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I am nervous about the election, I can only hope it gets voted down and I am doing my part!!  Am I the only one that is terrified of Religious backlash leading to a slide in human/civil rights?

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Minneso ta_Same-Sex_Marriage_Amendment,_Amendment_1_(2012)

 

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Any backlash will be a very temporary one. Moral progression will happen, and it is happening already on this issue, in the same way it did with the Civil Rights movement. I am confident that in a generation or two (maybe sooner) our kids and grand-kids will be astounded and ashamed of the rampant gay discrimination that took place for so long.

Religions, more than anything, want to preserve their numbers. That usually means the religious teachings change with the times, and not the other way around, no matter how hard they may try to dig in their heels. There may be a few last-ditch efforts to resist acceptance (which we can see happening presently), but eventually, preservation of their following will win out.

I really hope you are right.  It just seems like the extremest religious groups are growing and really trying to jam themselves into gov.  It makes me feel so icky!

Original Post by agana:

I am nervous about the election, I can only hope it gets voted down and I am doing my part!!  Am I the only one that is terrified of Religious backlash leading to a slide in human/civil rights?

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Minneso ta_Same-Sex_Marriage_Amendment,_Amendment_1_(2012)

I hope it is defeated, but I assume it will pass.

Religious backlash?  Pretty much a common denominator for almost all followers of any religion is intolerance of those who don't agree with the specific religion's tenets.

I've long grown not to be terrified of Religious backlash concerning such things as teaching the theory of evolution in public schools, the important of emphasizing birth control for sexually active teenagers, etc, etc, etc, etc.

The slide in human rights?  Hopefully, our society is curbing the slide, but I have a difficult time getting a handle on if human rights are sliding or not. 

I probably shouldn't be so freaked out. I just think its soooo horrible that they are trying to add a whole freakin amendment to our states constitution.  Its going to be a very costly and long fight to have it struck down, not to mention the fight we have left to pass legislation to allow gay marriage.  MN already has a outrageous ban on gay marriage we don't need an amendment too!

I am also from MN and terrified for this election. I am voting NO, but it seems like every other house I pass on my commute has a 'Vote Yes' sign in their yard.

As much as I don't want it to, my gut tells me it will pass. Undecided

Almost every sign I see in Minneapolis is vote NO...so that is good, hopefully its enough to offset the yes people in your neck of the woods.   What part of MN do you come from?  

 

Just a passing note, but I hope it relates to the discussion at hand.

I have never understood (other than from a narrow interpretation of the bible by conservative Christians -- well, other religions, too, and their interpretations of their holy books), why heterosexuals who have sexual urges for members of the opposite sex absolutely can not understand or have no sympathy or no tolerance for gay people who also have sexual urges. 

I have read and been told it is not a sin to be homosexual, but it is a sin to practice it or to engage in sexual acts with a member of the same sex. As Harper Lee noted through her character Atticus Finch in "To Kill a Mockingbird, we need "to walk around in someone else's skin."

No, I am not gay; but if I were, it would not bother me (other than I would have to hope I didn't get murdered or in some other way be victimized by religious and/or bigoted types.) 

Original Post by agana:

I am nervous about the election, I can only hope it gets voted down and I am doing my part!!  Am I the only one that is terrified of Religious backlash leading to a slide in human/civil rights?

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Minneso ta_Same-Sex_Marriage_Amendment,_Amendment_1_(2012)

 

As a Christian, this Breaks. My. Heart. 

It is so frustrating to have politicians and whoever else draw these hard lines in the sand based on their Religion. It is so far from the point of having a faith. 

It also frustrates me that we (I'll speak for Christians, I'm not a part of another religion) pick something that doesn't apply to the majority of us to declare as a sin worse than others. You don't see many people getting excited to eradicate pride or greed or gluttony from our nation. 

It upsets me that this is the face of Christianity. Last time I checked, every person on the planet is a sinner. Christianity is about love and encouragement, not judgement. Yes, I want to help others be better, and I hope they'll do the same for me, but we're a lost cause on our own. 

I seem to be the odd man out in this discussion, but I hope you don't chalk up all "religious" people as bigots trying to reverse civil rights. 

ejjuhl - we need more Christians like you.

I actually think there are plenty of Christians who think like you do. But the other ones yell a lot louder.

Original Post by ejjuhl:

I seem to be the odd man out in this discussion, but I hope you don't chalk up all "religious" people as bigots trying to reverse civil rights. 

Not at all, ejjuhl. Many of my very dearest friends are religious folks who feel the very same way as you do. But like Amethyst said -- it's the other ones, usually more fundamentalist in their beliefs, that are kicking up the biggest fuss.

true that!

 

Our Canadian friends should appreciate be used for bigotry in the states...I am looking at you pg.  lol

 

http://www.minnesotaformarriage.com/2012/10/c onsequences-if-marriage-is-redefined-a-canada -perspective/

the link didn't work. is voting down making it legal for gay people to get married in MN? i seriously do not understand what the big deal is about gay marriage. i grew up in a catholic family...and i do not care whether or not gay people get married. (i care if is illegal for them obviously, but i think it's their choice if they want to get married or not) my parents also agree with me, although my mom sometimes is uncomfortable if she sees a gay couple kissing in public. it honestly does not bother me. what happened to everyone is equal? and why should anyone else care if gay people can get married? it shouldn't even be an argument. it makes me so mad thinking about it because it's SO STUPID. years from now, people are going to be so embarrassed that they were against it.

Sorry about the link

Its for an amendment to classify marriage as one man and one woman.  Voting no means you support gay marriage...

https://www.minnesotansforequality.com/

Original Post by dreamland7:

the link didn't work. is voting down making it legal for gay people to get married in MN? i seriously do not understand what the big deal is about gay marriage. i grew up in a catholic family...and i do not care whether or not gay people get married. (i care if is illegal for them obviously, but i think it's their choice if they want to get married or not) my parents also agree with me, although my mom sometimes is uncomfortable if she sees a gay couple kissing in public. it honestly does not bother me. what happened to everyone is equal? and why should anyone else care if gay people can get married? it shouldn't even be an argument. it makes me so mad thinking about it because it's SO STUPID. years from now, people are going to be so embarrassed that they were against it.

I don't think it makes any sense either.  Which is why I am voting NO.  Equal rights for all...I say!!

 

You've gotta use the linky button, otherwise CC puts in extra spaces.

Original Post by agana:

true that!

 

Our Canadian friends should appreciate be used for bigotry in the states...I am looking at you pg.  lol

 

http://www.minnesotaformarriage.com/2012/10/c onsequences-if-marriage-is-redefined-a-canada -perspective/

I rolled my eyes so hard reading that crap that one fell out.

I can assure you that those few Canadians were the only ones who feel that way. 

The rest of us don't care one way or the other, except that it means I have to spend more money on more registries.

Edit: Don't care gives the wrong impression.  I mean that most people think gay marriage is a good thing (when they think of it at all), and I can't think of any true consequence any of us would face because someone chooses to marry someone else. 

Original Post by shane_paladin:

I have never understood (other than from a narrow interpretation of the bible by conservative Christians -- well, other religions, too, and their interpretations of their holy books), why heterosexuals who have sexual urges for members of the opposite sex absolutely can not understand or have no sympathy or no tolerance for gay people who also have sexual urges.

It's not the norm - therefore, it's wrong. Also, gay couples are secretly plotting to bring down traditional heterosexual marriage and straight children everywhere will get gay cooties and turn gay themselves.

 

I truly hope it doesn't pass.

Original Post by agana:

Almost every sign I see in Minneapolis is vote NO...so that is good, hopefully its enough to offset the yes people in your neck of the woods.   What part of MN do you come from?  

 


I am from the Ramsey/Elk River/Zimmerman area. I have only seen a handful of the vote NO signs around here, so it relieves me to hear there are more in Minneapolis!

But I also did a little research and found that you have to pay for the Vote No signs, and go pick them up from the campaign offices. The vote Yes folks had the option to have the signs directly mailed to them. So, I am hoping that the signless yards are made up of more people voting No, who were just too lazy to go get a sign(much like myself!).

I'd really like to hear some explanations (other than "the Bible says so") from people who don't support gay marriage, if there are any on this website. I genuinely want to know why they think it's wrong and/or harmful.

Also in MN and voting NO!

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