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The New & Improved Calorie Count Dashboard


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As you may have noticed, we revamped our dashboard to make it even easier for you to track your calorie intake and expenditure. On the new dashboard you will see ‘Food’ = calories you eat, ‘Activity’ = the calories you burn through logged exercise, and ‘Remaining ‘= how many calories you have left in your calorie budget to eat for the day. The ‘Remaining’ calorie number is based on what your target intake is set to plus any logged activity which would allow for an increase in your allotted calories. Technically, you want to aim for zero remaining calories at the end of the day to ensure you are not over or under -eating.  

Previously, we had incorporated an activity level which estimated the amount of calories you would burn every day on a baseline level. While it is accurate your body requires a certain number of calories at rest, it is a variable, often inaccurate calculation. Because we want to make things as simple and clear as possible for you, we have removed that number from our dashboard and analysis pages. However, if you were used to the old format, you can switch back by clicking the link on your dashboard.

Added: March 9, 2012 - 9:26am

As you may have noticed, we have incorporated the new design into the Old Dashboard experience. We now also offer a toggle version that allows you to see Net or Remaining calories depending on your preference/or to see both. The selection that you make there affects what your analysis graph displays for you. We've also exposed the water logger and added a date widget. We are listening to your feedback and are doing all we can to ensure you have tools that work for you.

Edited Aug 24 2012 17:13 by Igor
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Could you add another place on the dashboard that simply shows calories burned for the day? If you add that to the new elements on the dashboard and fix the water thing and the ability to easily change days, then it would fix most of the issues.

I agree that it's a problem that we can't see calories burned. I have always found it very motivating to look at the analysis or dashboard and see how many calories I've burned. It's encouraged me to take an extra walk, eat a little less, etc to make sure I'm hitting my goal of burning 500 cal a day.

The new system is confusing for that.

I don't like that on the new dashboard, the analysis page no longer shows my defecit. This feature is very important to the way I look at my progress and hope that you will add that feature back in.

 

Why can't I see the net calories?  This is so confusing.

I really like the new 'dashboard'; however, the analysis graph is REALLY confusing in the new format.  I honestly cannot figure out how to read it...so I've switched back to the old view purely for the sake of being able to understand my analysis graph. 

Perhaps you can merge the new 'dashboard' and retain the old way in which the analysis graph appears...green for being in a deficit and for being in an overage.

Thanks!

We also cannot change the day from the dashboard anymore. Sometimes its late and I have to log food and activities the next day...

Original Post by rachel_dietitian:

Hi all,

We are grateful for your feedback and understand your concerns. I want to start by saying that this change is in NO way related to the fact that we launched our Premium Services at the same time. We would never purposely try to confuse you or 'trick' you into paying for our subscribed service.

The main reason we changed the dashboard is because we were receiving many questions about what the Activity Level meant and how it factors in. With the New Dashboard, Remaining Calories is technically just another way to look at your same deficit as before. However, not to worry, we will not take away the Old Dashboard and phrasing from you if that is how you prefer to view it. 

 

 

Their will always be people who are not computer savvy or CC savvy but want to use site and will need a good explanation on how to use a sites navigation, changing it won't solve it it will just bring up new confusion and then you will change again. (as a wiki admin/editor, you just have to explain how things work for those people using both a visual picture and explanations and step by step approach and it works out so much better than always changing up features on the site to 'easier*' use and holding their hand as if they can't do it on their own) 

You should start of by having literally a CC or Dashboard for dummies 'how to' guide that prompts new users or a '?' link where needed. A hover tool tip explaining features on the dashboard seems like an easy helpful approach to help educate new comers. (now that you have 2 versions you should have 2 guides)

The sad thing is you didn't improve a working model (by lets say adding a net cal meter), instead you changed it so much neither look like the same module (the numbers don't work out to each version of the dashboard, isn't that a bit concerning?). 

*by 'easier' sometimes means dumbed down and you 'the user' don't get as much info or understanding of what you are really trying to do (educating people is better than making things so user friendly that they don't know what they are really doing). And blinding following or using easy mode can be counterproductive. You are going to get some people trying to burn 500-1000 cals (cause they will think that number is net) in activity and eat 1200 cals, at least that is a prediction that I could see happening.

Like a lot of other people, I don't like having to go to the home page to log my water. It is more covenient to log my water when I log my food. I also do not like the new layout for the analysis page. I like being able to see my calorie count deficit at a glance and not have to switch back to my calorie camp page. That makes no sense to me whatsoever!!!

I liked seeing a deficit instead of the "net cals"  but maybe that's just how my brain works.

 

Even on the old CC, I've never liked it showing the date my goal will be reached.  I find it to be discouraging and I wish I had the option to remove that off of my dashboard. 

agree with all of the people who hate the new analysis graph, specifically showing all that info related to target calories rather than how much you burn so there is not an accurate deficit. i'm also not a fan of how it's flipped (logically makes no sense) but the target vs bmr is the deal-breaker for me.

Let me take you through an example that will prove that the new method will not lead to a different weight loss rate than the old method - assuming your calorie target is set correctly.

Sample user: You ate 1800 calories, your daily burn rate (ie: activity level = sedentary, gender = male, weight = 180lbs, height = 6'0") is 2000 calories, and you also logged an additional 300 calories for your early morning run. Your calorie target is set to 1500 calories.

Old system: (2000+300) - 1800 = 500 net calories.
New system: (1800-300) - 1500 = 0 remaining calories.

So is 500 net calories equal to 0 remaining calories? It is. The way we calculated your calorie target when you first set up your account is by assuming that you want to lose one pound per week. This would require you to burn 3500 calories per week, which is the equivalent of a 500 net calories daily deficit.

There are many other issues that have been brought up and I will address them all, but we have to start somewhere so let's first focus on the dashboard page. Once we (hopefully) agree that the new dashboard page will be guiding you to lose weight at the same rate as the old page, we can then move on to the next issue (ie: the analysis page). So please, let's just focus on the numbers above for now - thanks!

I like the change! It's a quick snapshot of the day; Your total calories for the day should be after exercise, you want zero if you are maintaining your weight, if you are losing weight you want to have calories remaining. The only thing is I do wish the water log was with the food log. Laughing

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I guess I'm surprised at how 'angry' people seem to be, the fine line between constructive criticism and hostility is fainter than I thought!  I would suggest we all remember the following:

1 - this is free (beggers... choosers... you know the rest)

2 - studies show that 98% people report not liking the status quo and yet 98% report not liking change; the moral = change is hard

3 - give it time, CC will hear the concerns and will tweak it as the feedback comes in

4 - breath

 

Original Post by Igor:

Let me take you through an example that will prove that the new method will not lead to a different weight loss rate than the old method - assuming your calorie target is set correctly.

Sample user: You ate 1800 calories, your daily burn rate (ie: activity level = sedentary, gender = male, weight = 180lbs, height = 6'0") is 2000 calories, and you also logged an additional 300 calories for your early morning run. Your calorie target is set to 1500 calories.

Old system: (2000+300) - 1800 = 500 net calories.
New system: (1800-300) - 1500 = 0 remaining calories.

So is 500 net calories equal to 0 remaining calories? It is. The way we calculated your calorie target when you first set up your account is by assuming that you want to lose one pound per week. This would require you to burn 3500 calories per week, which is the equivalent of a 500 net calories daily deficit.

There are many other issues that have been brought up and I will address them all, but we have to start somewhere so let's first focus on the dashboard page. Once we (hopefully) agree that the new dashboard page will be guiding you to lose weight at the same rate as the old page, we can then move on to the next issue (ie: the analysis page). So please, let's just focus on the numbers above for now - thanks!

I'd like to add - if you are aiming for a different daily deficit, you can change your Target Calories in Account Settings. If you'd like to use the New Dashboard with a target calorie goal that is reflective of the deficit you want, but are unsure what that number would be, feel free to PM me!

I prefer to see my net calories over "how many i have left estimate". I also think that if it's going to be like that it needs to not include activity, just because those numbers are a much bigger estimate than what they probably actually are, compared to the food where it's much closer to accurate.

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As long as I can keep the old format (which I switched back to), I'm happy. That's much easier to track deficit/surplus (which does factor in activity) versus the new format which I can't even figure out.

Take away the old format and I go back to using a spreadsheet. Much easier.

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I prefer the old dashboard because of the activity log. I really don't care that it is not as accurate as it should be because it is a guide. I know that if I am below the activity log with my food log I will probably not gain weight. The whole food log is a estimate at best so please leave the activity log. I have tracked daily Activity Log - Food Log on a spreadsheet and it matches up pretty accurately to my actual weight loss on a weekly basis, it is within a few pounds.

Also be aware that when using the old dashboard I can no longer go back and see what my activity log was say a week ago, the only thing that shows up is today's activity log and food log, I hope this is just a glitch. If you insist on keeping the new dashboard please allow one of the options the ability to see the activity log.

On another note, is it possible to opt out of having to share your results by default? I don't like always having to tell the site not to share every time I mark my day as complete.

thank you for your time.

greatpf

I like the new dashboard, but I still dont understand why the calories I burn from working out aren't being subtracted from what I ate. Or added to how many calories I have left

Hello, I do not like the new dashboard AT ALL.Yell I was soooo glad to see that I could pick to go back to the old dashboard. I hope you dont make the new one the only option. 

Please do not change the dashboard. The new one is confusing and unclear!! I like it the way it was. I dont understand it!

-HJ

I have the same question as most people, what the hell? I can't understand my analysis graphs at all now, they are all red bars and I can't tell if I've met my goal of consuming fewer calories than I expend, which for me, and I imagine a large proportion of people on here, is the whole point we are logging our food and activities anyway! If we just wanted to maintain our weight we wouldn't bother! 

So difficult to use.  Seemingly inaccurate calorie deficit, or just impossible to figure out.  Water log was hard to find and is just easier to use when directly visible on front page.  I love this site and have used it for nearly a year.  This is making it so irritating that I'm thinking of making a change to one of the many other sites with iPhone apps.

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