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Fat Head...no, not you the documentary.


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Original Post by dove2424:

Original Post by moonikins:

I didn't watch the whole Fathead. I saw excerpts. While what he's saying is true, that's not how people in the US eat fast food. They don't limit themselves to 2000 calories and then walk 5 miles a day. It just doesn't happen. It is not a realistic and it will only be used by fast food eaters to justify thier diets.

The whole idea behind Super Size Me was to show what happens to your body on a typical fast food diet. I have witnessed far too many obese people eat more like the Super Size guy than the Fathead guy.

I think the Fathead was trying to make a valid point, but I think the people with diets high in fast food won't get the point he was making. They also won't exercise or limit their calories. They'll just use it to prove their diet is OK.

How many meals does one get eating only 2000 calories a day on McDonalds?  I am guessing 2.  I agree with Moonie too in that, MOST people who eat fast food, pay ZERO attention to how many calories they consume.  I did watch SuperSize Me and I thought Morgan made a LOT of good points.  Most people who eat fast food do NOT exercise, do NOT count calories, or even care what they are eating (trust me I live with one!) It is all about what tastes good and convenience.  Could I eat McDonalds every day and maintain?  Yes.. I would order grilled everything or salads and not use the dressing.  I would count everything, and I exercise.  But I am not the norm. 

 Well, of course it depends on what you order. If those labels and/or my memory are correct, you could have, say.

1 Big Mac-450-500 calories.

A diet soda-0 calories

A medium french fry, for about another 400 calories.

So, say 1,000 calories give or take. Kind of a lot for one meal to be sure, but if you were aiming for 2,000 calories a day, it's doable if you watched what you ordered.

I try telling this to my young boy cousin (19 yrs), to let him know he can have his precious fast food and still lose weight (he needs to drop about 60 lbs)

But, he needs to read labels and watch how much he's actually eating.

He'll tell you he rarely eats fast food, or only once a week, but he seems to forget he had it at least 3 times in the past 7 days when he's stating this so vehemently. These are just the times I see, too. No telling what else he had before it, either.

He never orders just one burger..unless it's some kind of triple thing.

Mc Donald's, his usual is:

Large fry-about 500 calories there (or more?)

Large soda (at least 300 since they're huge)

A cheeseburger (we'll say 250)

A chicken sandwich (another 200-300)

He likes to take one bun off the burger and squish the chicken sandwich into it. He calls this a "Mc Gangbang"

I call it a "Mc Fatass"

If he's eating Taco Bell, it's a large soda, and 2 crunchwrap supremes which are obscenely high in calories.

He inhales around 1500-2,000 calories just in the one meal, I figure.

He'll think nothing of having ice cream and whatnot after, too.

And he says "I don't know how I'm gaining weight"

*Facepalm*

Sorry for the little rant. I LOVE fast food, but I know eating it more than maybe every few months is a bad idea.

When I do eat it, there are no buns, fries, or sugary soda since of course I'm little miss low carb.

It's still horrible, even nixing those items, though.

 

 

actually the McD's oatmeal is loaded with cream and sugar along with the instant oatmeal and dried fruit. It may be better than some options but it is still loaded with lots of bad fats (not all fat is bad, just some of them) and way to much sugar. I'm at work, so its hard for me to google the exact calorie count, but it's quite up there. 

I watched a segment on TV once locally where they should a McD's worker making it. YUCK!!

Original Post by thecrankyone:

actually the McD's oatmeal is loaded with cream and sugar along with the instant oatmeal and dried fruit. It may be better than some options but it is still loaded with lots of bad fats (not all fat is bad, just some of them) and way to much sugar. I'm at work, so its hard for me to google the exact calorie count, but it's quite up there. 

I watched a segment on TV once locally where they should a McD's worker making it. YUCK!!

 Um ok...

Fruit and Maple Oatmeal-290 cals, 4.5 fat, 160 sodium, 32 sugars, 5 protein, 5 fiber Vit C 130, 10 calcium, 10 iron

Fruit w/o brownsugar Oatmeal-260 cals, 4.5 fat, 115 sodium, 18 sugars, 5 protein, 5 fiber, 130 Vit C, 10 calcium, 10 iron

1st- it IS NOT loaded with bad fat or hardly any fat for that matter. 2nd-The sugar is significantly cut if you order it w the fruit only. And the sugar from the fruit is fine. 3rd-The protein and fiber and calories are awesome for breakfast. And don't get me started on the benefits of oatmeal in general.

There is nothing wrong with Mickey D's oatmeal. Now if you want to start talking about how gross food preparatios are...watch Food Inc. 

Original Post by connielicious:

Original Post by thecrankyone:

actually the McD's oatmeal is loaded with cream and sugar along with the instant oatmeal and dried fruit. It may be better than some options but it is still loaded with lots of bad fats (not all fat is bad, just some of them) and way to much sugar. I'm at work, so its hard for me to google the exact calorie count, but it's quite up there. 

I watched a segment on TV once locally where they should a McD's worker making it. YUCK!!

 Um ok...

Fruit and Maple Oatmeal-290 cals, 4.5 fat, 160 sodium, 32 sugars, 5 protein, 5 fiber Vit C 130, 10 calcium, 10 iron

Fruit w/o brownsugar Oatmeal-260 cals, 4.5 fat, 115 sodium, 18 sugars, 5 protein, 5 fiber, 130 Vit C, 10 calcium, 10 iron

1st- it IS NOT loaded with bad fat or hardly any fat for that matter. 2nd-The sugar is significantly cut if you order it w the fruit only. And the sugar from the fruit is fine. 3rd-The protein and fiber and calories are awesome for breakfast. And don't get me started on the benefits of oatmeal in general.

There is nothing wrong with Mickey D's oatmeal. Now if you want to start talking about how gross food preparatios are...watch Food Inc. 

I guess if your forced to eat at Mcdonald's the oatmeal is better than the McGriddle, but you point out the ingredients, they aren't the real ingredients, grandma or ma would use, it's made with things like modified corn starch, doesn't contain real maple syrup, and the apples have no taste. You ain't seen nothing til you see how a chicken nugget is made.

Seriously, I was a McD's manager for 16 years, the food is crap. You would be surprised how it's made, basically everything is cooked and held in warmers usually WAY past experation time, even the buns are pre-toasted. The produce is all pre-packaged in plastic bags and treated so it doesn't spoil quickly. Your not doing much better with the oatmeal. Take 10 minutes in the morning and fix your own. Food Inc, ha they have nothin' on Mickey D's, afterall where do you think McD's gets the hamburger, pork, and chicken comes. Mickey D's just gets to do more damage along the way.

Original Post by raychelc:

He likes to take one bun off the burger and squish the chicken sandwich into it. He calls this a "Mc Gangbang"

I call it a "Mc Fatass"

 Loved this.  Hilarious.

Original Post by r4eboxer:

Original Post by connielicious:

Original Post by thecrankyone:

actually the McD's oatmeal is loaded with cream and sugar along with the instant oatmeal and dried fruit. It may be better than some options but it is still loaded with lots of bad fats (not all fat is bad, just some of them) and way to much sugar. I'm at work, so its hard for me to google the exact calorie count, but it's quite up there. 

I watched a segment on TV once locally where they should a McD's worker making it. YUCK!!

 Um ok...

Fruit and Maple Oatmeal-290 cals, 4.5 fat, 160 sodium, 32 sugars, 5 protein, 5 fiber Vit C 130, 10 calcium, 10 iron

Fruit w/o brownsugar Oatmeal-260 cals, 4.5 fat, 115 sodium, 18 sugars, 5 protein, 5 fiber, 130 Vit C, 10 calcium, 10 iron

1st- it IS NOT loaded with bad fat or hardly any fat for that matter. 2nd-The sugar is significantly cut if you order it w the fruit only. And the sugar from the fruit is fine. 3rd-The protein and fiber and calories are awesome for breakfast. And don't get me started on the benefits of oatmeal in general.

There is nothing wrong with Mickey D's oatmeal. Now if you want to start talking about how gross food preparatios are...watch Food Inc. 

I guess if your forced to eat at Mcdonald's the oatmeal is better than the McGriddle, but you point out the ingredients, they aren't the real ingredients, grandma or ma would use, it's made with things like modified corn starch, doesn't contain real maple syrup, and the apples have no taste. You ain't seen nothing til you see how a chicken nugget is made.

Seriously, I was a McD's manager for 16 years, the food is crap. You would be surprised how it's made, basically everything is cooked and held in warmers usually WAY past experation time, even the buns are pre-toasted. The produce is all pre-packaged in plastic bags and treated so it doesn't spoil quickly. Your not doing much better with the oatmeal. Take 10 minutes in the morning and fix your own. Food Inc, ha they have nothin' on Mickey D's, afterall where do you think McD's gets the hamburger, pork, and chicken comes. Mickey D's just gets to do more damage along the way.

Original Post by r4eboxer:

Original Post by connielicious:

Original Post by thecrankyone:

actually the McD's oatmeal is loaded with cream and sugar along with the instant oatmeal and dried fruit. It may be better than some options but it is still loaded with lots of bad fats (not all fat is bad, just some of them) and way to much sugar. I'm at work, so its hard for me to google the exact calorie count, but it's quite up there. 

I watched a segment on TV once locally where they should a McD's worker making it. YUCK!!

 Um ok...

Fruit and Maple Oatmeal-290 cals, 4.5 fat, 160 sodium, 32 sugars, 5 protein, 5 fiber Vit C 130, 10 calcium, 10 iron

Fruit w/o brownsugar Oatmeal-260 cals, 4.5 fat, 115 sodium, 18 sugars, 5 protein, 5 fiber, 130 Vit C, 10 calcium, 10 iron

1st- it IS NOT loaded with bad fat or hardly any fat for that matter. 2nd-The sugar is significantly cut if you order it w the fruit only. And the sugar from the fruit is fine. 3rd-The protein and fiber and calories are awesome for breakfast. And don't get me started on the benefits of oatmeal in general.

There is nothing wrong with Mickey D's oatmeal. Now if you want to start talking about how gross food preparatios are...watch Food Inc. 

I guess if your forced to eat at Mcdonald's the oatmeal is better than the McGriddle, but you point out the ingredients, they aren't the real ingredients, grandma or ma would use, it's made with things like modified corn starch, doesn't contain real maple syrup, and the apples have no taste. You ain't seen nothing til you see how a chicken nugget is made.

Seriously, I was a McD's manager for 16 years, the food is crap. You would be surprised how it's made, basically everything is cooked and held in warmers usually WAY past experation time, even the buns are pre-toasted. The produce is all pre-packaged in plastic bags and treated so it doesn't spoil quickly. Your not doing much better with the oatmeal. Take 10 minutes in the morning and fix your own. Food Inc, ha they have nothin' on Mickey D's, afterall where do you think McD's gets the hamburger, pork, and chicken comes. Mickey D's just gets to do more damage along the way.

 http://www.dietfacts.com/html/nutrition-facts /mcdonalds-maple-brown-sugar-oatmeal-topped-w ith-apples63549.htm

With out the cream it would be okay, but I would still rather have oatmeal I made myself with out Oatmeal and the preserved fruit and sugar they add.

My son also used to work at McD's. Last summer.

Sorry guys don't know what happened there...

 But @ r4eboxer- I hear ya. I know there is alot of grossness that goes on in the food industry. I worked at a Pizza Inn when I was in college. I know the corners they cut to save a buck. i know the nastiness that goes on in the manufaturing of the meat that goes to these different resturants....

But none of that concerns me. I'm not (yet) one of those people who have to eat CLEAN or not consume anything processed. Or one who will only eat food prepared out of my kitchen. Maybe one day but that's not me yet.

Right now I know that Mcdonald's isn't to blame for the overweight population, people are to blame for the overweight population. So I will contiue to have my Mcdouble and medium fry and oatmeal whenever I wan and I will continue to log my calories and I know I will continue to lose weight.

Because in truth it's really calories in vs calories out.

Original Post by connielicious:

Sorry guys don't know what happened there...

 But @ r4eboxer- I hear ya. I know there is alot of grossness that goes on in the food industry. I worked at a Pizza Inn when I was in college. I know the corners they cut to save a buck. i know the nastiness that goes on in the manufaturing of the meat that goes to these different resturants....

But none of that concerns me. I'm not (yet) one of those people who have to eat CLEAN or not consume anything processed. Or one who will only eat food prepared out of my kitchen. Maybe one day but that's not me yet.

Right now I know that Mcdonald's isn't to blame for the overweight population, people are to blame for the overweight population. So I will contiue to have my Mcdouble and medium fry and oatmeal whenever I wan and I will continue to log my calories and I know I will continue to lose weight.

Because in truth it's really calories in vs calories out.

I know this is a calorie count website, but I don't agree that it's a calorie in calorie out problem. It's an insulin problem and how the body reacts to it. If your leptin levels are too high and cannot cross the blood brain barrier, the leptin cannot tell the hypothalamus what to do with those calories. Once the BBB is fixed it becomes much easier to manage. And of course McD's has nothing to do with that. Metabolic issues do.

Original Post by connielicious:

Since the thread has been hijacked by...baloney...Who has tried the Oatmeal at Mickey D's? It's maple and fruit. But you can get it with just the fruit. It is delicioso.

 *delizioso* i live in bologna, and you should hear the way bolognesi complain about "baloney" or "bologna." Crappy processed american meat after their beloved city? It's an outrage I says, an outrage! *shakes fist

Original Post by r4eboxer:

Original Post by connielicious:

Sorry guys don't know what happened there...

 But @ r4eboxer- I hear ya. I know there is alot of grossness that goes on in the food industry. I worked at a Pizza Inn when I was in college. I know the corners they cut to save a buck. i know the nastiness that goes on in the manufaturing of the meat that goes to these different resturants....

But none of that concerns me. I'm not (yet) one of those people who have to eat CLEAN or not consume anything processed. Or one who will only eat food prepared out of my kitchen. Maybe one day but that's not me yet.

Right now I know that Mcdonald's isn't to blame for the overweight population, people are to blame for the overweight population. So I will contiue to have my Mcdouble and medium fry and oatmeal whenever I wan and I will continue to log my calories and I know I will continue to lose weight.

Because in truth it's really calories in vs calories out.

I know this is a calorie count website, but I don't agree that it's a calorie in calorie out problem. It's an insulin problem and how the body reacts to it. If your leptin levels are too high and cannot cross the blood brain barrier, the leptin cannot tell the hypothalamus what to do with those calories. Once the BBB is fixed it becomes much easier to manage. And of course McD's has nothing to do with that. Metabolic issues do.

This is actually one of the points that was being explained in the movie.  That it really isn't as simple as calories in / calories out.  That was when they went into the animation with the insulin and all.

 

Original Post by thecrankyone:

actually the McD's oatmeal is loaded with cream and sugar along with the instant oatmeal and dried fruit. It may be better than some options but it is still loaded with lots of bad fats (not all fat is bad, just some of them) and way to much sugar. I'm at work, so its hard for me to google the exact calorie count, but it's quite up there. 

I watched a segment on TV once locally where they should a McD's worker making it. YUCK!!

Saturated fat has been shown to be not nearly as detrimental as we previously thought, and in some studies, it has been proven to be beneficial.

So unless the oatmeal has trans fats, which I doubt, it's a good choice for McDonald's. :)

And wtf is with the raging spelling war in the forums lately? :P

Original Post by claudb89:

Original Post by connielicious:

Since the thread has been hijacked by...baloney...Who has tried the Oatmeal at Mickey D's? It's maple and fruit. But you can get it with just the fruit. It is delicioso.

 *delizioso* i live in bologna, and you should hear the way bolognesi complain about "baloney" or "bologna." Crappy processed american meat after their beloved city? It's an outrage I says, an outrage! *shakes fist

 Hilarious!

Original Post by muttlover:

 

 

And wtf is with the raging spelling war in the forums lately? :P

 I only got snarky about the spelling b/c the woman attacked my palate and didn't even spell it right. Listen I'm a foodie and an awesome cook...don't mess with my palate or palette however you wanna spell itLaughing

Original Post by muttlover:

And wtf is with the raging spelling war in the forums lately? :P

Full moon.

Original Post by brian_:

This is actually one of the points that was being explained in the movie.  That it really isn't as simple as calories in / calories out.  That was when they went into the animation with the insulin and all.

 

 I've lost -25 lbs in the past 6 months all on the principals of calories in vs calories out. I've not restricted myself in the least. When I'm out of cals i'm done eating...sometimes :) And right now that works for me. Maybe 20 more lbs. down I'll get more technical about it...maybe not.

Original Post by brian_: This is actually one of the points that was being explained in the movie.  That it really isn't as simple as calories in / calories out.  That was when they went into the animation with the insulin and all.

BUT BUT what about that guy who lost weight eating twinkies and crap? :D

I think it's calories in vs calories out. Plus, could you imagine trying to educate the general population about big words like hypothalamus and metabolism? A lot of people aren't seeming to grasp the concept of counting calories and staying within a certain range. It's simple math.

Just saying. :)

Edit: Damn you spaces! Stay out of my posts!

OK, if I remember correctly I believe the whole point was that the movie was trying to explain why some people can't lose weight no matter how much attention they spend on calories in and out.

Many folks, including me, do in fact lose weight when we create a calorie deficit and exercise, but some people don't, apparently because their body's ability to process insulin is shot, so if you consume too much carbs/sugar you risk damaging your ability to process it via insulin, which increases your likelihood for accumulating fat.  This is one of the things that was truly shocking and informative to me, because I really had no clue of this prior.  I knew that overweight people had a tendency of developing diabetes, but I had no idea of the chemistry that was behind it.

Sadly I have to admit that I was previously inclined to accuse people who complained about not losing weight as inaccurately logging their calories.

 

brian_ I wonder, then - did the movie say that, for the people who don't have trouble losing weight if they simply track their calories and keep a deficit, and don't have any outstanding health issues due to diet,  they don't need to avoid cereal and bread and whatever else got labeled as 'bad'?

Original Post by brian_:

OK, if I remember correctly I believe the whole point was that the movie was trying to explain why some people can't lose weight no matter how much attention they spend on calories in and out.

Many folks, including me, do in fact lose weight when we create a calorie deficit and exercise, but some people don't, apparently because their body's ability to process insulin is shot, so if you consume too much carbs/sugar you risk damaging your ability to process it via insulin, which increases your likelihood for accumulating fat.  This is one of the things that was truly shocking and informative to me, because I really had no clue of this prior.  I knew that overweight people had a tendency of developing diabetes, but I had no idea of the chemistry that was behind it.

Sadly I have to admit that I was previously inclined to accuse people who complained about not losing weight as inaccurately logging their calories.

I thought the WHOLE point of the movie was to totally debunk the Idea that fast food makes you fat and that Mcdonald's is the MAIN culprit to blame for it.

He was totally calling out Morgan Spurlock on a whole lotta issues. he even tackled the gov't and doctors. There was a lot going on in the movie to be sure. but he was basically saying you can eat a 2000 calorie diet of ALL Mcdonald's and still lose weight.

The clown with the big red nose ain't the problem...there are many but he ain't one of 'em.

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