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If you go to a bar to hang out & drink 5 or 6 nights a week


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does this mean you're an alcoholic?

And do you think that 6 drinks in 4 hours is an outrageous amount of alcohol to drink?

What do you think is a sane amount?

What do you think is an outrageous amount?

(Please do not confess to any underage drinking in this thread.  If you did it, whatever, you don't have to tell people what grade you were in when you were drinking - just leave the timetable out of it.)

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I don't think that hanging out in a bar every night is necessarily indicative of alcoholism.  Bar friendships constitute some people's social life.

I think a drink and a half per hour for four hours is a relatively normal rate of consumption (read:  sane).  But I couldn't do it every night.

I think four drinks an hour for four hours is not normal (read:  outrageous).  But I have done that on occasion.

 

Does this mean you're an alcoholic?

No... I think you have to be dependent on alcohol to be considered an alcoholic?

And do you think that 6 drinks in 4 hours is an outrageous amount of alcohol to drink?

For me it would be. It wouldn't be for my husband. It really depends on the person.

What do you think is a sane amount?

Whatever qualifies for the individual person as slightly tipsy.

What do you think is an outrageous amount?

Whatever equals falling on your ass where the f*** did this tattoo come from drunk.

 

Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

does this mean you're an alcoholic? I dunno, IMO, it depends on if it negatively affects your life in any way. Its more acceptable in college, but not much in the working world I suppose. Do you miss work? Call in sick a lot? Blow off your obligations? Get outrageously wasted all of those nights? Spend your grocery money/rent money/bill money on the bars or booze? Then yeah, you're probably an alcoholic at that point. Theoretically you could go to a bar/drink 5-6 nights a week and keep your drinking to a minimum, like say, 1 glass of wine, or nurse a bottle all night, etc etc.

And do you think that 6 drinks in 4 hours is an outrageous amount of alcohol to drink? 6 drinks in 4 hours..hmm..that's 1.5 drinks, so that's not so bad. I can easily nurse 1.5 drinks in an hour over the course of a night and not get completely obliterated ( drunk, yeah, but I'll still be conscious and social), and I consider myself a lightweight.

What do you think is a sane amount? Whatever gets you tipsy, not black out, throw up, obscenely drunk. I suppose that depends on tolerance levels, body weight, gender, age, etc. So for me, 26 year old female, 5'3" 120lbs, I know I need 2 shots and a strongly mixed drink to get me into the feel good zone, more (like another shot/bottle of beer/mixed drink) I get drunk, even more than that I get the spins/vomit/pass out level.

What do you think is an outrageous amount? See above. It's hard to pin down an amount because of the varying personal tolerance levels and such. However chugging a bottle of jack in 1 sitting, or consuming 8+ shots in 2 hours is definitely outrageous and pretty stupid.

(Please do not confess to any underage drinking in this thread.  If you did it, whatever, you don't have to tell people what grade you were in when you were drinking - just leave the timetable out of it.)



Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

does this mean you're an alcoholic?

not necessarily, but it suggests alcohol abuse.

And do you think that 6 drinks in 4 hours is an outrageous amount of alcohol to drink?

it's a lot, but if it were a rare occurrence i wouldn't go straight to "outrageous."

What do you think is a sane amount?

i guess it depends somewhat on context, but 1 drink every 1-2 hours of an evening is civilized.

What do you think is an outrageous amount?

hard to say where the outrageous-threshold lies. maybe it's less about the amount and more  about the behaviour that accompanies it?



That's a good question. I think there are many forms of alcoholism and it really just depends on the person.

I think if you were to send me to the bar and buy me 6 drinks in 4 hours I could handle it well and it wouldn't be excessive but do the same with my friend and you've got a different story.

Same with the amount of times/week you go to the bar. If I go to the bar multiple times a week to have a couple of drinks and catch a game it's no big deal because for the most part I have no other obligations and if something comes up I could pass on the bar and be fine. But if I have kids that aren't cared for properly or kids that don't see their mom because she can't pull herself away from the bar I'd say there was a problem.

If I go out during the week I may only have 1-2 drinks. Just kind of depends on the place, who I'm with, how busy it is, how safe I feel, etc. 

Now a year ago, this wouldn't have been the case for me. I had a huge problem with binge drinking, which turned into a problem with drinking all the time. I was drunk everyday from when I got off work to whenever I passed out. I think getting blitzed more than twice a week is too much (for me). Now I only drink on weekends (a Saturday or Friday night girls night once or twice a month) and that's enough for me.

Being a drinker, I wouldn't consider that  an outrageous amount of consumption; however, the frequency is a bit worrisome.

The question is why do you spend so much time at the bar?

Do you have other people in your life? Friends, family, team mates, or members of a church or social organization?

If all your "friends" are at the bar, then there is an answer.

As an experiment, stay on diet soda one night (this is a healthy eating site afterall Wink), and see how much fun the bar is. Claim you have a stomach bug or something.

If you enjoy yourself as much, and your friends enjoy your company as much, then maybe just switch to shandies (beer and lemon soda). If you don't then consider joining a volunteer group or some other place to fill the empty hours.

Cheers.

I actually don't go to bars 5 or 6 nights a week.

I probably have about 3 or 4 alcoholic drinks per year.

I have a freezer full of vodka and rum right now that's been in there for months because I buy the stuff, thinking oooo I'm gonna try this drink recipe and then almost never drink it.

I posed the questions above because someone asked ME those questions and I wasn't sure because I'm not much of a drinker and I'm not sure what's usual.

But I like the answers you guys gave.

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Going to a bar and hanging out 5 or 6 nights a week sounds like either you have a very slow social life or you you work in a bar.  What does this person do the other nights of the week?

6 drinks in 4 hours depends on the drink...long islands would not be a good thing, 6 glasses of wine could be okay.  It really depends on the person and their tolerance.  For me, generally one drink or two is fine, but occasionally a whole bottle of wine can be consumed in one night - aka 4 generous glasses.  It also depends on what you're doing, drinking to get drunk or chatting and eating.

A sane amount is ~1-2 drinks per hour...if you're driving than preferably no drinks or at a maximum half a drink per hour and no drinks plus food in the last hour+.

An outrageous amount...well your bar bill will tell the story there.  What you can't afford is outrageous.  What impacts your life in other ways is outrageous.

Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

does this mean you're an alcoholic?  Not necessarily.  But what else would one be doing at a bar that often if not drinking?

And do you think that 6 drinks in 4 hours is an outrageous amount of alcohol to drink?  No, not really.  That probably should seem outrageous to me...but when I drink, I drink way more than that.  Go big or go home.

What do you think is a sane amount?  I have no idea.  That really would depend on the person, like the others said.  I haven't found mine yet.

What do you think is an outrageous amount?  Still, depends on the person.

(Please do not confess to any underage drinking in this thread.  If you did it, whatever, you don't have to tell people what grade you were in when you were drinking - just leave the timetable out of it.)

 

 

um...higher tolerance should not be taken to mean that more alcohol is less of a problem.

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Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

I actually don't go to bars 5 or 6 nights a week.

I probably have about 3 or 4 alcoholic drinks per year.

I have a freezer full of vodka and rum right now that's been in there for months because I buy the stuff, thinking oooo I'm gonna try this drink recipe and then almost never drink it.

I posed the questions above because someone asked ME those questions and I wasn't sure because I'm not much of a drinker and I'm not sure what's usual.

But I like the answers you guys gave.

 I rarely drink so I can't answer your questions but I am wondering why you put your alcohol in the freezer? We leave ours in the fridge- does being in the freezer do something? :)

luvs2eat - Cold liquor usually goes down smoother.  And most cocktails are supposed to be cold - especially those fruity vodka ones.

Back to the topic, I drink about 5-6 nights a week.  Usually alone at home.  But 1-2 nights a week at a bar with friends.  I don't think I'm an alcoholic.  But 9/10 times, an alcoholic won't admit to being an alcoholic.

Then again, my father drinks about 6-7 nights a week every week for the past 20-something years.  I've never seen him drink more than two drinks a night and have never seen him anywhere close to being even tipsy.

If you go out drinking that much...I'm jealous because I'm not that rich. :( Seriously, who could afford that?

vodka can go in the freezer, most other alcohols should stay at room temperature...I googled it, don't put them in the freezer, you can ruin them!

Original Post by smw:

vodka can go in the freezer, most other alcohols should stay at room temperature...I googled it, don't put them in the freezer, you can ruin them!

For the record, you can put light rum in the freezer and it'll be just fine. Dark rum will tend to pour syrupy, but in both cases they should be fine overall. However, you might want to avoid doing that to very aged rums (like Appleton Estates 21 year, which is aged in old bourbon barrels picking up complex undertones that might be affected by freezing)... Aged rums like that should basically be treated like cognac.

... and of course, any overproof can be freezer-stored, but you're not drinking that stuff for the flavour. It's gonna taste like rocket fuel no matter how you store it.  The reason you'd store it in the freezer it to make sure something doesn't happen to detonate it. Tongue out

(apparently, Appleton has since released a limited run of 30 year aged rum, which retails, if you can find it, at around $400/bottle. Only 800 or so ended up in north america.)

I used to stop in the bar on my way home from work I walked to and from work and was legal age but quite a bit younger.  I would probably have 2- 4 drinks in an hour and would do this every day.  I got off work at 4 hit the bar by 4:15 and be home by 7 some nights I would stay til 9 or 10 then go home to bed.  

I could not do that today I'd be dead

Is it a sign of an alcoholic I don't know- I did consider myself a "weekend alcoholic" though 

I think an outrageous amount of ETOH for one person isn't going to be that for someone else.  Some people can hold their liquor better than others.  If you have more body weight you can drink more usually before getting as drunk as someone smaller.

I know I can't drink near as much today as I could when I was younger, but I don't drink that often anymore.  

 

I am drunk right now. Seriously.

Drinking more than 100ml of a strong alcoholic beverage (40% alcohol) 6 days/nights out of 7 sounds like the road to perdition to me, of course no definition of a "drink" is given so I'm just assuming here.

6 drinks in four hours is fine once, not every day, and the sane amount depends on the person but if it comes to headaches, throwing up, out of character behavior then it's intoxication not responsible drinking.

And from what I've noticed there is a predisposition towards intoxication and not all people have it. I know a lot of folks that drink responsibly no matter the occasion, myself included.

I could totally do that every day, stay sober and wake up fresh the next morning. Heck, to get to the level of getting a hangover it takes a ridiculous amount and I've yet to manage to get so drunk I pass out. Yes, I've tried just to see my limits. After something like an entire bottle of wine, and a dozen shots of liquor plus some cocktails I was simply tipsy and nauseated. Half a bottle of tequila simply made me throw up and become completely sober and pissed. And no, it's not that I 'think' I'm sober, all my friends look at me as some kind of alchohol superhero.

Does it mean it's ok to drink more? No. I have a high tolerance for alchohol, but just because my brain can handle it doesn't mean my liver can. Drinking so much per day is unhealthy and has consequences.

Drinking every day is healthy, if you drink good stuff (quality red wine, quality beer) in the recommended amounts (one drink a day). I'd advise anyone who wants to drink to opt better for a nice glass of expensive whatever they like rather then keep sipping mindlessly like a baby for the entire time they're out.

 

To me alchoholism is something that interferes with your life. Some people are high functioning alchoholics, and they manage to hold it together, have a job, friends and family. But just because at first sight it doesn't interfere with their lives, doesn't mean they're still not alchohlics, because that much drinking is ruining their health. And it's not frequency, because some people can drink seldom, but when they do they end up hurting people around them, or putting themselves in dangerous situations. Some people don't drink too much, but the alchohol is so important to them they would put it above everything else in importance. That to me is alchoholism too.

P.S. I really see no joy in drinking that much. I really don't get why people do it. When I'm out I normally will drink 1-2 beers, with soft drinks in between. I still have fun, and it's a lot cheaper.

This thread interests me because, in the words of Curly, "I resemble that remark" or at least I used to.

Back in my early drinking career, I got up to about 12 Jack and Cokes before I cut myself off--13 being unlucky, you see--or a case of beer over the weekend. and several drinks on work nights.  With time, I have devolved down to a few every couple of months, if that.

As far as quantity versus quality, I could never nurse a drink to save my life; also, I never tasted that much of a difference when I was drinking whatever and sodas anyhow, so anything off the speed rack was just fine with me.  In the case of gin, cheap gin doesn't give me a headache, where Tanqueray does--go figure.

As to the why, back in the day when I logged numerous hours on a bar stool, it was just a matter of numbing out.  I drank alone, with my buddies, Jack and Jim.  I bought rounds, played pool, got in a few fights, but mostly I was Just Passing Time.

Oddly, I was at my best weight back then.  I drank and ate little.  All those carbs kept me going, I guess. 

After I started cutting back--with a girlfriend and baby on the way--I switched over to food--coffee, doughnuts, and fast food, and even though the girlfriend left after loosing the baby, I kept eating to fill "that hole" I didn't know existed.

Eating or drinking, it was a matter to fill that hole for me.

Now, after a decade of soul searching, and getting honest with myself, I'm even scaling back on food. 

I get no kick from fried chicken / the taste of a cheeseburger doesn't thrill me at all.  Time doth make monks of us all.

 

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