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I'm not talking about if you have a soul and where it might end up.

And I'm not talking about if you want to be buried or cremated (though you can share that if you want to).

I mean, would it bother you if your likeness were re-created and projected in a 3D hologram thing like with Tupac for some purpose that you had not agreed to while you were alive?

Now, very few of us on this board are famous, so our images would probably not appear in a concert or performance of any kind. But maybe a security company sells a product that projects the images of people into your home or office to make it look like someone is in there?  I don't know.. that's all I could come up with.

Something about the whole thing seems unethical to me, although, the person who might object is dead, so... does it really matter since it can't hurt them anymore?  Isn't it assumed that the family of the deceased own the rights to the deceased's likeness?  Should you put it in your will if you don't want your likeness or DNA to be used in any way after your death?  Would anybody have to honor it once you're gone? Should it even matter what happens to the likeness or DNA of dead people?

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This is an interesting question.

Do you think the use of a hologram for a performance differs substantially from the display of figures at, say, Madame Tussaud's wax museums?  'Cause I don't really have a philosophical problem with those.

Well...I think there's a difference between a reproduced likeness and a DNA sample. A holographic likeness is, IMO, only marginally different from a 2D likeness, and governed by (one assumes) licensing agreements with the estate.

 

not sure we have that much control over what happens to our likeness while we're alive, anyway, without tons of $ for court fees.

re dna samples... also would not prefer to be a henrietta lacks.

but yeah, it would bother me, for sure... though, again, we have little control over how others perceive us just in ordinary encounters.

It's kind of confusing to me.

I could paint a portrait of Elvis and sell it. Would I owe his estate anything from the sale?

Do I only owe them money if it's been less than 70 years since his death? (I think that's the term of copyright, but it's been changed so often, I'm not exactly sure.)

Making a dead person perform "live" seems different than a painting. It seems like I would be putting words into the dead person's mouth, not to mention gestures into its body. Which just seems unethical, although I can't truly articulate why.

I just think it shows the direction the human race is heading in at a steady pace...we struggle to have respect for much of anything...not even the dead!

If I had been one of those people who's life headed down the path of fame...I would be coming back to haunt a few folk if they did something like this to me :D

Can toss my body to the sharks if ya want!

I only have on request: Not to be buried. I don't want to take up a slot of land for centuries. The Earth only has so much space. Either toss me into the ocean (lol) or cremate me and keep or spread my ashes - up to you (family or whoever).

Can even have it for science if they want, just do not bury me!

My likeness is not so much of an issue for me.  My DNA is another matter. 

If I were to be aware of such things after I die, I'd not like my DNA being used for any reason I can think of at present.

Unless it was somehow perhaps being used in growing an organ for one of my progeny (Assuming this is an option when I die).  Goodness knows I don't need to be cloned!

 

Original Post by cptbunny:

Can toss my body to the sharks if ya want!

I only have on request: Not to be buried. I don't want to take up a slot of land for centuries. The Earth only has so much space. Either toss me into the ocean (lol) or cremate me and keep or spread my ashes - up to you (family or whoever).

Can even have it for science if they want, just do not bury me!

I want to become this.

 

Images are protected by copyright law.  If it's not copyrighted it's considered free use.

The courts have ruled (via Henrietta Lacks and various other court cases involving patient's who's DNA was "sampled") that you have no rights to your own DNA.  So if someone out there wants to clone Michael Jackson they would be able to do so and the estate wouldn't be able to stop it or profit from it.

But you know what, if someone wanted to use my image or DNA after I died then I wouldn't worry about it.  After all, I'll still be dead.  It's not like I'm going to be able to object.

Now if anyone wants to clone MJ, it can be done for about $40,000, plus viable genetic material, an egg donor and a surrogate mother.

I'm going to request the Tupac treatment in my will now.

Original Post by knowan:

Images are protected by copyright law.  If it's not copyrighted it's considered free use.

The courts have ruled (via Henrietta Lacks and various other court cases involving patient's who's DNA was "sampled") that you have no rights to your own DNA.  So if someone out there wants to clone Michael Jackson they would be able to do so and the estate wouldn't be able to stop it or profit from it.

But you know what, if someone wanted to use my image or DNA after I died then I wouldn't worry about it.  After all, I'll still be dead.  It's not like I'm going to be able to object.

Now if anyone wants to clone MJ, it can be done for about $40,000, plus viable genetic material, an egg donor and a surrogate mother.

*feels a mite queasy*

I don't like the idea of my likeness being used to endorse something I was totally against, but generally...   I don't think I care.  

It's not like people don't know it's not me.  Besides, I may leave behind someone that would do anything just to see me one more time.  A 3D hologram will never replace the lost loved one...   but I totally support ANYTHING that will assist the grieving. 

This was an art and music festival.  Lots of fans mourned Tupac.  It was created by Dr. Dre, someone that he knew and respected and seemed to trust.  It wasn't selling anything.  It was pretty amazing actually.  I think Tupac would have supported it, seeing that it made a lot of people happy. 

What about if they put a 3D projector in your gravestone?  Would that be crossing the line? (I'd actually be surprised if this isn't offered soon).

It would seen kind of dignified to me.

Now to take it too far...

Hook the 3D projector up to a computer.  Add in a voice sample.  With the results of a simple personality test, plus what can be gleaned from your public record (facebook, twitter, etc) the computer can be made to project you personality and voice onto the image, making it interactive.

Now imagine if they set this up at your funeral...

I want my body to be exploited after I die!

I want every inch of my skin, every organ, even the lenses from my eyes to be transplanted.

I want my hair to be made into a wig for a cancer patient.

I want my blood to be banked if it can be used for the living or given to scientific study if it is too tainted by medications.

Take my bones. Graph them, study them, clone them. I don't really care. I'll not be needing them.

Make my death bed into a life bed. Let my remains return a mother to her children, sight to a blind man, and hope to the suffering. Please don't let there be enough of my body left to fill a match box. Give it all way.

Go ahead, use me after I'm gone.

My life has meaning now. Let my death have meaning too!

Original Post by meta15:

I don't like the idea of my likeness being used to endorse something I was totally against, but generally...   I don't think I care.  

It's not like people don't know it's not me.  Besides, I may leave behind someone that would do anything just to see me one more time.  A 3D hologram will never replace the lost loved one...   but I totally support ANYTHING that will assist the grieving. 

This was an art and music festival.  Lots of fans mourned Tupac.  It was created by Dr. Dre, someone that he knew and respected and seemed to trust.  It wasn't selling anything.  It was pretty amazing actually.  I think Tupac would have supported it, seeing that it made a lot of people happy. 

Other than tickets...

Original Post by cptbunny:

Can toss my body to the sharks if ya want!

I only have on request: Not to be buried. I don't want to take up a slot of land for centuries. The Earth only has so much space. Either toss me into the ocean (lol) or cremate me and keep or spread my ashes - up to you (family or whoever).

Can even have it for science if they want, just do not bury me!

Yup!!!

 

I'd love to be used for scientific studies, research, dissection, what have you.

As far as the hologram thing... Uhhh.. no.  that's just weird/bizarro, and I found the Tupac thing a bit sketchy as well.

 

 

Original Post by knowan:

Hook the 3D projector up to a computer.  Add in a voice sample.  With the results of a simple personality test, plus what can be gleaned from your public record (facebook, twitter, etc) the computer can be made to project you personality and voice onto the image, making it interactive.

Now imagine if they set this up at your funeral...

My funeral in a holodeck - I'm only depressed by the thought because I wouldn't be there to see how cool it was, and there would be the distinct possibility it would freak out my youngest son.

As for the possibility of cloning, the main thing I would be concerned about is that it would be essentially the ultimate form of identify theft.  I would still be worried about the effect on my kids, but would probably less bothered if there were guarantees that the clone wouldn't have rights to possessions and assets that I left to my children.

*considers making alternations to will*

Original Post by trh:

Original Post by meta15:

I don't like the idea of my likeness being used to endorse something I was totally against, but generally...   I don't think I care.  

It's not like people don't know it's not me.  Besides, I may leave behind someone that would do anything just to see me one more time.  A 3D hologram will never replace the lost loved one...   but I totally support ANYTHING that will assist the grieving. 

This was an art and music festival.  Lots of fans mourned Tupac.  It was created by Dr. Dre, someone that he knew and respected and seemed to trust.  It wasn't selling anything. It was pretty amazing actually.  I think Tupac would have supported it, seeing that it made a lot of people happy. 

Other than tickets...


Because people wouldn't have attended Coachella otherwise? 

If someone asked me what Coachella is, I would have guessed...

a new, low-end, Coach-spin-off brand of less expensive handbags and such

I want all of my memories and personality downloaded into a computer and then uploaded into someone else (who's had their memories/personality wiped) so that I can come back to life in a different body and solve my own murder.

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