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whats the best workout to lose belly fat tone up, but not get big abs..??


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please suggest! :) thanks!

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It is pretty much impossible to get big abs.

 

Unfortunately we can't target where we want to lose the weight.  Also, it's really difficult to get big abs.

Your best bet is to do a combo of cardio and weight training.

Actually, you're best bet is to do something active that you love like a sport, dancing, hiking, whatever.  That way you will want to do it versus it becoming a chore.

I don't understand. I simply stated a fact, and I did it to try to help you. How is that rude?

 

I'm sure your question, and many others, have been answered in the numerous threads you've started, OP.

(That's a little rude :)

In solid555's defense I read you question and his answer more than once and do not think it was rude of him to tell you that it's impossible to big big abs. And thought if it was my question I would not have taking it wrong. I would think cool I won't get big abs from doing exercises.

If you go to the exercise tab it has exercises listed for specific areas, you can not spot reduce, but I tend to work on my bad areas more then other parts of my body and if has helped me.

I'm not trying to be rude here either.

 

Original Post by solid555:

It is pretty much impossible to get big abs.

 

^^^^NOT RUDE^^^^^ 

Stating a truth is not rude - if its something you don't want to hear well then I guess you would think it rude.

 

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Amy, people are not trying to be rude to you, but you do ask a lot of similar questions. Just to make it clear, it is very difficult for women to get big muscles unless they are specifically training for that purpose, which I assure you is much different from your workouts.

It is also very difficult to build muscle while you are losing fat and eating at a deficit.

I have yet to meet a female that is any different from the above without steroid use.

Please don't mix up building muscle with building strength, which is something I would encourage you to aim for, by lifting heavier and heavier objects/weights by doing movements like lunges, shoulder press, squats, pushups and planks.

The whole secret to weight loss is eating less and moving more. Though I personally find that the healthier you eat, the better results you will have with strength training. It is pretty hard to out train a bad diet.

I am sure that you did not gain the weight overnight and likewise you will not lose the weight overnight. It takes time and persistence.

im sorry, i was being rude. i honestly took it the wrong way! :) please forgive me.

What about those athletic women who get those "barrel roll" stomaches? They have ripped abs, but no defined waist in proportion to their hips... Is that just how these women are built by nature (no hips or waist)? I have a feeling that's the look the OP wants to avoid. It's not "big abs" so much as a masculine looking stomach that does not have a curved waist. I realize those abs are no accident, but there's still the question of not wanting to build muscle that thickens the waist....

Original Post by orangeapples:

What about those athletic women who get those "barrel roll" stomaches? They have ripped abs, but no defined waist in proportion to their hips... Is that just how these women are built by nature (no hips or waist)? I have a feeling that's the look the OP wants to avoid. It's not "big abs" so much as a masculine looking stomach that does not have a curved waist. I realize those abs are no accident, but there's still the question of not wanting to build muscle that thickens the waist....

I believe that's pretty much a result of your actual physical structure and/or your body fat percentage.  If someone has a very low body fat percentage and is built with a rib cage and pelvis that are close together, then they wouldn't really have the fat around that before gave a relative width, narrowing, and width again to their torso. 


Also, it takes a lot to build that much muscle.  Especially in the abdominal region.  And if I'm not mistaken, the type of exercises that would result in larger abdominal muscles are exactly the ones endorsed in a "flatter stomach now!" program.  My logic might be flawed, but I would assume that the more and more selectively you're working a muscle set, the more likely it is to develop.  Therefore, a full-body program that is balanced, likely in combination with a cardiovascular exercise routine (as recommended) would be the most effective at providing balanced results. 

Original Post by orangeapples:

What about those athletic women who get those "barrel roll" stomaches? They have ripped abs, but no defined waist in proportion to their hips...

Can you link to a picture? I'm not sure who those women are, so I'm having trouble picturing what you are talking about.

Original Post by orangeapples:

What about those athletic women who get those "barrel roll" stomaches? They have ripped abs, but no defined waist in proportion to their hips... Is that just how these women are built by nature (no hips or waist)? I have a feeling that's the look the OP wants to avoid. It's not "big abs" so much as a masculine looking stomach that does not have a curved waist. I realize those abs are no accident, but there's still the question of not wanting to build muscle that thickens the waist....

Yeah, post a picture because I don't understand this either. Anyway, I assume you just mean women with visible abs. And what that takes is extremely low body fat. Like you said, that doesn't happen by accident. No female is going to have well developed muscles and simultaneously have 10% body fat without working very hard, and knowing exactly what she is doing.

 

Original Post by orangeapples:

What about those athletic women who get those "barrel roll" stomaches? They have ripped abs, but no defined waist in proportion to their hips... Is that just how these women are built by nature (no hips or waist)? I have a feeling that's the look the OP wants to avoid. It's not "big abs" so much as a masculine looking stomach that does not have a curved waist. I realize those abs are no accident, but there's still the question of not wanting to build muscle that thickens the waist....

The only examples I could find of what I think she was talking about were female bodybuilders... which should say something in how attainable it is for the Average Jane.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UVQTh74Gjfg/SBEHHhS yerI/AAAAAAAAABo/VgTGflIp-NQ/s320/Ro2.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/2n17qt1.jpg

Unfortunately, we can’t target where we would like to lose the most weight; we can however control how much calories we eat and how much we burn. Everyone trying to lose weight should already know 3500 calories is equivalent to 1 pound of fat. Since the healthiest amount of weight recommended losing per week is 2 pounds, it’s safe to say 7000 calories deficiency per week is the goal. We can also say 1000 calories deficiency per day should be our goal. I recommend cutting no more than 500 calories from your diet and burning another 500 working out. By the end of the week you will be down 2 pounds and the excess fat you may have around your torso will be gone. Your abdominals will show and may look petite.

As far as which workouts. If you go to a gym, I recommend the Elliptical machine. Try to workout at about 70% to 80% Target Heart Rate. 220 - (age)= Maximum Heart Rate. Target Heart Rate is any % of the maximum. Every other day try to strength train. You don’t have to use a lot of weights.  Try to do 2 to 3 sets of  8 to 10 repetitions. A repetition is moving a muscle or group of muscles you’re trying to work out through one full motion. Ex. Bicep curl:  moving your bicep from a rest position to  an up position as far up as you can curl your bicep would be equivalent to 1 repetition. A set is a group of repetitions.  Do upper body muscle groups one day and lower body muscle groups the other day. If you don’t have a gym membership. Try jogging 2 miles 2 times daily for cardio and calisthenics for strength training. Calisthenics can be, but not limited to push ups, sit ups, squats and lunges. Good luck

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Original Post by orangeapples:

What about those athletic women who get those "barrel roll" stomaches? They have ripped abs, but no defined waist in proportion to their hips... Is that just how these women are built by nature (no hips or waist)? I have a feeling that's the look the OP wants to avoid. It's not "big abs" so much as a masculine looking stomach that does not have a curved waist. I realize those abs are no accident, but there's still the question of not wanting to build muscle that thickens the waist....

The only examples I could find of what I think she was talking about were female bodybuilders... which should say something in how attainable it is for the Average Jane.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UVQTh74Gjfg/SBEHHhS yerI/AAAAAAAAABo/VgTGflIp-NQ/s320/Ro2.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/2n17qt1.jpg

If that's what you mean, I guess then my goal would be to get as close as possible to one of those "barrell roll" stomaches, although I am not sure I ever heard them referred to with that term.  I think those would qualify as a six-pack.

Original Post by solid555:

Original Post by orangeapples:

What about those athletic women who get those "barrel roll" stomaches? They have ripped abs, but no defined waist in proportion to their hips... Is that just how these women are built by nature (no hips or waist)? I have a feeling that's the look the OP wants to avoid. It's not "big abs" so much as a masculine looking stomach that does not have a curved waist. I realize those abs are no accident, but there's still the question of not wanting to build muscle that thickens the waist....

Yeah, post a picture because I don't understand this either. Anyway, I assume you just mean women with visible abs. And what that takes is extremely low body fat. Like you said, that doesn't happen by accident. No female is going to have well developed muscles and simultaneously have 10% body fat without working very hard, and knowing exactly what she is doing.

 

I have a hard time finding photos because people tend to post ideals or extremes online, but I've seen these women IRL. These women are not necessarily body builders, but just athletic types. They are not always cut (I suppose I said I cut to emphasize these are not out of shape women), but sometimes they are. I suppose if the non-cut ones lost fat, they might get cut, but they certainly don't appear overfat. They have flat tummies, look firm, but have little waist definition in relation to the hips. Sometimes they are slim, sometimes they are medium build. It's more an issue of their body shape being masculine. Is it just their natural shape, then, no matter the amount of muscle/fat they have?

Okay, this photo is a decent example, although not exactly what I mean....She doesn't have a bad body, and she is not cut (but certainly has muscle / is athletic looking), however, she has NO waist. Her middle looks very thick to me, like a barrel: http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPjNqmW7yqXFg5hqfo6AQKK sTmJXLBcHTJzqdHMDBzAfxkHRAz

Okay...here's another one. When Britney Spears was in shape, she still had no waist:  http://www.mtvpress.com/2007/img/photos/VMA01 _BritneySnake.jpg

Yet, she appeared to curve more & have a smaller waist when younger & less athletic: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dSZQ_FbAxSA/ShyITGe Ip5I/AAAAAAAABOU/nUljAqdtHLo/s400/8_5_05Spear s.jpg

Is that just a body fat issue, or did her waist get thicker from working her muscles a lot in that area?

Original Post by rosered93:

Also, it takes a lot to build that much muscle.  Especially in the abdominal region.  And if I'm not mistaken, the type of exercises that would result in larger abdominal muscles are exactly the ones endorsed in a "flatter stomach now!" program.  My logic might be flawed, but I would assume that the more and more selectively you're working a muscle set, the more likely it is to develop.  Therefore, a full-body program that is balanced, likely in combination with a cardiovascular exercise routine (as recommended) would be the most effective at providing balanced results. 

 

Right.....I know that working the body evenly wouldn't result in that for most women who are moderate in their exercise. But hypothetically (humor me...I like to discuss theoretical possibilities), is it not possible for a woman to work her abs a lot, lose some fat via cardio/diet, but lose more fat in the hips & bust (maybe due to genetics), so that even if her waist does not get bigger, it stays the same or doesn't shrink at the same ratio, & so she looks thicker in the middle by comparison to the bust/hips? We're not talking building big muscles or being cut, but altering body shape inadvertently by gaining muscle more in one area, yet losing fat all over. Basically, if you can't spot reduce fat, but you can "spot gain muscle", then is it not POSSIBLE to stay about the same size in one area while losing inches everywhere else?

I'm not sure exactly what the answer would be to your question, orangeapples. I will say, I do think for some women it's more so a matter  of physique/body frame. And I'm not trying to argue your use of Britney Spears as an example, but I feel it's worth pointing out she was 17 when Baby One More Time came out (which is my guess as to the date of that first picture) and 20-21 when Slave 4 U came out. I mean, it's a difference of 3 years but it's also when she was growing into her adult body. And the pictures are from different angles.

From my own POV, I am a petite person, but I have a medium-sized frame. I have about an inch from the bottom of my ribcage to the top of my pelvic bone. I'm not a picture of fitness, but no matter how much or little I've weighed, I've never had a small waist in proportion to my body size. Of course, I have only relatively recently started working out, but I don't think I could ever have anything greater than a 10" discrepancy between my hips and my waist. Although, I do feel I was able to "suck in" my stomach more when I did not work out, and look like I had a tinier waist from the side. However, in terms of going about my day, I feel smaller in the waist now that it's relatively flat most of the time.

So... from that long-winded post, my guess-answer to your question is: it's more so body frame/shape than amount of muscle built up around the abs that make the women in your example photos look they way they do. It may be, that since they do not have a natural waist that's very noticeable they are more motivated to work out their core to ensure, that while it may not be relatively tiny, it's consistently flat. That's my two cents.

Original Post by orangeapples:


Is that just a body fat issue, or did her waist get thicker from working her muscles a lot in that area?

Original Post by rosered93:

Also, it takes a lot to build that much muscle.  Especially in the abdominal region.  And if I'm not mistaken, the type of exercises that would result in larger abdominal muscles are exactly the ones endorsed in a "flatter stomach now!" program.  My logic might be flawed, but I would assume that the more and more selectively you're working a muscle set, the more likely it is to develop.  Therefore, a full-body program that is balanced, likely in combination with a cardiovascular exercise routine (as recommended) would be the most effective at providing balanced results. 

 

Right.....I know that working the body evenly wouldn't result in that for most women who are moderate in their exercise. But hypothetically (humor me...I like to discuss theoretical possibilities), is it not possible for a woman to work her abs a lot, lose some fat via cardio/diet, but lose more fat in the hips & bust (maybe due to genetics), so that even if her waist does not get bigger, it stays the same or doesn't shrink at the same ratio, & so she looks thicker in the middle by comparison to the bust/hips? We're not talking building big muscles or being cut, but altering body shape inadvertently by gaining muscle more in one area, yet losing fat all over. Basically, if you can't spot reduce fat, but you can "spot gain muscle", then is it not POSSIBLE to stay about the same size in one area while losing inches everywhere else?

My guess is that it has a lot less to do with gaining ab muscles, and mostly from getting down to a body fat level that doesn't allow for hips, so the waist doesn't seem as small by comparison. I'm pretty sure one of the reasons I have a small waist is because of how it compares to my hips.

Also, the two pics of Britney - obviously her body has changed from teenage to 20-something. But also, one is her posed (and likely photoshopped), the other is a still from a live event. So not sucking in and turning just so might mean that she doesn't look as slender.

Yeah, those pictures have nothing to do with muscle. They have to do with age, lighting, posture, and genetics. My guess is that the most important factor in hip to waist ratio is your body fat followed by your genetics. Like I said at the beginning of the thread, it is difficult to put a bunch of muscle on your waist. And for most people it will be negligible compared to your body fat.

You can spot gain muscle, but for the most part this is a bad idea. For a female who can't put on that much muscle, you'd have to have pretty low body fat for it to be noticeable. Figure competitors and body builders do this, but they are at extremely low levels of body fat when they compete.

 

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