Am I an evil conservative hate-monger? ::The other side to Phylbean's post:: :)

Or just a good conservative?

This thread is explores the “other side” of the Phylbean post titled “Am I unpatriotic”.  P.S. Phylbean, the answer is no.

1)      I do support the war in Iraq, the surge, AND the troops.  I wasn’t a fan of the war at the beginning, but we are there now and we are winning.  The number of U.S. combat deaths in September dropped 86 percent from where they were a year ago for September, making it one of the least deadly months since the war began. Violence against Iraqi civilians is also down about 70%. We've turned over more and more provinces to Iraqi control...their infrastructure is being rebuilt and their economy is on the rise. Iraq's oil production is up to around 2.5 million barrels per day and they just posted a budget SURPLUS of $70 billion. In fact, the Surge has worked so well, it now seems that we will start withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.  WOOT! 

2)      Flag-burning is our right as Americans, but if I see someone burning a flag, I will send glares your way.  Why?  For me, our flag symbolizes my hopes for our country, our troops, our way of life, and all of those who have fought for it.  If you want to make a statement, fantastic.  Make a sign, organize a march, get involved!!  You can make much more of a difference doing the above then burning a flag. 

3)      I believe taxes are need to a certain extent, but personal responsibility should remain on the forefront of our minds!  I don’t want my money going to some research study concerning cross breeding two types of fish.  I don’t want my money going to someone else’s heath care unless they have a serious life-threatening problem.  I do NOT want it going to someone who by choice dropped out of high school, and surprisingly can’t find a job.  I want to save my money for my retirement and my children’s future. 

4)      I believe that the life begins at conception.  I believe that all abortion should be illegal, except in cases that risk the mother’s health.  People can do whatever they want, have sex with whoever they want, with as many people as they want.  That is their choice.  Once a woman becomes pregnant though, all of that goes out the window.  I think adoption should be focused on more. 

5)       I am not the hugest fan of W., but I don’t think he is evil or stupid, and I certainly don’t hate him. 

6)      I also believe that everyone has the right to practice whatever religion they want to.  I believe in the separation of church and State.  However, I am annoyed when I see the full fledged attack on Christians in our media, schools, and general society.  If half of the things I hear demeaning Christianity were said about the Jewish faith or the Islamic religion, there would be a revolt.  Just saying. 

7)      I like guns.  I go to the fire range every other week to shoot guns.   I don’t mind backround checks, or mental heath checks, but don’t even try to take away my guns!  I’m sorry, but if someone enters my home in the middle of the night and starts up the stairs where my baby girl sleeps, I am using my gun and I aim well.

Cheers. 

Original Post by moonikins:

Original Post by sevsmom:

Believe it or not, not all pro life people are ignorant of the implications of the stand they take. It's not like you or any of the other pro-abortion supporters here are the first I've had challenge me. 

 Why do you refer to people who are pro-choice as pro-abortion?

 Why do some people refer to pro-life as Anti-choice?

Original Post by moonikins:

Think back to your high school. Do you really believe that 92% of the kids around you were saying daily prayers in school? I don't and I was Christian at the time.

 Heck no!  I did my homework.  Actually, I prayed to God that I could get my homework done on time.

Original Post by pgeorgian:

Original Post by obigmcveyo:

So then it is wrong of my company to require a drug test in order for me to work here, as many other companies and organizations do?  Since it is a health issue and it would be discriminating of them to not hire me because of my health problems?  If I need to take a drug test in order to have an income, shouldn't they as well? 

you'd be within your rights to refuse the test, in most cases.  the exceptions would be if you had a documented history of using on the job, if it was a condition of your parole, etc.

i'd challenge it.

 drug tests are usually administered by employers to maintain their workmen's comp discount. you don't get the option of challenging it, as employment is an at-will situation.

most of the employers who need to test but don't, freely admit they don't because they would never have any qualified applicants. :)

Original Post by peaches0405:

Well I guess I don't really get where you are coming from then pg.  Are you just saying that government assistance or not, you simply want the whole law reversed to make drug use legal for everyone as long as they aren't selling it??? 

i'm saying that (a) in a lot jurisdictions, this has already effectively happened and that (b) i agree with that.

yes, i see drug abuse--illicit, prescription, OTC, out of a bottle, smoked, snorted, huffed, injected, etc etc--as a health issue, not a legal or moral one.

Let's call a spade a spade. Regarding the "pro choice" or pro abortion designation.

Original Post by peaches0405:

Original Post by moonikins:

Original Post by sevsmom:

Believe it or not, not all pro life people are ignorant of the implications of the stand they take. It's not like you or any of the other pro-abortion supporters here are the first I've had challenge me. 

 Why do you refer to people who are pro-choice as pro-abortion?

 Why do some people refer to pro-life as Anti-choice?

 oooh, snap!!

Thank you, pg.  Now I can say that I fully understand what you are saying.

But I still disagree. 

Original Post by sevsmom:

so you'll drive me to the clinic and pick me up after my abortion?

 pgeorgian ~ I won't even bother to answer, what I assume is a rhetorical question. But, if you value the unborn and need help honoring that value, there are plenty of us out there who will help to the best of our ability. If your unplanned pregnancy causes a disruption to the life you had planned, there's nothing I or anyone else can do to change that. However, there is a community of people who will stand with a person in a crisis pregnancy to help them through. Believe it or not, not all pro life people are ignorant of the implications of the stand they take. It's not like you or any of the other pro-abortion supporters here are the first I've had challenge me. 

i'm not pro-abortion, i'm pro-choice.  i've never heard a pro-choice person refer to herself as pro-abortion; that's a tactic that only pro-lifers use.

and thanks for the offer, but as long as i have choice, i won't need your support.

#401 I agree. If I need to take a drug test to earn a paycheck that will be taxed, then the individual that benefits from those tax dollars should be required to do so also.

I also believe if I am paying the salaries of government employees no matter how lofty the position should do the same regularly.

It's not much different than background checks for gun permits, show me you aren't a mental case, a convicted felon, or an illegal visitor to my country and you can get a gun.

^^  I like it bagga 

Original Post by sevsmom:

Let's call a spade a spade. Regarding the "pro choice" or pro abortion designation.

 ummm. dunno about that. 'Pro-choice' implies I am not prepared to tell anyone what to do with their body. My personal choice is that I couldn't do it.

i'm not pro-abortion, i'm pro-choice.  i've never heard a pro-choice person refer to herself as pro-abortion; that's a tactic that only pro-lifers use.

and thanks for the offer, but as long as i have choice, i won't need your support.

Hiding behind the word "choice" is a tactic as well. Choice sounds so much more palatable than abortion.  There are plenty of choices we make every day that I am totally in favor of. The "choice" you refer to is barbaric at best. . A baby is being destroyed in the name of "choice".

Original Post by sevsmom:

Let's call a spade a spade. Regarding the "pro choice" or pro abortion designation.

No it's not. It is implying your moral judgment. There are many people who are anti-abortion that believe women should still have the choice. I've heard many posters on this forum specifically they believe abortion to be wrong from their point of view, but would never take away the legal option for women who believe differently.

I am pro-choice. That means I support a woman's right to choose abortion if she feels it is the right thing for her to do. I do not promote abortion. I would love for abortions to be rare.

Original Post by bagga:

#401 I agree. If I need to take a drug test to earn a paycheck that will be taxed, then the individual that benefits from those tax dollars should be required to do so also.

I also believe if I am paying the salaries of government employees no matter how lofty the position should do the same regularly.

It's not much different than background checks for gun permits, show me you aren't a mental case, a convicted felon, or an illegal visitor to my country and you can get a gun.

 

 Word!

actually, sevsmom, i have no problem whatsoever with the word abortion.  abortion abortion abortion.  totally palatable.  yummy, in fact.  any time i get to choose what happens to my body, it's positively delicious.

Original Post by bagga:

#401 I agree. If I need to take a drug test to earn a paycheck that will be taxed, then the individual that benefits from those tax dollars should be required to do so also.

I also believe if I am paying the salaries of government employees no matter how lofty the position should do the same regularly.

It's not much different than background checks for gun permits, show me you aren't a mental case, a convicted felon, or an illegal visitor to my country and you can get a gun.

 

I see your point.

pgeorgian ~ best wishes to you. Use your "choices" wisely, dear. Some of those may come with a price tag much higher than you expect.

I'm not nearly as judgmental as some are assuming. That's OK. The fact that we throw away a million babies a year in this country in the name of "choice" is worth taking a stand over. Even if that stand is not understood by others.

Ladies & Gentlemen ~ my best to you all. And my prayers.

Original Post by kathygator:

Original Post by bagga:

#401 I agree. If I need to take a drug test to earn a paycheck that will be taxed, then the individual that benefits from those tax dollars should be required to do so also.

I also believe if I am paying the salaries of government employees no matter how lofty the position should do the same regularly.

It's not much different than background checks for gun permits, show me you aren't a mental case, a convicted felon, or an illegal visitor to my country and you can get a gun.

 

I see your point.

it almost makes logical sense (other than the gun analogy, which you know doesn't work for me), but i wonder how the libertarians rationalize it?

this isn't an issue in canada, so i'm not going to get into it, other than to say that my blood--like my womb--is my own.

although..maybe we should just do away with drug testing as a condition of employment.

would hate it if "House" lost his job. ;)

Original Post by sevsmom:

pgeorgian ~ best wishes to you. Use your "choices" wisely, dear. Some of those may come with a price tag much higher than you expect.

I'm not nearly as judgmental as some are assuming. That's OK. The fact that we throw away a million babies a year in this country in the name of "choice" is worth taking a stand over. Even if that stand is not understood by others.

Ladies & Gentlemen ~ my best to you all. And my prayers.

for the record, sevsmom, i've never had an abortion and at this point in my life it's highly unlikely that i ever will.  but i will defend my right to do so to the teeth.