Am I an evil conservative hate-monger? ::The other side to Phylbean's post:: :)

Or just a good conservative?

This thread is explores the “other side” of the Phylbean post titled “Am I unpatriotic”.  P.S. Phylbean, the answer is no.

1)      I do support the war in Iraq, the surge, AND the troops.  I wasn’t a fan of the war at the beginning, but we are there now and we are winning.  The number of U.S. combat deaths in September dropped 86 percent from where they were a year ago for September, making it one of the least deadly months since the war began. Violence against Iraqi civilians is also down about 70%. We've turned over more and more provinces to Iraqi control...their infrastructure is being rebuilt and their economy is on the rise. Iraq's oil production is up to around 2.5 million barrels per day and they just posted a budget SURPLUS of $70 billion. In fact, the Surge has worked so well, it now seems that we will start withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.  WOOT! 

2)      Flag-burning is our right as Americans, but if I see someone burning a flag, I will send glares your way.  Why?  For me, our flag symbolizes my hopes for our country, our troops, our way of life, and all of those who have fought for it.  If you want to make a statement, fantastic.  Make a sign, organize a march, get involved!!  You can make much more of a difference doing the above then burning a flag. 

3)      I believe taxes are need to a certain extent, but personal responsibility should remain on the forefront of our minds!  I don’t want my money going to some research study concerning cross breeding two types of fish.  I don’t want my money going to someone else’s heath care unless they have a serious life-threatening problem.  I do NOT want it going to someone who by choice dropped out of high school, and surprisingly can’t find a job.  I want to save my money for my retirement and my children’s future. 

4)      I believe that the life begins at conception.  I believe that all abortion should be illegal, except in cases that risk the mother’s health.  People can do whatever they want, have sex with whoever they want, with as many people as they want.  That is their choice.  Once a woman becomes pregnant though, all of that goes out the window.  I think adoption should be focused on more. 

5)       I am not the hugest fan of W., but I don’t think he is evil or stupid, and I certainly don’t hate him. 

6)      I also believe that everyone has the right to practice whatever religion they want to.  I believe in the separation of church and State.  However, I am annoyed when I see the full fledged attack on Christians in our media, schools, and general society.  If half of the things I hear demeaning Christianity were said about the Jewish faith or the Islamic religion, there would be a revolt.  Just saying. 

7)      I like guns.  I go to the fire range every other week to shoot guns.   I don’t mind backround checks, or mental heath checks, but don’t even try to take away my guns!  I’m sorry, but if someone enters my home in the middle of the night and starts up the stairs where my baby girl sleeps, I am using my gun and I aim well.

Cheers. 

Hate monger?  Definitely not.

Evil Conservative? - as a liberal, that seems kind of redundant to me, but you don't seem evil, so I'll with no on that one too.     Comments:

#2 - Definitely agree.  I don't get all nostalgic and assign as much meaning to it as you, but there are far more productive and effective uses of one's time if they are truly upset with the way things are.

#4 - You mentioned that people have the choice to have sex or not, but I'm wondering about the ones who didn't get the choice. I personally can't imagine forcing a victim of rape and/or incest to go through with a pregnancy.

#7 - I hate guns, but hate the idea of overzealous gun control even more.

I think you are a reasonable human being. What bothers me is more when anyone (liberal or conservative) doesn't really understand why they agree or disagree with something, and just tout rhetoric. You seem to have rational arguments behind all of your points, and I can respect that.

One thing that I'd like to point out, though- I think people don't realize how often abortions are necessary to protect the mother. For example, with ectopic pregnancies, which are very common, unless the fetus aborts itself, the mother will have to undergo an abortion. Otherwise, she could very well die. Not saying you don't know this, it's just a point that I feel needs to be made whenever the life-of-the-mother exception is mentioned.

1. Evidently there is more to the surge than we're being told. Some tactical changes on the ground of which the media is not aware.

2. But you wouldn't outlaw it, correct? A matter of preference, that is turned into a debate as a way to create dividity between the parties, IMO.

3. You oppose Medicare, Social Security and coverage for congress, then, I assume?

4. Even in cases of rape and/or incest? And why should an abortion be an acceptable alternative in the case of the mother's health? Isn't that also God's will?  You have to be able to defend the postion 100% of the time, especially if you want to put people in jail for having the procedure.

5. Matter of preference.  Republicans didn't want him at the convention, so it's obviously not a plank in the platform.

6. Resentment of the 'Christian Right' is the overriding issue here, as religion can have no place in our governance. Neither Judaism or Islam preaches missionary work as a demonstration of faith, which may also be part of the problem.

7. Concur. :)

One more thing re: "If half of the things I hear demeaning Christianity were said about the Jewish faith or the Islamic religion, there would be a revolt."

I think the fact that people will openly admit not wanting to vote for Obama because they believes he's a Muslim is incredibly demeaning to Islam. It's like Muslim = evil or unAmerican.

Crazy,

    I think you have pretty concisely written a conservative summary which I completely agree with. 

From the non-Christian side, the attack on Separation of Church and State by the far right is very, very obvious, as is the attempt to insert Christianity into our daily lives. I think that's where a lot of the anti-christian anger comes from. I'd be just as ticked at Jews if they were always trying to outlaw bacon.

You know, as a Non-Christian.. I think Christianity does deserve alot of the knocks it gets.

Firstly, there's the Christian Right who successfully managed to take over a good portion of the Republican Party. The ones that believe that this nation should be governed by the tenets of the Bible, and not much else.

The second.. is not a political issue, but *IS* a religious one. It's the fact that Christianity, all the various branches of it, believes that they're religion is so superior, so correct.. that it's their DUTY to convert others to it. That is such a pompous, arrogant and, frankly, wrong belief that drives, I think, EVERY non-Christian batty at some point or another.

I think that pompous, arrogant attitude, that your way is best btw, is why you guys get so many knock-downs and deserve it.

If you could live without sticking your faith in my face as often as it seems to happen, I think there'd be ALOT less anger and restment towards Christianity. But as things stand.. there's your bed. You made it, go sleep in it.

I don't think you come across as evil, but ignorant on certain subjects.

You would probably think the same of me.

i don't think you're evil or a hate-monger.  i just think that--like a lot of republicans--you want to believe that social issues are simple when they're really not.  but that might change.

"Am I an evil conservative hate-monger... or just a good conservative?"

-What's the difference?

Original Post by kathygator:

4. Even in cases of rape and/or incest? And why should an abortion be an acceptable alternative in the case of the mother's health? Isn't that also God's will?  You have to be able to defend the postion 100% of the time, especially if you want to put people in jail for having the procedure.

 As state above, I believe life starts at conception.  I do not believe we should terminate a fetus/child because of the father.  Especially in this case, I believe the child should be placed for adoption.  The mother/father may not be able to raise/love the child, but another family definitely could. 

As for the health issue, if the mother's life is at risk, then i do believe abortion should be an option, but this would be up to the mother.  Some mother's would choose to save the baby, but it's a life for a life. 

I don't want people to be placed in jail for having an abortion.  No way.  If abortion is illegal, then the doctors or persons performing the abortion should be prosecuted.

But, that's just me.

Original Post by crazineko:

However, I am annoyed when I see the full fledged attack on Christians in our media, schools, and general society. 

What "full fledged attacks" on Christians are you seeing in the media and schools?

BTW - Comments demeaning Islam are all over the place, however, I haven't seen any revolts as of late.

Original Post by jblarghp:

I don't think you come across as evil, but ignorant on certain subjects.

You would probably think the same of me.

 Maybe your right, but I am curious about this "ignorance" you speak of. 

Original Post by crazineko:

As for the health issue, if the mother's life is at risk, then i do believe abortion should be an option, but this would be up to the mother. 

what about the mother's mental health?  what about her educational, social, and financial well-being?

Original Post by crazineko:

I don't want people to be placed in jail for having an abortion.  No way.  If abortion is illegal, then the doctors or persons performing the abortion should be prosecuted.

What if a doctor isn't involved?  That is, a woman brought into the hospital for what appears to be a miscarriage, which is later found out to be an induced miscarriage by any number of means at a woman's disposal.  Should something happen to the woman then?

If you think abortion is infanticide, why SHOULDN'T the mother be prosecuted? Are you saying women are incapable of making the decision and it's all the fault of the evil doctors? Maybe it's because I'm prochoice that this doesnt' make any sense to me, but why wouldn't you prosecute both the mother and the abortionist? You get prosecuted if you hire someone to murder your spouse, what's the difference here (if, again, you think abortion is infanticide)?

Original Post by crazineko:

Original Post by kathygator:

4. Even in cases of rape and/or incest? And why should an abortion be an acceptable alternative in the case of the mother's health? Isn't that also God's will?  You have to be able to defend the postion 100% of the time, especially if you want to put people in jail for having the procedure.

 As state above, I believe life starts at conception.  I do not believe we should terminate a fetus/child because of the father.  Especially in this case, I believe the child should be placed for adoption.  The mother/father may not be able to raise/love the child, but another family definitely could. 

This is the issue I have with the Pro-Life stance. It's so easy to just tell a woman to give a child up for adoption. Where are the pro-lifers when that baby is being neglected in the system? Where are the pro-lifers when that woman is severely depressed after carrying a rape baby for 9 months?

you know, i find it strange that so many republicans/libertarians are all over the "personal responsibility" thing when it comes to social programs, education, poverty, etc. but then want to dictate what a woman does with her body.