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Skim Milk vs. Soy Milk


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Can someone please tell me what the best choice is?  Some people tell me that I should switch to soy milk while others say to stay with skim milk if I enjoy it... Help!  Are there really more benefits to drinking soy milk?

 

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I drink goats milk, wouldn't ever consider anything made from soy, but that just me.

I think it depends on the soy milk cause the nutrient facts can vary greatly. So check your labels for protein/calcium/vitamin d. Also some I think can tolerate stomach wise one better then the other. I never had goats milk.

The only benefit that soy milk has over skim is that it's vegan-friendly.  So, if you're vegan (or if you have other issues with the dairy industry) then soy milk is a better choice.  Otherwise, go with whichever you prefer.  My bank account prefers skim milk.  :)

Cow's milk is the perfect food for baby cows. It doesn't do human bodies any good at all. Whether whole, 2%, or skim, dairy consumption has been linked to a myriad of human health conditions including heart disease, obesity, diabetes, osteoporosis, and breast, prostate, and colon cancer. It's not just the saturated fat in milk that's harmful, but the excessive protein, lactose, and growth hormones (naturally occurring, and added) that cause so many health problems. Soy is a fine alternative, (if you like the taste and don't have any soy allergies or sensitivity), but there are also rice, almond, oat, hemp and coconut milk beverages available. I'm partial to So Delicious coconut milk beverages, because they are not only very tasty, but are high in medium-chain fatty acids, which are good for your heart and overall health. And don't let the fat content scare you. The fat from coconut oil is also reported to assist in weight loss.

I am vote soy milk or almond milk.   For a number of personal reasons, mostly taste, thought I used to love skim milk the alternative choices always seem more........Not quite sure the word I am going for.  But better then skim.

I've never tried coconut milk. 

Original Post by vegiegail:

Cow's milk is the perfect food for baby cows. It doesn't do human bodies any good at all.

Alan Aragon, continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association, disagrees strongly:

"I love it when I hear folks say that human adults weren’t meant to consume milk, much less the milk derived from a different animal species. Are you kidding me? So who gets to decide which parts of the cow we should consume? Let me get this straight--we can eat the cow’s muscles, but not the milk that laid the foundation for the growth of those same muscles? Huh? The logic is just too rock-solid for me. Folks who carry the torch against milk consumption typically will have some degree of allergy or digestive intolerance to it, and they take the liberty to project their personal problems onto the world around them. Many of these same “health-minded” people consume whey protein by the tubload --and this is not only a milk product, but an engineered refined milk product to boot. I suggest you raise a salute to cow’s teats the next time you flex your muscles, and let the rest of us enjoy our milk in peace."

Original Post by vegiegail:


hether whole, 2%, or skim, dairy consumption has been linked to a myriad of human health conditions including heart disease, obesity, diabetes, osteoporosis, and breast, prostate, and colon cancer.

Source?

Original Post by vegiegail:

It's not just the saturated fat in milk that's harmful, but the excessive protein, lactose, and growth hormones (naturally occurring, and added) that cause so many health problems.

There is no credible evidence that saturated fat causes any sort of negative health consequences.  Protein has, again without any sort of evidence, been blamed for kidney problems but I've never heard anyone remotely credible blame it for any of the health problems you list.

Original Post by vegiegail:

Soy is a fine alternative, (if you like the taste and don't have any soy allergies or sensitivity)

 Soy has also been linked to serveral types of cancer, as well as cognitive degeneration (source)

all things in moderation...

that said, Soy milk and soy products have a positive impact on raising HDL, the good cholesterol, where as milk products have not been shown to have an impact on cholesterol one way or the other. So, imnsho, it depends on what your goals are. They are both healthy choices, in moderation, so unless there is a medical need to impact your cholesterol, drink the one you like best and can get the cheapest. Another alternative is to swap, drinking a bottle of skim milk, then soy, then skim milk...

There are benefits to soymilk that other people have mentioned, but for me it is out weighed by the risks. I have a thyroid disease, and I definately would not drink soy milk because of reports that it is being attributed to some thyroid problems:http://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy.htm

I've also heard reports that is messes with estrogen levels, which is not good for men or for pregnant women. Like someone said, everything in moderation. :)

Original Post by vegiegail:

I'm partial to So Delicious coconut milk beverages, because they are not only very tasty, but are high in medium-chain fatty acids, which are good for your heart and overall health. And don't let the fat content scare you. The fat from coconut oil is also reported to assist in weight loss.

 Sounds good.  Is it in the refrigerated section with other milk, on the shelf with almond and rice milk, or somewhere else entirely?  I've never seen it at my store.

Original Post by floggingsully:

"I love it when I hear folks say that human adults weren’t meant to consume milk, much less the milk derived from a different animal species. Are you kidding me? So who gets to decide which parts of the cow we should consume? Let me get this straight--we can eat the cow’s muscles, but not the milk that laid the foundation for the growth of those same muscles? Huh? The logic is just too rock-solid for me.

 That's a very silly statement.  Most people who won't consume milk (vegans) don't eat cow's muscles either. 

The only other group of people I know who don't drink milk is because they are lactose intolerant, not that they "carry the torch against milk consumption" or the dairy industry.  I am sure most of them do not begrudge others drinking milk if they want to, anymore than someone with celiac disease begrudges others eating gluten.  It is just something you have to avoid for your own health reasons.

Anyway, I digress... to the OP... I eat tofu and stuff but I try not to overconsume soy since there are a lot of problems associated with it, for example the estrogen thing.  I usually use almond milk but it's really processed so I don't like to use it very much either.  I think it does taste better than soy milk, though.  In general I don't use any "milk" substitutes much at all.

Original Post by adolphs:

Original Post by floggingsully:

"I love it when I hear folks say that human adults weren’t meant to consume milk, much less the milk derived from a different animal species. Are you kidding me? So who gets to decide which parts of the cow we should consume? Let me get this straight--we can eat the cow’s muscles, but not the milk that laid the foundation for the growth of those same muscles? Huh? The logic is just too rock-solid for me.

 That's a very silly statement.  Most people who won't consume milk (vegans) don't eat cow's muscles either. 

The only other group of people I know who don't drink milk is because they are lactose intolerant, not that they "carry the torch against milk consumption" or the dairy industry.  I am sure most of them do not begrudge others drinking milk if they want to, anymore than someone with celiac disease begrudges others eating gluten.  It is just something you have to avoid for your own health reasons.

This is not a debate about vegetarian vs non vegetarian. The OP asked an opinion about soy vs skim milk. Obviously vegiegail is a vegetarian an spewed pointless and unsubstantiated diatribe to support her point of view (lifestyle) and innocently said milk is for cows........when you take out the vegie reference that was a ridiculously biased statement and not an appropriate answer in the context of the original question and deserved the answer she got imo. Smile Being lactose intolerant like you say is relevant.

Ok neanderthin... I am not sure you are arguing or agreeing with me, but anyway, I guess you didn't see my next post. "Anyway, I digress..."

Posts often leave the subject from the OP, but anyway, sorry, OP!

Stick with skim milk,  soy milk has some pretty scary side effects according to what I have heard.

Original Post by bobev:

that said, Soy milk and soy products have a positive impact on raising HDL, the good cholesterol, where as milk products have not been shown to have an impact on cholesterol one way or the other.

Saturated fat, which is found in dairy products has been continually shown to increase HDL (more than any other type of fat).

Source

Original Post by adolphs:

That's a very silly statement.  Most people who won't consume milk (vegans) don't eat cow's muscles either. 

I understand that some people don't drink milk because they're vegans or because they're lactose intolerant.  The statement I posted was not aimed at these groups it was aimed at the people who don't drink milk because cows milk is 'unnatural' for human consumption.

Original Post by floggingsully:

Original Post by bobev:

that said, Soy milk and soy products have a positive impact on raising HDL, the good cholesterol, where as milk products have not been shown to have an impact on cholesterol one way or the other.

Saturated fat, which is found in dairy products has been continually shown to increase HDL (more than any other type of fat).

Source

Plus the saturated fat found in dairy also increases the particle size of LDL. If anybody doesn't know what that means I can explain it.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/134/ 7/1729

thhq
Jul 15 2009 16:35
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All right! The baby cows are here again! Welcome back!

I'd take that skim milk, make yogurt out of it and put it on some fresh blueberries.  The lactobacilli knock down the lactose somewhat and make it taste a lot better IMHO.

Unfortunately by making it into yogurt it has become a processed food.  Though not as much of a processed food as soy milk....then again skim milk is already a processed food devoid of the animal fats that many posters in this thread seem concerned about....unfit for consumption by baby cows but perhaps still nutritious for humans, pigs and cats.

 

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