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Dairy Industry's Anti-Soy LIES, DEBUNKED.


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http://www.asktheholisticdoctor.com/soy-is-it -healthy/soy.shtml

 

http://www.asktheholisticdoctor.com/soy-is-it -healthy/Soy-The-World-s-Most-Dangerous-Food. shtml

 

Summary: The Weston Price Foundation is the nation's leading crusader against soy, the soybean, soy milk, soy protein, soy products or anything soy in general. The studies they quote to support their position against the soybean and soy products are flawed and misleading. Soy, soy milk, soy protein and isoflavones are healthy for you and it is the vested interest of corporations and certain farmers that lead this assault against soy, the soybean, soy milk, soy protein and other soy products.



Since I tend to be a little opinionated about health issues…and I love science based factual discussion about health…I ran into a comment from columnist Jim Rutz of World Net Daily that I couldn’t pass up. Among other outrageous claims about soy being unhealthy for you, he contended that because there is so much estrogen in soy, it was turning men gay.

I fired off this response, but what it generated was more interesting:


Mr. Rutz,

Where do I begin? I know I’m a little late to the party, but I ran into your soy comments as I was researching another anti-soy position in UTNE magazine. Let me make 2 quick comments as I have little time at the moment.

1) There is not one molecule of estrogen in any soy product. Not one! Isoflavones are not estrogens. The ability of the soybean has long been recognized as an “adaptogen”, meaning it will improve estrogen levels in women who need it and block estrogen use in women with high levels.
2) Weston Price is a marketing arm of the American Dairy Association. Though their claims of not accepting funds from the ADA are accurate, they are funded almost in whole by individual dairy farmer donations. They rose after the popularity of soy milk as an alternative to milk. Always follow the money trail.

 

There's plenty of more info here. Please let it be known that I am NOT anti-dairy. I love my yogurt and 1% milk and even a bit of cheese. But I love my tofu, too, and don't like to see a perfectly marvelous and healthful food source dragged through the mud. Please read up and decide for yourself.

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In the end, there are pluses and minuses with both dairy and soy.  Soy may have some negative effects with large amounts of consumption, and dairy is one of the most allergenic foods, with inflammatory effects, but both can be a healthful addition to a balanced diet.  It's too bad that the Dairy industry thinks it has to slime soy with exaggerations and distortions, rather than just promoting the benefits of dairy products.  It's also too bad that the US soy industry has been so heavy-handed in the development and implementation of its GM products....
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I appreciate your science orientation, but I must disagree with some of your conclusions.  Truth be told "science" can be made to say whatever we want it to say.  But the proof for me is in personal experience.  I am a woman who suffers from a hormone imbalance caused by too much estrogen and not enough progesterone.  The less soy I eat (and that includes foods made with soy oil) the more likely I am to maintain a healthy cycle.  When I let my guard down and let more soy creep into my diet - and believe me, it creeps, as it is in almost EVERYTHING now - I will experience more and more problems with my cycle, depending on how long I allow myself to continue.  So, should I listen to somebody's "science," or what my own body is telling me?

Truth be told, we ALL need to use our own brains, pay attention to the way our bodies react to things and draw our OWN conclusions. 

I think that is what he is defending joji, the fact that we should all make our own decisions.  Just because you (or anyone else) has a bad reaction to soy, doesn't make soy evil.   Just like people who are allergic to shellfish ... or penicillin.  Bad for them, but doesn't affect me at all.

I agree, it is sad that in marketing it isn't enough to build your own product UP, the tactic is to tear DOWN all competition.

Thanks for the links udokier!!  I also maintain that if you're going to make a decision about anything in life, it needs to be an informed decision.

Original Post by joji732:

I appreciate your science orientation, but I must disagree with some of your conclusions. Truth be told "science" can be made to say whatever we want it to say. But the proof for me is in personal experience. I am a woman who suffers from a hormone imbalance caused by too much estrogen and not enough progesterone. The less soy I eat (and that includes foods made with soy oil) the more likely I am to maintain a healthy cycle. When I let my guard down and let more soy creep into my diet - and believe me, it creeps, as it is in almost EVERYTHING now - I will experience more and more problems with my cycle, depending on how long I allow myself to continue. So, should I listen to somebody's "science," or what my own body is telling me?

Truth be told, we ALL need to use our own brains, pay attention to the way our bodies react to things and draw our OWN conclusions.

By all means, if soy doesn't agree with you, avoid it - just as the people who have problems with dairy should avoid that. This is just in response to a very biased slam against soy. I don't have a favorite horse in this race. I like em both! Smile

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I think soy is one of those things that's ok as long as you don't overdo it. Personally, I wouldn't eat soy more than a few times a week.
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yay! thank you!  that discussion is making me crazy
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My concern with the post - and why I posted my counterclaim - is that people reading your quote "The ability of the soybean has long been recognized as an “adaptogen”, meaning it will improve estrogen levels in women who need it and block estrogen use in women with high levels." might not connect the dots and figure out that too much soy CAN and DOES cause hormone problems for some women.  They may never find out that they do have a problem with soy because, according to your quote, that's not possible.  

Original Post by joji732:

My concern with the post - and why I posted my counterclaim - is that people reading your quote "The ability of the soybean has long been recognized as an “adaptogen”, meaning it will improve estrogen levels in women who need it and block estrogen use in women with high levels." might not connect the dots and figure out that too much soy CAN and DOES cause hormone problems for some women. They may never find out that they do have a problem with soy because, according to your quote, that's not possible.

Please feel free to add any additional info on the additional health risks and who might be susceptible. The other thread on this subject was a totally biased, one-sided and unfair attack that characterized soy as some 'frankenfood' that is going to grow breasts on all the men and shut down all the women's thyroids. There are far too many people who have been living on soy-heavy diets in Asia for centuries for that to be true. The pros and cons of soy have to be weighed against the individual's body and health conditions. For every person whose hormones gets out of whack from soy, there is one who gets hives or gas from dairy.  And for ever person who gets a bad reaction to these two foods, there are a hundred or a thousand that have no adverse effects from either one. It seems absurd to me that the ENORMOUS dairy industry is so threatened by the small but growing market segment of soy that it has to put out distorted and exaggerated health scares about soy. The implication of the article is that soy is a serious risk to anyone who eats it, but that is clearly not the case. There is hardly a food in the world that somebody isn't sensitive to...

Those of us with thyroid problems are warned to avoid soy.  AND...it CAUSES thyroid problems.   167 links about soy's problems are here:

http://thyroid.about.com/sitesearch.htm?terms =soy&SUName=thyroid&TopNode=3902& type=1 ;

Original Post by cbxjane:
AND...it CAUSES thyroid problems.

 In some susceptible people.  To my knowledge, thyroid disorders are no more widespread in Japan than they are in the US, and a whole plethora of diseases and premature death caused by overweight high cholesterol, etc. are much more widespread in the US.  The benefits of replacing the meat in some meals with a soy product  seem to outweigh the risks, which are very low for most people.

Personally, I would not raise a baby on soy formula, and I would not make it a staple in every meal, but I wouldn't hesitate to eat tofu or edamame when I feel like it.  Susceptible people should avoid soy, but there is zero evidence of any deleterious effects on the vast majority of people eating soy in normal amounts. 

 

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/05/ 040507083422.htm

"Isoflavone-containing products consumed in the U.S. may have lost many of the biologically active components in soy, and these partially purified isoflavone-containing products may not have the same health benefits as whole soy foods," 

http://holisticfoodgroup.com/esta/wfvi.php

 Its important to note that being concerned only of the health risks of soy are not the only dilemmas with this product.  Genetically modified soy grown by Monsanto  is in the foodchain in your milk via the cows that are fed the modified soy.  The soy that is grown is responsible for the destruction of rainforests and for the deaths and illness of children throughout Latin America.  

 Soy most definitely does interupt hormones and has been proven to do so in many studies.  It is dangerous for those with cancer to consume soy and people with thyroid problems.  Soy can disrupt your cycle.  I am by no means a dairy supporter (quite the contrary).  Things are not black and white on this issue.  If you want an alternative to dairy milk and soy, there are plenty of other milks out there (rice milk, almond milk, oat milk) that have none of these risks.  Dairy milk isn't even soy free (as I mentioned before).  Unless you're consuming organic whole processed soy, you're putting your body in danger.  Most of the soy in the U.S. comes from large corporate interests who want you to believe that its good for you.  You should be weary of any claim that says anything is ALL good or ALL bad.  

 Generally when people say "frankenfood" its referring to G.M. foods so in the case of soy, that may be true since a vast majority of the soy produced (look at Argentina) is Genetically Modified.  Genetically Modified foods take unhealthy to a whole new level.  Anyone remember Starlink corn?  

 http://www.holisticmed.com/ge/toxicity.html

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/soy.html

http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=24977&n bsp;

 

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