Am I an evil conservative hate-monger? ::The other side to Phylbean's post:: :)
Or just a good conservative?
This thread is explores the “other side” of the Phylbean post titled “Am I unpatriotic”. P.S. Phylbean, the answer is no. 
1) I do support the war in Iraq, the surge, AND the troops. I wasn’t a fan of the war at the beginning, but we are there now and we are winning. The number of U.S. combat deaths in September dropped 86 percent from where they were a year ago for September, making it one of the least deadly months since the war began. Violence against Iraqi civilians is also down about 70%. We've turned over more and more provinces to Iraqi control...their infrastructure is being rebuilt and their economy is on the rise. Iraq's oil production is up to around 2.5 million barrels per day and they just posted a budget SURPLUS of $70 billion. In fact, the Surge has worked so well, it now seems that we will start withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq. WOOT!
2) Flag-burning is our right as Americans, but if I see someone burning a flag, I will send glares your way. Why? For me, our flag symbolizes my hopes for our country, our troops, our way of life, and all of those who have fought for it. If you want to make a statement, fantastic. Make a sign, organize a march, get involved!! You can make much more of a difference doing the above then burning a flag.
3) I believe taxes are need to a certain extent, but personal responsibility should remain on the forefront of our minds! I don’t want my money going to some research study concerning cross breeding two types of fish. I don’t want my money going to someone else’s heath care unless they have a serious life-threatening problem. I do NOT want it going to someone who by choice dropped out of high school, and surprisingly can’t find a job. I want to save my money for my retirement and my children’s future.
4) I believe that the life begins at conception. I believe that all abortion should be illegal, except in cases that risk the mother’s health. People can do whatever they want, have sex with whoever they want, with as many people as they want. That is their choice. Once a woman becomes pregnant though, all of that goes out the window. I think adoption should be focused on more.
5) I am not the hugest fan of W., but I don’t think he is evil or stupid, and I certainly don’t hate him.
6) I also believe that everyone has the right to practice whatever religion they want to. I believe in the separation of church and State. However, I am annoyed when I see the full fledged attack on Christians in our media, schools, and general society. If half of the things I hear demeaning Christianity were said about the Jewish faith or the Islamic religion, there would be a revolt. Just saying.
7) I like guns. I go to the fire range every other week to shoot guns. I don’t mind backround checks, or mental heath checks, but don’t even try to take away my guns! I’m sorry, but if someone enters my home in the middle of the night and starts up the stairs where my baby girl sleeps, I am using my gun and I aim well.
Cheers. 
Original Post by crazineko:What questions are we talking about? I am at work, and can't answer every question. I try to answer many questions at a time in one post if I can. There are some posts that I won't touch. Examples of this would be HK's first posts about Christians and Trusts comments about abortion. Why? Because if I did, I would be setting off a fire-storm that I don't have time for (once again, at work!), and frankly I have a feeling this thread would be closed down if I did. Overall, I answer whatever catches my eye, unless it is insulting then I either call the poster out or ignore them. Don't read into my posting methods too much pg. No conspiracies here.
okay, crazi. i'd like to hear your responses to the following posts: 15, 16/17, 29/30, 54/58, and 63.
Original Post by hayleymajayley:
I totally agree yella! Plus it'd be saving the taxpayer's money, less kids in foster care, less welfare for poor mothers.
i would like to see it go much farther than this, hayley. i don't see it as just an issue for those on assistance; i think the fact that you can personally afford to support three or four or more kids does not give you the right to contribute to global over-population. i'd like to see married, stable, wealthy families abort more pregnancies, too.
Mooni thank you for sharing that example.... because it is a sad truth that i think folks like our OP like to ignore.... that there are more often instances when an abortion is the best option.... versus this mistical belief that women are using it as a form of birth control......
in addition hayley you hit the nail on the head..... when adotive parents are looking to adopt.... they are not looking to adopt the children who actually need parents..... they look for blonde, blue eyed healthy babies.... not circumstantially disturbed toddlers.......
not saying blonde, blue eyed babies dont need parents.... i'm saying when people go out to purchase a puppy.... they look for healthy puppies..... healthy puppies more readily find a home than rescue puppies.... well the sad truth is this also applies to children!!!
Very true PG. It bothers me when looking at the "pregnancy and parenting" forum all these people saying they're on their third or fourth... someone said their doctor had 4 and had one on the way. Ridiculous!
And that Duggar family is just disturbing. 17 kids and still going! Not cool.
Though really, at that point, there should be no need for abortions, just a vasectomy. Or, having a C-section with your second kid? Get your tubes tied at the same time. Easy. If you want more after that, go ahead and adopt.
yellagirl, i really appreciate your frankness about this.
the fact is, there's no shortage of babies out there right now, and more shiny white babies just means fewer potential homes for the ones who already need them. people aren't going to stop having sex, and birth control is never going to be 100% (even when it is used, and used properly), and there are too many people on the planet.
a friend of mine adopted a little girl from china. it's been a wonderful experience; the kid is happy, healthy, bright, beautiful, and well-adjusted. why? because the unhealthy, dim, homely, poorly-adjusted babies aren't made available for adoption. the chinese government wants successful adoptions, so only the prime babies get families; the rest get to live out their childhoods in institutions and age-out into a hostile world with few opportunities.
Original Post by hayleymajayley:
And that Duggar family is just disturbing. 17 kids and still going! Not cool.
i don't understand that. at some point, doesn't your uterus just fall out?
Oh how I wish that were the case. Apparently she has a super-uterus.
Original Post by crazineko:
Original Post by kathygator:4. Even in cases of rape and/or incest? And why should an abortion be an acceptable alternative in the case of the mother's health? Isn't that also God's will? You have to be able to defend the postion 100% of the time, especially if you want to put people in jail for having the procedure.
As state above, I believe life starts at conception. I do not believe we should terminate a fetus/child because of the father. Especially in this case, I believe the child should be placed for adoption. The mother/father may not be able to raise/love the child, but another family definitely could.
As for the health issue, if the mother's life is at risk, then i do believe abortion should be an option, but this would be up to the mother. Some mother's would choose to save the baby, but it's a life for a life.
I don't want people to be placed in jail for having an abortion. No way. If abortion is illegal, then the doctors or persons performing the abortion should be prosecuted.
But, that's just me.
Please don't think I'm attacking your views and beliefs! I fully support your right to believe as you choose. However, every time I hear these positions from a conservative, questions spring to my mind. Would you mind answering a few about abortion?
How many "unadoptable" babies are you willing to adopt? Would you willingly take a child into your home knowing the father was a rapist? How about a baby conceived by incest who might have genetic problems? How many unwed mothers who have been kicked out by their families will you take into your home so they aren't abandoned. Since you won't have your tax dollars going to health care, will you pay the medical expenses? What will you do for a pregnant woman whose spouse beats her?
I hope you are willing to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Seriously, how would you address these very real problems?
Adoption should be made easier with protections for the adoptive parents that the adoption wouldn't be contested later. Women pregnant with unwanted babies should be nurtured and cared for if they choose not to abort. So many abortions are done because of desparation. You could try to end the desparation (as liberals do by promoting social programs), or actually doing something yourself and encouraging other Christians to do the same.
Original Post by pgeorgian:
As for the health issue, if the mother's life is at risk, then i do believe abortion should be an option, but this would be up to the mother.
what about the mother's mental health? what
what about the mother's mental health? what about her educational, social, and financial well-being?
Mental health? You know that is a good question. I would say that in most mental health cases, no. Mental health could be that the woman is "overly stressed". I would say that the mental illness would have to be to the extreme. As in, she would be severely suicidal.
What about her educational, social, and financial situation? Once again, I believe that life begins at conception. So, if the mother is looking for help attaining her GED, or needs help finding a job there are organizations that can help her. Does she have a family that can help her raise the child? If she is religious, what about her church/temple/etc. Or what about community resources in her area? If she does not want to parent, there are organizations that can help her with an adoption plan.
Original Post by crazineko:
Mental health? You know that is a good question. I would say that in most mental health cases, no. Mental health could be that the woman is "overly stressed". I would say that the mental illness would have to be to the extreme. As in, she would be severely suicidal.
What about her educational, social, and financial situation? Once again, I believe that life begins at conception. So, if the mother is looking for help attaining her GED, or needs help finding a job there are organizations that can help her. Does she have a family that can help her raise the child? If she is religious, what about her church/temple/etc. Or what about community resources in her area? If she does not want to parent, there are organizations that can help her with an adoption plan.
Original Post by crazineko:
3) I believe taxes are need to a certain extent, but personal responsibility should remain on the forefront of our minds! I don’t want my money going to some research study concerning cross breeding two types of fish. I don’t want my money going to someone else’s heath care unless they have a serious life-threatening problem. I do NOT want it going to someone who by choice dropped out of high school, and surprisingly can’t find a job. I want to save my money for my retirement and my children’s future
Contradicting yourself there. :P
Edit: Also, this talk of rape and the mother having to carry to term makes me feel sick. I don't talk about this, but I was a victim when I was 13, I didn't get pregnant, but there is NO WAY I would've carried a baby to term. At 13, can you imagine the mental trauma of being pregnant with a monster's baby? AT 13! Can you imagine the damages it will do to a young person's body? Can you imagine what her peers will think/say? Ugh ugh ugh.
Sorry but it really angers me. NO ONE should have to go through that. It took me many years to get over what happened to me, and still now, I can't even use the R word and myself in the same sentence. It's disgusting, no one should have to go through that.
cpt bunny, Crazy isn't contradicting herself, she's simply saying there are organizations out there... she just doesn't want HER tax money going towards them!
And I'm really sorry that you had to go through that :[ especially at such a young age! And I agree, NO ONE sould have to go through something like that.
so chronic mental health isn't serious enough to warrant that a woman make her own choices about her own body? unless she's going to suicide (and, of course, take the fetus with her), she's not entitled to health?
her GED? help finding a job? again with the assumption that this woman is uneducated and destitute. what's that about? does that assumption allow conservatives to feel benevolent about dictating medical choice?
maybe she's an MBA making six figures and doesn't want to contribute to overpopulation. maybe she has a really flash one-bedroom condo and doesn't want to have to move.
and suddenly you're all over the social programs? wasn't this your opinion:
I don’t want my money going to someone else’s heath care unless they have a serious life-threatening problem. I do NOT want it going to someone who by choice dropped out of high school, and surprisingly can’t find a job.
Original Post by hayleymajayley:
cpt bunny, Crazy isn't contradicting herself, she's simply saying there are organizations out there... she just doesn't want HER tax money going towards them!
Yes, but... you can't control where your tax money goes. And if you're pro-life and want to make the mother have this child by force... SOMEONE has to take care of it. You can't be anti-welfare and still expect women to forcefully give birth. Someone has to take care of that baby, whether it's the mother or the state.
I personally will adopt when I'm ready, but the child I want is from China.
Edit: PG just said exactly what I'm trying to. ^
Edit2: Speaking of force. Forced to have sex against her will and then forced to have this monster's child by the LAW. So vomit-inducing.
Original Post by cptbunny:
Original Post by crazineko:
Mental health? You know that is a good question. I would say that in most mental health cases, no. Mental health could be that the woman is "overly stressed". I would say that the mental illness would have to be to the extreme. As in, she would be severely suicidal.
What about her educational, social, and financial situation? Once again, I believe that life begins at conception. So, if the mother is looking for help attaining her GED, or needs help finding a job there are organizations that can help her. Does she have a family that can help her raise the child? If she is religious, what about her church/temple/etc. Or what about community resources in her area? If she does not want to parent, there are organizations that can help her with an adoption plan.
Original Post by crazineko:
3) I believe taxes are need to a certain extent, but personal responsibility should remain on the forefront of our minds! I don’t want my money going to some research study concerning cross breeding two types of fish. I don’t want my money going to someone else’s heath care unless they have a serious life-threatening problem. I do NOT want it going to someone who by choice dropped out of high school, and surprisingly can’t find a job. I want to save my money for my retirement and my children’s future
Contradicting yourself there. :PAh, but I am not. There are many resources and non-profit organizations that are NOT funded by the government or run by the government.
Edit: Also, this talk of rape and the mother having to carry to term makes me feel sick. I don't talk about this, but I was a victim when I was 13, I didn't get pregnant, but there is NO WAY I would've carried a baby to term. At 13, can you imagine the mental trauma of being pregnant with a monster's baby? AT 13! Can you imagine the damages it will do to a young person's body? Can you imagine what her peers will think/say? Ugh ugh ugh.
Sorry but it really angers me. NO ONE should have to go through that. It took me many years to get over what happened to me, and still now, I can't even use the R word and myself in the same sentence. It's disgusting, no one should have to go through that.
Cptbunny-Please understand that this is from a respect for life standpoint. Sorry, girl.
totally, bunny. totally. and i'm sorry.
Original Post by crazineko:Cptbunny-Please understand that this is from a respect for life standpoint. Sorry, girl.
the point is, crazi, you're taking a very selective view of what constitutes respect. how about a little respect for the women we're talking about?
I guess it's hard to put yourself in other people's shoes. Or even try to comprehend how they might feel. And mentally, no one is mentally stable after that happens to them, it takes YEARS to get better. And the thought that a monster's baby is running around out there with HIS GENES will just make it even more traumatizing.
I don't even know how someone would want to take care of themselves while pregnant. Especially all the bad things that can happen during pregnancy. Permanent damages and such.
And with the overpopulation of the world and how the Earth is slowly dying because of PEOPLE, why would you want MORE? Does the Earth not matter? Because I think it matters. I think it's more important than where my taxes are going or who's getting welfare. Because without Earth, we don't exist (therefore many deaths... including fetuses!).
Original Post by pgeorgian:
so chronic mental health isn't serious enough to warrant that a woman make her own choices about her own body? unless she's going to suicide (and, of course, take the fetus with her), she's not entitled to health?
Your response is worded oddly, but I'll give this one a go. Yeah, the illness would have to be severe. If not, anyone could claim they were "mentally unstable" enough to warrant an abortion. Not sure where you get the entitled to health idea.
her GED? help finding a job? again with the assumption that this woman is uneducated and destitute. what's that about? does that assumption allow conservatives to feel benevolent about dictating medical choice?
maybe she's an MBA making six figures and doesn't want to contribute to overpopulation. maybe she has a really flash one-bedroom condo and doesn't want to have to move.
Hey, whatever. You set the question up this way. If you wanted me to answer a certain way you should have provided additional info to your questions. Many of the posts have been talking about the lower income folks, so I answered your question this way. Honestly, if she was so concerned about overpopulation, then why didn't she use protection and contraception? And, who says she has to keep the child?
and suddenly you're all over the social programs? wasn't this your opinion:
I don’t want my money going to someone else’s heath care unless they have a serious life-threatening problem. I do NOT want it going to someone who by choice dropped out of high school, and surprisingly can’t find a job.
This question I just answered. Who said this organization had to be government funded?
mental health is a health issue. mental illness is every bit as debilitating as physical illness.
i think it's beside the point, but no birth control is 100% effective. and adoption does nothing to diminish overpopulation.
whether social programs are government funded or not, the money comes out of the pockets of citizens. so should i assume that you're okay with a social safety net as long as someone other than you coughs up?
Original Post by crazineko:
Honestly, if she was so concerned about overpopulation, then why didn't she use protection and contraception? And, who says she has to keep the child?
Huh? For one, being concerned about overpopulation, why would she want to have the child? She doesn't have to keep it, you're right, but it's adding to the overpopulation. Second, not all women need to be on birth control because not all women are in a relationship or are having sex (in regards to incest/rape).
Edit: Again, basically what PG said. I obviously suck at putting my thoughts into words. :P
