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The New & Improved Calorie Count Dashboard


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As you may have noticed, we revamped our dashboard to make it even easier for you to track your calorie intake and expenditure. On the new dashboard you will see ‘Food’ = calories you eat, ‘Activity’ = the calories you burn through logged exercise, and ‘Remaining ‘= how many calories you have left in your calorie budget to eat for the day. The ‘Remaining’ calorie number is based on what your target intake is set to plus any logged activity which would allow for an increase in your allotted calories. Technically, you want to aim for zero remaining calories at the end of the day to ensure you are not over or under -eating.  

Previously, we had incorporated an activity level which estimated the amount of calories you would burn every day on a baseline level. While it is accurate your body requires a certain number of calories at rest, it is a variable, often inaccurate calculation. Because we want to make things as simple and clear as possible for you, we have removed that number from our dashboard and analysis pages. However, if you were used to the old format, you can switch back by clicking the link on your dashboard.

Added: March 9, 2012 - 9:26am

As you may have noticed, we have incorporated the new design into the Old Dashboard experience. We now also offer a toggle version that allows you to see Net or Remaining calories depending on your preference/or to see both. The selection that you make there affects what your analysis graph displays for you. We've also exposed the water logger and added a date widget. We are listening to your feedback and are doing all we can to ensure you have tools that work for you.

Edited Aug 24 2012 17:13 by Igor
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In general the new dashboard seems fine and well organized, BUT I have one issue.  Under the new dashboard I cannot add water drank while logging food, I have to go back to the main dashboard.  I liked the option of adding it from both places on the old dashboard.

For me it's big, because drinking water is one of the areas I struggle with the most and in the new dashboard it is not as obvious as a reminder.

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I just want to say that I used to have to do some mental gymnastics to get the analysis graph to work for me.  Now it is perfect.  If I set my calorie goal accordingly, I know I just need to maintain a zero average on the graph to stay on track.  Thanks for the change.

Original Post by mrssummersmith:

Original Post by beingzoe:

Original Post by rz90271:

JUST TRY IT.. IT IS GOOD.. JUST KEEP YOUR CALORES IN THE GREEN,IF YOU ARE CONFUSED WITH THAT.. JUST TAKE THE REMAINING CALORIES AND THINK A NEG. SIGN IN FRONT OF IT... THAT IS YOUR NEGITIVES LIKE IN THE OLDEN DAYS..

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I know a lot of people hate change but isn't change why we are here?  It took sometime to get used to but I like the new format, I think it gives more information at a glance instead of bouncing back between logs all the time.

 

While the enthusiasm is great, that is not true.

The calories remaining is a relative number to your daily target. Simply making "calories remaining" postive or negative does not tell your deficit or overage in net calories. Net calories is an absolute number showing (TOTAL BURN - TOTAL INTAKE). Calories remaining is a relative number to the target you've chosen to keep you within certain maximum deficit even with exercise showing ((DAILY TARGET + EXERCISE ONLY BURN) - TOTAL INTAKE).

They are not the same number and do not offer the same data. They both give useful feedback. Calories remaining is a nice simple generalized view of relative success and failure. Net Calories represents a reasonably approximation of the actual deficit or overage that can be literally translated to how many pounds/kg you should be gaining or losing.

That said, again, I continue to query down the road...why is it one or the other? Why can't the dashboard quickly and concisely show both information? The more I ponder this the more I realize, yes, I would like to see calories remaining that would ensure I am maintaining a minimum deficit. That is a great daily at a glance thing to know. But I also want to see my total net calories along with total food and total burn (even if they are approximate and I have to compensate for my actual metabolism and real world results ;) so that I can determine if it is POSSIBLE to create a bigger deficit that day, safely.

I keep engaging in the hopes that there is a discussion happening here. I have done my best to present a logical argument for how sublime your original system was, while appreciating the goal of the new system, and as a "customer" assist in satisifying the needs of what appear to otherwise be diametrically opposed responses.

So I ask the CC team (represented here by Igor and Rachel)? Why is it one or the other? 

Yes, can we get an answer please? =]

Great question! It's one or the other right now since the activity level requires different inputs - Old: total burn, New: only logged exercise. This is definitely a discussion though, both on this forum and on our end, and we are working towards the best solution possible. Thank you for your suggestions and support!

Original Post by mrssummersmith:

(My end of the day post for Calorie Camp)

Nutrition | Calories | Net Cals.    

   A-  .   .   .  1,378 .  .  . -569        ;      

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Why Does it say -569 for Net Cals? Where is this number coming from? I've done all the math I could thing of to figure it out... I have my calorie goal set as my BMR so that my remaining calories is always my deficit.

goal cals.day 1749
remainging 703
food intake 1378
activity -332

See this Post for explanation.

I like the new board but I'm not understanding the graph when I go to analysis. Is the green bars good? and what exactly are they telling me.

Thanks

Please Please Please bring back the old format this new format is confusing i would much rather use the old version i can make out the new one a little but the old one is far superior.

I actually like the new Dashboard format.  I've never used the old Dashboard because I couldn't make sense of it.  I understand the new Dashboard gives me an estimate of how many more calories I should eat for the rest of the day and on the average day I should end at 0.

I dislike the related changes to the analysis tab.  This is the view I use the most.  I liked that as long as the line was green I was making progress toward weight loss, and as long as it ended at no more than -1000 I was eating enough each day.  Now I think the analysis is showing me a variance from my goal, which I can't really use.

Hello,

I find that when I eat enough calories to make up for the exercise deficit, the nutrition bars for the macro nutrients go red, even when they are in the correct ratio.

Not sure how to get to a no deficit with exercise and green macro nutrition bars.

Also brings up the sodium load again, cause as the same with calories, the sodium could be adjusted to allow for what is lost through sweating during exercise.

Thanks,
Bu11wink1e

 

Thank you for putting the water tracker back on the dashboard.

I think some of the people here saying "calories remaining is great,  it shows how many calories you have left to eat"  aren't getting that if you eat these calories,  you will be eating back all the calories you burned thru exercise.  You will be maintaining your weight.  Not losing. 

New system is too confusing -- I hate it -- if this is the mandatory future of CC,  I will be switching to a new website,  and that's one less pair of eyeballs to look at all your pretty ads.

Yeah, the changes are confusing.  I'm sure the intentions are good, but we need things to be crystal clear, not just to regulars, but to everyone, both new and old.  With calculations that are not obvious, a simpler design is needed than this new dashboard style.  Sorry.  I know it's a difficult task to get this right.

I would suggest keeping relabeling the new numbers so there is no confusion about what they mean.  If it's wordy, let a mouse-over explain it for users.  Graphics can also explain a lot without using words.  Perhaps a layered graphic of both eaten and burned calories, or side-by side as a chart graph would work better.  Think about how the calories in and out analysis charts look.  Let's try something more like that.  It would be intuitive.  Just make sure a single day's worth of data is clearly labeled with the numbers.

I also want my water log on my food log page.  Furthermore, I'd like activities to be on a combined "Log" page as well, so I can see both foods and activities on one page, similarly to what we see in completed reports for Calorie Camp.  

The new look is nice but what ever you did to the website now prevents me from viewing it on certain networks. Took long to load and times out or just doesn't respond at all.

It would be nice if the total calories eaten were more emphasized than the balanced out total of what you've eaten minus exercise out of total cals.  While it is a neat feature, it's very very misleading.  The estimate on how much I have burned is much more helpful than a number that doesn't at all tell me about my day and may even presuade me to eat more.

The new graph is confusing  and gives zero useful information.  While the estimated calories may be sometimes inaccurate,  it is far better than the 600 calories I'm in the green that takes into account my exercise and food above zero.  It's a virtually useless number becauseit give no infomation about whether or not i have a surplus or deficit. 

 

Overall:  Dashboard is not very useful but I can deal.

The graph. CHANGE IT BACK to a simple estimated deficit system that gives real meaning!

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I am not a fan of the new look.  I know this is a common recation to new website changes, but I don't believe this is a 'just need to get used to it' kind of matter.

I like the bar graphs, I like all the info (water/weight/calories) simply and easily displayed. 

 

 

So, I'd like to revise my previous evaluation of the new 'dashboard.' I didn't realize they had also changed the analysis section, and I DO NOT LIKE IT. Red is bad, green is good, up is over, and down is under, EXCEPT ON CC. The analysis graph should go back to the way it was. I HATE the remaining calories on the analysis graph, although I love it on the dashboard and if they could just change that part back to how it was, I'd be a lot happier.

I agree.  I am an exercise hound and I want to see all my effort in a deep calorie deficit.

Original Post by mischiefdm:

Original Post by mrssummersmith:

(My end of the day post for Calorie Camp)

Nutrition | Calories | Net Cals.    

   A-  .   .   .  1,378 .  .  . -569        ;      

--------------------------------------------- ----------------

Why Does it say -569 for Net Cals? Where is this number coming from? I've done all the math I could thing of to figure it out... I have my calorie goal set as my BMR so that my remaining calories is always my deficit.

goal cals.day 1749
remainging 703
food intake 1378
activity -332

See this Post for explanation.

Thank you. i still don't understand it though =[ why so much math? this is killing me. I'm going back to the old and then that INEVITABLE changes... hopefully I will have met my goal and can be done. I guess I won't be guiding anyone to CC anymore =[ I'm getting choked up here. This has just been such a great system to work with. Screw the stupid calorie restriction bull crap. You can't control how someone decides to restrict their calories or deficits. Even when you do it the wrong way, eventually you learn how to do it healthy... but forcing some 500-1000 calorie deficit with some bull crap behind the scenes math is super frustrating for those of us who have worked so hard to understand how to eat right and calculate our calories.

Sorry for the rant, but this has been such a frustrating week since the change. No real answers. a ton of frustrating math and constantly trying this and that.

the bottom line is you don't want us to be able to choose a deficit outside of healthy guidelines so instead of letting us have control of our own numbers it seems you've hidden them from us. I don't need your system to do math for myself and log my own calories.

No, not liking it. Sorry. I would rather see how much I have eaten and decide myself for the day, based on my activity, what kind of deficit I want. Some days I want a 500 calorie deficit and some days I don't. I'd rather figure it out myself.

I have no clue what the analysis bar is saying now. Please bring back the old one. It worked,  it gave me useful information. I am not opposed to change, but I am opposed to fixing what isn't broken. You're only making my blood pressure go up.....lol

Oh, one thing I would suggest- get rid of the potassium in the analysis section. It isn't accurate....at least I don't think it is. It gives me a huge potassium deficit every day, but potassium isn't listed in the nutrition section of the foods I log.....so how can it be tabulated?

My thoughts EXACTLY!

Thank you for this well-written reply, Coach_K, which tells precisely why I don't like the new dashboard.

I have switched back to the old dashboard and hope CC will allow it to stay that way. Thank you!

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