Wagon Jumpers - January 11 - 17th, 2009 (Closed, Waiting List Available)
Welcome
(We are currently transitioning to 20 members (from 30). If you are interested in being on the waiting list, knowing that it will be a longer than usual list, please read below and e-mail me.)
Welcome to the Wagon Jumpers weekly thread. We are a group of CC members who have identified that one of our main challenges with achieving our weight loss, maintenance or general health goals is consistency.
This thread is designed to encourage long term commitment to our goals by publicly declaring them and asking the other members of this thread to hold us accountable. The primary focus of wagon jumpers is not how much weight you have lost, or need to loose, but what you need to do on a daily basis to meet your long term goals.
There are two rules for Wagon Jumpers:
1. All members must post once per week between Sunday and Friday.
2. All members must check the thread for members who have not posted by Saturday (a short list is posted on Thursday) or are on the MIA list on Sunday and send them a polite and positive message to stay involved in the group and on track with their goals.
If you would like to be a member of this thread please see the guidelines below and send me a PM if you are still interested (there may be a waiting list).
Medium Size Group = Some Time Commitment
The original idea of Wagon Jumpers was to create a close community where participants could get to know each other and hopefully form virtual-life and perhaps even physical-life bonds to create a support network as they attempted long term weight loss.
We quickly discovered that this was impossible with an 'always open' group as there were too many people coming and going. For this reason the group is capped at 30 participants.
A medium sized group means that we have an active thread that produces between 40 - 60 posts per week. Members do not need to read / respond to every post every week. I do notice that those who respond regularly do tend to keep their goals top of mind, and have a better chance to achieve them. I estimate the average time spent by an active member on Wagon Jumpers to be between 1-2 hours per week.
If you are looking for an always open group on CC there are several that operate by different weight criteria, similar motivational patterns etc... There are also many small groups that cap their numbers between 4-10 people to keep the group more intimate, and easier for members to keep up with.
Interested in Joining?
General Guidelines for Joining
1. Are you a wagon jumper?
Do you know how to loose weight, you often have success but then you find yourself loosing interest in your plan, or sabotaging your plan. It's not the "how" to loose weight that is the problem, it's the "how" to stay motivated.
2. Do you have a long way to go?
This group is designed so that members can get to know each other and support each other. Ideally you are planning to be a CC member and part of this forum for at least 6 months or more to achieve your goals and hopefully stay in motivation for a further 6 months or more.
Yes. This is, a long term plan.
3. Do you have the time?
This is a medium sized group, the thread does move fairly quickly each week. If you do not have regular internet access this is likely not the group for you.
Still interested?
Send Supersized a PM. (Please do not reply on the thread)
An overview will be sent to you, you will have a chance to ask questions and an invitation will be sent to you once a spot is open.
Wagon Jumpers Participants
Week 36 Riders:
Supersized (myself)
Week 33 Riders:
Week 32 Riders - Congratulations on 8 Months!:
Week 29 Riders:
Week 27 Riders:
Week 26 Riders:
Week 25 Riders:
Week 22 Riders:
Week 21 Riders:
Week 20 Riders - Congratulations on 5 Months!:
Week 19 Riders:
Week 18 Riders:
Week 17 Riders:
Week 16 Riders - Congratulations on 4 Months!:
Week 14 Riders:
Week 12 Riders - Congratulations on 3 Months!:
Week 11 Riders:
Week 10 Riders:
Week 8 Riders - Congratulations on 2 Months!:
Week 7 Riders:
Week 6 Riders:
Week 4 Riders - Congratulations on 1 Month!:
Missing In Action:
Missing In Action - 1 Week:
Missing In Action - 2 Weeks:
Current Membership: 25
Current Waiting List: 2
Outstanding Wait List Invites: 0
12 Week CONSISTENCY GOALS
(as set w/o January 11th, 2009)
By April 4th, I will be...
Letsgetitstarted - consuming an average of 1,500 cal/day and 3 times a week for a minimum 30 minutes.
Rpete144057 - logging my food daily and exercising 5 days a week for at least 30 minutes.
Jessicaanne2001 - exercising 5 days a week for at least 30 minutes, and logging my food daily.
Supersized - logging all of my daily calories and eating in a calorie range of no more than 2,000 cal/day and no less than 1,500 cal/day (calculated by weekly averages).
Figurethefat - exercising a minimum of 1,500 minutes each month, and I will restrict using the scale to two weigh-ins per week on Monday and Friday.
Unlimitedana - eating between 1,500 - 1,600 cal/day and exercising three time a week.
Sarah1090 - logging my calories daily and eating dinner with my mom no less than 4 nights per week.
Cawilder - maintaining a 500 - 1,000 calorie deficit on a daily basis measured by my food log and, working out 5 to 6X per week combo of cardio and lifting.
Carryonandon - maintaining 300 - 500 calorie deficit daily and, exercising 3x per week.
Raven21 - drinking a minimum of 4 bottles (2L) of water daily and, exercising a minimum of 3X per week.
Nannygabber - doing the NROLFW program 3 times per week, and I will establish a 40/30/30 (Carb/Fat/Protein) macronutrient pattern on a weekly average for a minimum of 5 weeks of the next 12.
Germaica - exercising 3 times a week and logging my food for at least 4 days per week.
Pelkeyjm - logging my food daily and exercising at least 3x per week for at least 30 minutes.
The_Vitamin_Dominatrix - logging my caloric intake on calorie count at least six days every week and, exercising in the gym at least 3 days each week.
Tiegurl - eating 1,500 - 2,000 calories and exercising 5x a week.
Kyashiis - running 20 kilometers a week and making progress on the number of repetitions in my calisthenic exercises (starting at: 20 push ups, 30 sit ups, 0 chin ups, 2x 30 sec plank, 20-30 jump rope)
Lam7 - Logging all daily calories at least 6 times a week and, exercising minimum 40 minutes 3x per week.
Sjenn23231 - consuming and average of 1,500 cal/day and, doing SEAL team type workout 3 times a week.
Msmeg1984 - Following the 40-30-30 diet guidelines in NROLFW and working out 3 a week NROLFW plan.
Constanza - using the CC food log every day and, exercising an average of 4 times per week across the 12 weeks.
Defrog3 - eating with improved nutritional quality of food, specifically ensuring that I am getting enough daily protein and carbs and, walking six miles a week weather permitting.
Amber1l - working out 6 days a week for one and a half hours.
Wenchie58 - keeping my calorie intake between 1,400 - 1,500 a day and, drinking at least 2 liters of water daily.
Bigbitty - logging my calories daily and continue to drink at least 2 liters of water per day.
Previous Threads:
Wagon Jumpers - January 4 - 10th, 2009
Wagon Jumpers - December 28 - January 3rd, 2009
Wagon Jumpers - December 21 - 27th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - December 14 - 20th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - December 7 - 13th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - November 30 - December 6th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - November 23 - 29th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - November 15 - 22nd, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - November 9 - 15th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - November 2 - 8th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - October 26 - November 1st, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - October 19 - 25th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - October 12 - 18th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - October 5 - 11th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - September 28 - October 4th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers - September 21 - 27th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers September 14-20th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers September 7-13th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers August 31 - September 6th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers August 24 - 30th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers August 17 - 23rd, 2008
Wagon Jumpers August 10 - 16th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers August 2 - 9th, 2008
Wagon Jumpers July 27 - August 2nd, 2008
Wagon Jumpers July 20 - 26th, 2008
As always all members are encouraged to tag this thread so that it is easy to find.
Constanza Great I'll leave it as is then. I think the simple logging will give you the flexibility to use the log without being held to the minute details while you are getting used to it and educating yourself on calorie and nutritional content of foods. I tend to have a trigger where when I'm stressed I follow things to a T, schedule everything and if anything I under eat and over exercise. But, as soon as I'm through the stress and things slow down I fall off the wagon in a big way. We're all a bit different in how we go about it, but the feeling that we have to do everything or nothing is worth it seems to be fairly common. I find it helps me to remind myself that it's my own special way of self-sabotaging, when I think of it that way it undermines the "I may as well go crazy because I've already screwed up" rationale running in my head.
DeFrog Glad you are starting to feel better, and that baby at least seems to like good carbs.
Amber GREAT! I've got your goal up. I had this little gold star image, but CC doesn't seem to like it, so I've gone with a happy face instead.
Congratulations Amber!
Let's take a moment and congratulate Amber on being the first wagon jumper member to fully complete a 12 week consistency goal. Most of us know how challenging these goals are, many of us have come close (or closer) to reaching them. Amber is the first one to reach it.
I was going to go with gold stars, but CC didn't like it, so I've gone with happy faces. Amber is our first "happy face" member, members who complete 12 week goals to their own satisfaction will get a little happy face by their name.
I know the happy face is a 'big' motivator (kidding), more importantly hopefully once Amber moves she can give us a run down on what it took to meet her goal, how her health and fitness have improved, and how meeting one goal is motivation to meet the next. It also shows the rest of us that it can be done!
Cheers,
Sara.
Two Day Reminders
That time of week again, below is the list of members who have not yet posted on this week's thread. Please watch for these members to post today or tomorrow. If they have not posted by Saturday or are on the MIA list on Sunday please send them a polite and positive reminder to stay on track with their goals and with the group.
Congrats Amber!
Congrats Amber! I am hoping to join you in the ranks this next round... 
Sara- I am so happy you got the NROLFW book!! I am about 3/4 through Phase I of Alwyn's Plan (in the book) and I progressively feel better and better as each workout becomes slightly more challenging.
I need to make a small correction to my goals, and I need to correct myself on the math issue I was having. There's no wonder I can't do math, I don't even know the right problem to solve... LOL! In trying to calculate it myself, I found what the mistake was. I had the ratios memorized incorrectly.... yes they are 40/30/30, but I had them in the wrong order.... I had 30/30/40 with 40 being protein. Apparently there is a standardized order... Carbs/Fat/Protein, which I had right, but the numbers were all out of whack. No wonder I was having such a hard time achieving 40% Protein in my diet... LMAO!!!
So, the order of the numbers in my goal should be adjusted to reflect 40/30/30. Thanks. Which, by the way, I have managed to achieve the past two days!!
Now the solution to the problem which I was trying to solve. Here is a link for anyone interested- www.caloriesperhour.com/tutorial_ratios/php (scroll way down)- This confirms that my calculations were correct (by finding the calories per gram of each macronutrient off the food labels in my cabinets.. LOL! Fat has 9 cal/gram, Carbs have 4 cal/gram, and Protein has 4 cal/gram) - and with the 1800 calories average; I require the following:
Carbs: 180 Grams
Fats: 60 Grams
Protein: 135 Grams
This helps so much to know how many grams I need because I can actually count them, instead of guessing (by calories alone, I know for a fact it is possible to eat 1800 calories worth of JUNK, and have no protein in a day's time)!
I have also realized with regard to Schuler's theory of needing to eat more, that if you have your macronutrients balanced correctly, you will lose weight because the fat/carb % is lower than what we are accustomed to, by simple virtue of increasing the protein %. Better quality nutrition (my new mantra: Better Carbs, Less Fat, More Protein) equals making it possible to not go hungry.
Additional fact, these numbers change as I lose. Someone weighing 140 lbs needs less fuel than someone weighing 190 lbs. So as I lose weight, I will reconfigure. But the best I can assess for setting a number... is to target 10 lbs less than I am right now, and when I get there, reduce the mean by another 10 and recalculate it, and repeat as I go along. Does that make sense?
Also, I don't know if anyone else has experienced this phenomenon... I have scheduled myself to measure (by lbs, and by inches) once per month. Today was measuring day... I still weigh the same as I did last month (thank you holidays, at least I didn't gain!), and the total inches came to none lost overall, BUT the top half is smaller, but the bottom half is more than it was! IE: where my chest has decreased by 1.5 (tape under the arms), and by 1.5 (breast), my waist has increased by 2 inches, and my bicep has gone up by an entire inch. I know the arm could potentially be muscle, but an inch?? And, I am pretty sure my waist hasn't gained any muscle.... And on top of all that, I am FEELING "skinnier" (we all know that feeling right?), particularly today for some reason.... What is this all about?? LOL! Does poundage actually shift from one body part to another?!?!? I definitely must do some research!
Anyway, Happy Healthgain to All!
~Julie
Hello Fellow Jumpers!! Thanks for the nudge, time flies!
Weekly Check In
A promising week for me. Life is beginning to get back to a more normal flow and all these post transplant meds I must take are getting adjusted. I have been following a 1400 - 1500 calorie intake plan. It seemed like too much at first, but I am eating a greater variety of foods and keeping my protien intake up where it belongs. I don't have the option right now to stay away from the scales, so every little move up makes me cringe and worry about it til the numbers go back down..sigh.
12 Week Goals
1. Keeping my caloric intake between 1400 - 1500 a day.
2. Drinking at least 2 liters of water daily.
I will CONSISTENTLY log my calories, and continue to drink atleast 2 litres of water per day!
I have been doing well, I have been working out and eating within reason for the past 2 weeks straight, and I feel great!
Julie I think you mean put the 40 at the front and the 30 at the back. I hope that's what you mean as I'll try it that way.
On the size changes, I think you already know that depending on when you worked out last and what you worked (and the time before that) you may or may not have had some 'pump' in one area or the other. The fact that you are seeing differences is an indicator that you are likely doing well. A lot of what I read in the first section of NROLFW is consistent with the idea that it will take women a while to see results, especially when you are pushing yourself. Also Schuler does cover spot substitution that your body will move the weight around as it seeks equilibrium as you go through this process (again first part of the book).
I was really surprised to get into the first part of the nutrition today and see the calorie ranges he's talking about 1,200 - 1,400 pretty much a sin for him... and I should know as much but there is still so much of me that has it suck in my head to be eating that low. Of course I myself am a living case in point of slowing down my metabolism by not eating enough, I could practically pick myself as a text book case of the symptoms, and problems and of course weight patterns he was discussion.
Onwards...
Wenchie If NROLFW and Julie are right then the inreased protein once your body gets the idea that you don't want to starve it into submission should help with the weight loss in general and of course your overall health and energy levels.
BigBitty Glad you are doing so well! I get the water goal, for the logging goal can you make 'consistently' measurable. What is consistent for you? Using the food log daily, logging your calories daily, using it X times per week?
If you are struggling with the food log then you may consider giving yourself some room to work up to daily and all foods. Constanza is using an approach to get herself to simply use the food log daily and then work up from there.
Cheers,
Sara.
Original Post by supersized:
Julie I think you mean put the 40 at the front and the 30 at the back. I hope that's what you mean as I'll try it that way.
On the size changes, I think you already know that depending on when you worked out last and what you worked (and the time before that) you may or may not have had some 'pump' in one area or the other. The fact that you are seeing differences is an indicator that you are likely doing well. A lot of what I read in the first section of NROLFW is consistent with the idea that it will take women a while to see results, especially when you are pushing yourself. Also Schuler does cover spot substitution that your body will move the weight around as it seeks equilibrium as you go through this process (again first part of the book).
I was really surprised to get into the first part of the nutrition today and see the calorie ranges he's talking about 1,200 - 1,400 pretty much a sin for him... and I should know as much but there is still so much of me that has it suck in my head to be eating that low. Of course I myself am a living case in point of slowing down my metabolism by not eating enough, I could practically pick myself as a text book case of the symptoms, and problems and of course weight patterns he was discussion.
Onwards...
Wenchie If NROLFW and Julie are right then the inreased protein once your body gets the idea that you don't want to starve it into submission should help with the weight loss in general and of course your overall health and energy levels.
BigBitty Glad you are doing so well! I get the water goal, for the logging goal can you make 'consistently' measurable. What is consistent for you? Using the food log daily, logging your calories daily, using it X times per week?
If you are struggling with the food log then you may consider giving yourself some room to work up to daily and all foods. Constanza is using an approach to get herself to simply use the food log daily and then work up from there.
Cheers,
Sara.
I get it! I shall log my calories DAILY! thanks for that :)
Hey there, me again! Just dropping by to see how everyone else seems to be doing so far. CONGRATULATIONS AMBER!!!!
Goals for this week remain on track despite a terrible cold I started Tuesday morning. I am measuring and logging all food/calorie intake even if I exceed daily recommendation. Like on Tuesday, I did well until late afternoon and then man oh man, I went wild. Think TOM had some influence as well. Yesterday and today were very much controlled with no hunger pangs. Believe the extra vegetables and water drinking has certainly helped.
I also notice that I need to pay more attention to Julie's posts...in particular, I need to go back in time to figure out the acronyms. She seems very committed with her goals, it is really interesting to read.
Anyhow, guess I am just rambling, but wanted to let you all know, you are always on my mind!
Have a great remainder of the week.
Lee
Lee - You are too funny! What do you say, Sara? Let's have "Acronym Week"!!
IE: NROLFW is the short way to say New Rules of Lifting for Women. It's a newer book by Lou Schuler. Lee, are there any others I overlooked? Sorry about that! I just assume most of us in the thread know the meaning of that one... I do apologize.
Sara - 40 in front is correct. Thanks.
As far as the "pump" I think you may be right, I had a really hard workout last night. They are getting tougher... but I like em!
On the calorie ranges, I know exactly what you mean. It truly is the "media lies" thing that had me all fouled up also, and that is soooo hard to break the mentality of! I am still not there yet, having been accustomed to 1000 calorie days... but I also have to be cautious, which is why I am being so darned anal about all the nutrients etc... that I have occasionally felt that "its ok to go ahead and have a few extra bites" ...because... "I am allowed to eat more now".... well that may be true... if it's healthy food! But I am confessing publicly here, I just downed half a pint of moose tracks ice cream. WHAT is going on with me? LOL! I believe I may have subconsciously given myself a license to over do it. THIS cannot go on! Its the exact reason I merely maintained through the holidays, and will be my downfall if I do not manage to whip it.
Thing is, I wasn't even hungry. Lonely maybe... BF is still travelling through the week. I talk to him a lot, but... its not the same. And I'm not letting my dog get onto my bed any more... she smells, and makes me sneeze... so no comfort there either. However, it's fair that I have recognized this as a trigger... next time... conscious decision here, I will go for popcorn instead. Promise. And I also promise to stop making excuses to sabotage myself!! While I love the gym, why waste all that great effort?!? (self talking helps me... lol!) ... and they say "you're crazy if you talk to yourself", but if you admit your crazy, then you're really not. I've heard that said before, too... LMAO! So I guess I must be crazy... NOT! Hehehe..............
Nite all, sleep tight.
~Julie
CONGRATULATIONS AMBER!!!
Thanks Julie...I had read it in previous threads, but could not remember. Now though, I will have to go and get that book!!!
Nighty night!!!!
Congrats Amber
BigBitty Thanks, will post shortly.
Lee-Anne Good on keeping up with your goals even with your cold. One thing you might consider is giving the exercise a break until the cold is only the sniffles and then making up for missed days in future weeks. Often colds can be broken by one or two straight days in bed. One thing that changed for me being a contractor as opposed to an employee is that I started taking those days. The loss in productivity that I had when I'd drag a cold our for days rather than just spend the one day getting better was too much.
Julie I'm sure I will struggle with that a lot. It's those little indulgences for me that end up in massive calorie overages. Although it's becoming increasingly obvious that I'm really going to have to re-think calorie ranges and what is appropriate for my body.
Question for anyone who knows!
When I logged my breakfast:
Fri, Jan 16 2009
Quiche A 162 145
Protein Shake (Powder) D- 44 182
Cream Of Wheat, Quick, Dry B 33 119
Milk, Lowfat, Fluid, 1% Milkfat - With Added Vitamin A A- 244 103
and then hit the Analysis tab:
Fat - 24.9% (15 grams)
Protein - 24.8% (34 grams)
Carbohydrates - 34.9% (48 grams)
Alcohol - 0.0%
Other - 15.4%
What in the world could the "other" be? and 15%!?!?! I know the quiche is my own recipe, without crust, so its carbless... but do you think its because it isn't in the database? OR am I consuming some unknown substance? LOL!
'Lil help??
Thanks in advance
~Julie
I think that gets into minerals, sodium, potassium etc...
Thanks so much guys......I need help I am having a nervous break down about this move......I was crying sitting on the floor of my living room not knowing how I am going to pack this entire place by myself....lol....we are so Lucky I did not have a bottle of Tequila in the apartment....
I forget which move it was, I know it wasn't my first move out to college, but I think the first time I moved out of my own apartment, I completely broke down. I had managed to get the packing done (umm, sometimes the tequila... and if not tequila... beer helps... if just to keep you plugging along) and then I looked around and saw my whole life in boxes, I just couldn't deal.
Suddenly it hit just how fragile human life was, and that it that it could all seemingly be packed up in a series of non-descript boxes seemed wrong, unfair, trivial...
And then the moving trucks came and I just had to get on with it. Moving is traumatic in the most surprising ways, at the most inconvenient times. The only way I've found to deal is to avoid looking at the big picture while you are doing it, just grab the box and keep at it, you'll get there. One box at a time.
OK, so something that I have to share.
I have had the hardest time going back to the trails and park my car. I keep running out like 5 minutes and then I get so anxious that I run back. It's ridiculous!
Yesterday I parked my car in a parking lot near the trails. There were two suspicous looking guys hanging about. I figured they were bad... I slowly got ready hoping that they would leave. Well, they didn't so I doubled back to spy on them from another part of the parking lot.
Don't it beat all - THEY CASED ALL THE CARS. I got their license number. I have a cargo cover on my SUV now so they could not see anything.
I still feel so violated. I feel so angry that these guys feel it OK to steal from people. I feel even more angry that they have taken away the one thing that allows me to handle my stress to a manageable level. Being in the forest and running there is where I love to be for an hour per day. It grounds me and now it is poisoned.
Just had to share..
