop having soy. Many people consume soy but they just don't know it. I'm a vegetarian and I'm not going to stop my soy consumption. There are many other things out there that are a hundred times worse than soy.

Thanks for the information though.

All in moderation [=.

I didn't post to say don't eat any at all, like she says they hide soy in everything and some isn't going to kill you, no. But I never knew about the birth defects, earlier puberty in girls, things like that - that's why I posted about it, because I bet most people don't know about that stuff either.

there have been millions of vegetarians and vegans who have lived very long healthy lives and have consumed soy on a daily basis

There are probably millions who have had problems from eating soy too, just like some people can smoke all their lives and not get diseases, unfortunately that's life - some are lucky some aren't.

Soy like any other food, is good for most people when eaten in moderation as part of a healthy diet.

I eat soy regularly, but not with every meal or even every day. I also prefer whole soy foods, rather than isolated soy derived compounds.  Our bodies evolved eating whole foods, with the nutrients contained in thier naturally occuring ratios, s they interact with each other.

Some people may be allergic or sensitive to certain components.

The research on soy compounds, soy and cancer and soys effects on other mecial isues is on going. We don't even know what we don't know yet, as the jury is a long way from having a final verdict. However soy has been a huge staple in the diets of many cultures for centuries, so it also has a long history.

My personal opinion is that for most people a monderate amount of soy in a healthy well balanced diet is a good thing. Soy is rich in protein and many nutrients. It also has properties which give it countless uses beyond food as well, much like corn or peanuts which are also quite healthy for most people, but not necessarliy everyone, and only as one part of a much larger picture.

There are probably millions who have had problems from eating soy too, just like some people can smoke all their lives and not get diseases, unfortunately that's life - some are lucky some aren't.

I really don't think its about luck, its really about how everyone's body reacts to things and situations in different ways and some things are meant to be while others are not, its just destiny. But, I agree, really you just have to do whatever you feel is right for you and take whatever comes to you. Thats just the way it goes--we can't all live forever.

Something seems a little off in her argument. I'd like to read the book to get a better grasp and see what greater concrete supports she has. Thanks for sharing though!

Yeah, yeah, more soy-bashing by some biased author.

 

She claims that soy causes digestive distress (without citing any peer-reviewed studies) - I've never heard of anyone suffering from it, and I'm surrounded by people who eat miso, tofu, soy sauce, etc. on an almost daily basis.

She also claims that (again without citing any peer-reviewed studies) phytoestrogens lower testosterone in animals and humans. 

Whoever this "doctor" is, it would behoove her to present some sort of evidence to back up her claims, and also demonstrate that she is not a paid stooge of the beef or dairy industries, as the backers of most anti-soy propaganda have been.

 Japan has much better longevity than the US, DESPITE the fact that they have twice as many smokers than the US, and the reason is because of healthful foods like fish, tofu, miso, tsukemono and much lower intake of trans and saturated fats and less overeating in general (the average US diet is an absurd 3500 calories per day - it's amazing everyone isn't obese...)

It's an interview, don't think she's going to cite stuff, though I'm sure she does in her book.

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The main point I want to make is that Asians don't actually eat very much soy. Peter Golbitz, of Soyatech Inc, a soy-industry information center based in Maine, reports that the average consumption per year in China, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, and Taiwan ranges from 9.3 grams to 36 grams per day. Compare that to a single cup of tofu that weighs in at 252 grams and think about the people you know who are eating soy every day, several times a day.

Others too have reported that Asians eat very little soy. When T. Colin Campbell of Cornell University traveled around China to survey the dietary habits of 6,500 adults in 130 rural villages, he reported that they ate an average of 12 grams of legumes per day. Probably only about one third of this amount is soy.

Finally, keep in mind that the type of food Asians eat is very different from the soy that's appearing on the American table. Think small amounts of old-fashioned whole soy products like miso and tempeh, not soy sausages, soy burgers, chicken-like soy patties, TVP chili, tofu cheesecake, packaged soymilk or any other of the ingenious new soy products that have infiltrated the American marketplace.

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I'd say that people who are healthy can safely eat several small servings of soy foods per week, preferably the old-fashioned foods such as miso, tempeh, and natto. They can also safely use shoyu or tamari soy sauce as a condiment. Those are found at health food stores and are far superior to the soy sauces sold at supermarkets.

I wouldn't exceed an average of 36 grams per day — an amount equivalent to what's ordinarily eaten in Japan, which is the country with the highest soy consumption in Asia.

Anyway I'm not trying to bash soy eating, just defending her points :)

Original Post by vicereine:

Finally, keep in mind that the type of food Asians eat is very different from the soy that's appearing on the American table. Think small amounts of old-fashioned whole soy products like miso and tempeh, not soy sausages, soy burgers, chicken-like soy patties, TVP chili, tofu cheesecake, packaged soymilk or any other of the ingenious new soy products that have infiltrated the American marketplace.

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I'd say that people who are healthy can safely eat several small servings of soy foods per week, preferably the old-fashioned foods such as miso, tempeh, and natto. They can also safely use shoyu or tamari soy sauce as a condiment. Those are found at health food stores and are far superior to the soy sauces sold at supermarkets.

I wouldn't exceed an average of 36 grams per day — an amount equivalent to what's ordinarily eaten in Japan, which is the country with the highest soy consumption in Asia.

Anyway I'm not trying to bash soy eating, just defending her points :)

 Well, I do agree with that, and I personally have no interest in factory-concocted fake foods just because they are made with soy.  And I am not trying to advocate making soy the staple of one's diet, but I do believe it's a healthful addition to the diet, but I have always felt that variety was also crucial for good nutrition - getting all kinds of veggies, fruits, legumes, whole grains, and if you eat  meat, then meat, poultry and fish in proper proportions.