Am I an evil conservative hate-monger? ::The other side to Phylbean's post:: :)

Or just a good conservative?

This thread is explores the “other side” of the Phylbean post titled “Am I unpatriotic”.  P.S. Phylbean, the answer is no.

1)      I do support the war in Iraq, the surge, AND the troops.  I wasn’t a fan of the war at the beginning, but we are there now and we are winning.  The number of U.S. combat deaths in September dropped 86 percent from where they were a year ago for September, making it one of the least deadly months since the war began. Violence against Iraqi civilians is also down about 70%. We've turned over more and more provinces to Iraqi control...their infrastructure is being rebuilt and their economy is on the rise. Iraq's oil production is up to around 2.5 million barrels per day and they just posted a budget SURPLUS of $70 billion. In fact, the Surge has worked so well, it now seems that we will start withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.  WOOT! 

2)      Flag-burning is our right as Americans, but if I see someone burning a flag, I will send glares your way.  Why?  For me, our flag symbolizes my hopes for our country, our troops, our way of life, and all of those who have fought for it.  If you want to make a statement, fantastic.  Make a sign, organize a march, get involved!!  You can make much more of a difference doing the above then burning a flag. 

3)      I believe taxes are need to a certain extent, but personal responsibility should remain on the forefront of our minds!  I don’t want my money going to some research study concerning cross breeding two types of fish.  I don’t want my money going to someone else’s heath care unless they have a serious life-threatening problem.  I do NOT want it going to someone who by choice dropped out of high school, and surprisingly can’t find a job.  I want to save my money for my retirement and my children’s future. 

4)      I believe that the life begins at conception.  I believe that all abortion should be illegal, except in cases that risk the mother’s health.  People can do whatever they want, have sex with whoever they want, with as many people as they want.  That is their choice.  Once a woman becomes pregnant though, all of that goes out the window.  I think adoption should be focused on more. 

5)       I am not the hugest fan of W., but I don’t think he is evil or stupid, and I certainly don’t hate him. 

6)      I also believe that everyone has the right to practice whatever religion they want to.  I believe in the separation of church and State.  However, I am annoyed when I see the full fledged attack on Christians in our media, schools, and general society.  If half of the things I hear demeaning Christianity were said about the Jewish faith or the Islamic religion, there would be a revolt.  Just saying. 

7)      I like guns.  I go to the fire range every other week to shoot guns.   I don’t mind backround checks, or mental heath checks, but don’t even try to take away my guns!  I’m sorry, but if someone enters my home in the middle of the night and starts up the stairs where my baby girl sleeps, I am using my gun and I aim well.

Cheers. 

Another issue in the abortion debate is for the women who find out the baby they're carrying is going to have a terrible birth defect. If it's the type that would be fatal should the woman be forced to carry it to term just to watch it die?

What if the defect is not terminal, but there would be no real quality of life? Who's going to take care of all of these babies?

Original Post by kathygator:

But that could be said of 25% (or whatever the failure rate is) of all pregnancies, regardless.

See. If you are against it for moral reasons, then in my view, the morality is or should be unshakable. Although I don't agree with trust that you should be bombing clinics, I do think you have to live with all the consequences. Including the possiblity of losing the mother.

Further, how many rich white families would prevail upon their kind old family doctor to say the fetus is not viable in order to perform the abortion?

edit: in response to #47.

 

 When I say “at the risk of the mother’s health”, I mean in cases of life and death, not all high risk pregnancies.  Most high risk pregnancy are monitored very carefully, and treatments are conducted with minimal harm to mother and fetus/baby.  Examples of high risk conditions would be diabetes, pregnancy induced hypertension, cancer, etc.  In many of these, doctors decide to take the baby before full term.  If from a medical standpoint, the chances of the mother’s death is high, then the mother should be given the chance to choose an abortion. 

I'm curious, what makes you believe the sanctity of the mother's life in a your fatal high risk scenario outweigh that of her unborn child.

Original Post by floggingsully:

Original Post by crazineko:

Original Post by floggingsully:

Original Post by crazineko:

7) Don't know why you think this makes you a conservative. I and many other liberals believe in the right to bear arms.  Many Liberals want to make guns illegal (ie. the DC gun ban).

Guns were never illegal in DC. 

 This is what I am refering to.. Please read the first few paragraphs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17538139/

I know what you were refering to (and the article is pretty dated, the ruling it discusses was appealed up to, and upheld by, the supreme court).

It doesn't chance the fact that guns were never illegal and were never banned in DC.  DC put limits on the type of gun a person can own, as have every other jurisdiction in the US.

 Prior to a few months ago, residents of DC could be convicted of a felony and put in prison simply for having a gun in their home, even if they live in a very dangerous neighborhood. 

i find it interesting, crazi, how selective you are in whcih questions you decide to answer and which you ignore.

Original Post by crazineko:

 Prior to a few months ago, residents of DC could be convicted of a felony and put in prison simply for having a gun in their home, even if they live in a very dangerous neighborhood. 

No, people have always been able to legally keep guns in their homes in DC. However, just like in every other jurisdiction in the US, there were limits on which type of gun you were allowed to own.

Owning a gun was never illegal in DC. 

Original Post by pgeorgian:

i find it interesting, crazi, how selective you are in whcih questions you decide to answer and which you ignore.

Maybe taking a page out of Gov. Palin's playbook? 

hee!  i can see russia from my house.

edit: brain fart ;)

Doesn't matter which ones crazi answers, as long as she reads all of them with an open mind, and really thinks about things, does it?

yeah, you're right, 'gator.  as usual.

now that is high praise, Pg. Deserved or not, I'm grateful.

Gawd! Every time I see that dog I want to kiss its face!

me, too ;)

unfortunately, she tends to kiss back.

Original Post by moonikins:

Here are my replies to the OP's list:

1) I was vehemently opposed to us invading Iraq. I didn't believe we had good reason to invade Iraq and that was proven. Once we did though I supported the troops. I was not at all surprised when the war went sour because there was no planning for what to do after the initial invasion was over. I have been very happy that the surge worked so well. I still believe we never should have been there in the first place. I don't know why you think your views on this first point are so conservative.

2) I don't want our flag burned either. I do however support the right to do so. I'd say you are a minority as a conservative to think we have the right to do so.

3) I believe we are all in the same boat and that the boat won't stay afloat without all of us working together and helping each other. I believe I am responsible on a moral basis for the plight of all my fellow people and where I can aid I will. I don't believe many of the programs as they are now funded really work or work efficiently.

4) I believe that the zygote/embryo is alive. I do not believe this trumps the woman's rights in any way.

5) I don't believe W is evil. I do believe he is stupid in many ways. I don't believe he is the true president, I believe that person is Cheney, and Bush is just munipulated into doing/saying whatever Cheney and his other cronies want him to do. I'm not sure he'll ever realize this though. I don't hate him personally. I hate what he has done to our country.

6) Christians by and large have created their own bed. They are just now receiving a backlash that is long overdue.

7) Don't know why you think this makes you a conservative. I and many other liberals believe in the right to bear arms.

 Very, very well said.  I can't think of a single thing to add.  It's almost as if you were inside my mind when you wrote this.  Thank you.

PG you are so on..... who's responsibility does the child become when noone wants to adopt.... the low birth weight, malnurished, crack attended, hyper active, HIV infected callichy baby once the mother is forced to birth it!!!

ultimately this would be far more taxing on the TAX PAYER than anything.... i work with kids in foster care and aside from the $100 a day the state dishes out to pay the foster care agency and then the foster parent another few thousand a year is paid for by the tax payer in state health care..... Now multiply that by four children per foster home.... and then by the 70 homes my agency sponsors...... $$$$.... seeing dollar signs yet?!?!?

and dont let me forget the grave injustice we do these children by them being raised by the state..... IN FACT.... children raised in foster care are done far more an injustice than an aborted zygote/embryo!!!!

Original Post by pgeorgian:

i find it interesting, crazi, how selective you are in whcih questions you decide to answer and which you ignore.

What questions are we talking about?  I am at work, and can't answer every question.  I try to answer many questions at a time in one post if I can.  There are some posts that I won't touch.  Examples of this would be HK's first posts about Christians and Trusts comments about abortion.  Why?  Because if I did, I would be setting off a fire-storm that I don't have time for (once again, at work!), and frankly I have a feeling this thread would be closed down if I did. Overall, I answer whatever catches my eye, unless it is insulting then I either call the poster out or ignore them.  Don't read into my posting methods too much pg. No conspiracies here.

Original Post by yellagirljay:

and dont let me forget the grave injustice we do these children by them being raised by the state..... IN FACT.... children raised in foster care are done far more an injustice than an aborted zygote/embryo!!!!

 So, what you are saying is that it is better to kill the child before birth so they won't be raised in foster care?  That doesn't make sense, but maybe that's just me.

well yes.... in fact that is what i am saying.... the baby is not subject to possible abuse or neglect if aborted.... it does not have to spend a life time wondering why it wasnt wanted by it's natural parents.... it doesnt have to be bounced from home to home when one family no longer can deal with the child's emotional disturbances..... indeed i am saying it is best to abort an unwanted pregnancy than to have an unwanted child grown up as state property!!!

Yes, but forced births and criminalizing a medical procedure, makes even less sense. For many it is better to terminate the pregnancy than commit a child to a life of misery and despair. It's a tough choice a woman makes, Crazi, but it is a choice no woman should be denied.

There would be no way to legislate or enforce a pro-life agenda. It would create more misery than it would prevent.

This is not to say I personally would choose abortion - but I could never, in good conscience, force my personal preferences on another human like that, or deign to judge them for their decision. 

When I was in my early teens I did some volunteer work at the state institute where my mother worked. It was a state hospital for the mentally retarded. I was given a tour of the ward for the severely retarded. When I say severely, I mean severely. You'd have to see it in person to actually believe it. Ever since I was old enough to understand abortion, I think back to those people and realize they, and everyone around them, would have been better off if they had not been born.

It sounds cruel and heartless to anyone who has never been exposed to these poor people. All it takes is to see them, to look in their eyes, to see the haunted faces of their parents and you realize it isn't cruel or heartless at all.

I totally agree yella! Plus it'd be saving the taxpayer's money, less kids in foster care, less welfare for poor mothers.

Seriously, if everyone's supposed to just give their unwanted babies up for adoption instead of just terminating, who is going to adopt them? All of the rich white anti-choice Christians? Somehow I doubt that.

Edited to say: Not trying to make it sound like all I care about is taxpayer's money.. I'm also agreeing to yella's statement about saving the children a life of being "property of the state"