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Is it ever Justified?


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Is testing on animals ever justified?

To what level is it justified?

Why is it never justified?

In your opinion Smile

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In my opinion, certain circumstances warrant animal testing.  I believe they play an important role in medical research, but their use should be limited and care taken to ensure they are treated as humanely as possible. 

My criteria:

  • The test serves an altruistic purpose to help human or other animals with a major issue.
  • The test can not be done by any other means.
  • The test will not cause prolonged pain and suffering that can be considered animal cruelty.

I would love to answer this question, but ONLY if I can give somebody else's opinion. :-)

Original Post by strangefire1:

I would love to answer this question, but ONLY if I can give somebody else's opinion. :-)

Your opinion is as valid as anyones...so why would you not want to give it?

What a hard question to answer. I remember seeing a video of a chimp being hit in the head repeatly for the purpose of see how much damage it could stand, that was about 10 yrs ago. Watching that poor thing straped in a chair and in pain until it died is beyond words to describe. For what purpose is this needed. For cosmetics, I feel isn't right either. I can see the uses for medicine, it saves a human being, but kills a animal , is it right ,I dont' know.It would it be right to say that  an animals life isn't important. Is there another way or another way that they could test or discover new medicine or surgeries?   I hate to see animals suffer, but also, see how they need to have test subjects.   

 

Yes.

I remember when they grew that ear on the back of the mouse or rat a few years back.  My sister was appalled.  My father said, "I'm sure they asked it nicely if they could do it."

Then again, it's a rat.  It probably doesn't have a compassionate bone in its body and therefore would have refused to grow the ear to help someone out...

Original Post by dnrothx:

Yes.

I remember when they grew that ear on the back of the mouse or rat a few years back.  My sister was appalled.  My father said, "I'm sure they asked it nicely if they could do it."

Then again, it's a rat.  It probably doesn't have a compassionate bone in its body and therefore would have refused to grow the ear to help someone out...

Agree about rats, but I don't communicate with them so don't know their feeling or thought process. Chimps and apes  on the other hand, are too much like us and seeing it beat for a stupid test like how much damage can it take it just wrong.
Dogs and cats are hard to take also. There are cases of pets being stolen and sold to test centers. We had that happen in my town. This is just a topic that know one wins on. I  just don't like to see anything stuffer, but I'm sure we wouldn't be where we are in medicine if we cut it all out.  Wish we could use some prisoners in the prison system , maybe death row . After all they have killed others, the animals haven't done anything. Save tax payers money. Yeah , yeah I know they have rights, but why more than the animals? They have proven that they cant live in society. I can see the picket lines now. Like the rat they don't have a compassionate bone it their bodies.  Now that can of worms is open.

Original Post by amd_66:

Original Post by strangefire1:

I would love to answer this question, but ONLY if I can give somebody else's opinion. :-)

Your opinion is as valid as anyones...so why would you not want to give it?

I was trying (clearly unsuccessfully Tongue out) to be funny. When a question is posed obviously your response is your opinion so I was poking fun at the original post ending with "in your opinion." I need to work on my internet forum jokes.

Everyone agrees implicitly to animal experiments, as all drugs on the market have been tested on animals, or animals were created to discover the targets that the drugs have.

It would be quite difficult to take a stand against them.

 

Original Post by dnrothx:

Yes.

I remember when they grew that ear on the back of the mouse or rat a few years back.  My sister was appalled.  My father said, "I'm sure they asked it nicely if they could do it."

Then again, it's a rat.  It probably doesn't have a compassionate bone in its body and therefore would have refused to grow the ear to help someone out...

That was a good experiment though, the ear was human cartilage IIRC. So it may help with reconstructive surgery. It wasn't just a let's do this because we can.

If you take prescription medication, you are taking something that has been tested on animals.  This does not mean that there is necessarily animal cruelty involved.  It just means that the first trial of a drug is administered to a rat before it is administered to a human. 

I completely support animal rights and am a vegetarian.  But realistically, we ALL benefit from things that have been tested on animals, whether we realize it or not.  So it would be hypocritical to have a blanket statement of that I do not support animal testing.  I do not support animal testing that is performed in a cruel manner, but some degree of (hopefully humane) animal testing is necessary for drug development. 

And, yes, there are other aspects of scientific research besides drug development that involve animal testing.  But I'm not very familiar with those.  I work in the pharma industry, and it would be unrealistic to not use any animals in clinical trials of new medication.

ETA- Before I'm accused of being an evil villain, I do not perform the animal testing.  I am a chemist; I just work on making the molecules, not giving them to living beings, be they rats or monkeys or humans.

I like the quote, "Why test on animals when there are pedophiles in prison??"

Personally I think a rat has more rights than someone who has raped his daughter, or killed his family with a hatchet.

IMO

Rats and mice are fine with me.  My best friend is a scientist with OSU and for the past 2 years she has been trying to find a cure for Hep C.  She uses mice.  She kills so many of them.  Am I okay with that?  Yep.  

I like to test different animals for their flavor. In that case it's definitely justified. I mean, would you honestly prefer mutton over some nice juicy rabbit o_o?

Some years ago my Brother was all up in my face about me and mine going hunting and killing moose. We put it in the freezer and as I was cooking some, he was angry with me....as he stood there in his leather shoes.

I'm sure the cow voluntarily parted with it's hide.

All that aside, I have met a man who had a pig valve in his heart. He was a delightful person and I am richer for having met him.

I have read of burn victims, with their suffering temporarily alleviated with pigskin.

So yes, testing on animals is warranted....but it does beg the question, how can you determine if it is in a "Humane" way? Can we peer into the maze and watch the rat stop and dig in his little ratty pocket for excedrin pm? or perhaps a wee little valium, as he is , like, super stressed and overwhelmed by running this maze as all the hallways look the same and he was up all night listening to that fool hamster in the wheel?

Things to ponder.

 

Original Post by brightmoments:

Some years ago my Brother was all up in my face about me and mine going hunting and killing moose. We put it in the freezer and as I was cooking some, he was angry with me....as he stood there in his leather shoes.

I'm sure the cow voluntarily parted with it's hide.

All that aside, I have met a man who had a pig valve in his heart. He was a delightful person and I am richer for having met him.

I have read of burn victims, with their suffering temporarily alleviated with pigskin.

So yes, testing on animals is warranted....but it does beg the question, how can you determine if it is in a "Humane" way? Can we peer into the maze and watch the rat stop and dig in his little ratty pocket for excedrin pm? or perhaps a wee little valium, as he is , like, super stressed and overwhelmed by running this maze as all the hallways look the same and he was up all night listening to that fool hamster in the wheel?

Things to ponder.

 

Good place to start is to ensure that the "Aminal Welfare Act" is enforced.

Original Post by amd_66:

Is testing on animals ever justified?

To what level is it justified?

Why is it never justified?

In your opinion Smile

No. As a supporter of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine I know it's not necessary as so very many alternatives exist. Science has given the medical world more realistic models and machines and other ways to test things, not to mention the human bodies and organs donated to medical science for that purpose.

The PCRM's website explains it all better than I ever could, but my short answer is no. It's not necessary and therefore is just needlessly cruel.

Do you know until fairly recently they were drowning dogs to see if CPR works?

Some of these tests are horrendously stupid, outtdated and just wrong.

 

Original Post by carmenxox:

I like the quote, "Why test on animals when there are pedophiles in prison??"

Personally I think a rat has more rights than someone who has raped his daughter, or killed his family with a hatchet.

IMO

I could not agree more.

Why can't we test drugs and things on criminals who are guilty with absolute certainty?

Let them serve humanity in some valuable way since they clearly had no inteniton of doing so while free.

 

Original Post by _adrienne_:

If you take prescription medication, you are taking something that has been tested on animals.  This does not mean that there is necessarily animal cruelty involved.  It just means that the first trial of a drug is administered to a rat before it is administered to a human. 

I completely support animal rights and am a vegetarian.  But realistically, we ALL benefit from things that have been tested on animals, whether we realize it or not.  So it would be hypocritical to have a blanket statement of that I do not support animal testing.  I do not support animal testing that is performed in a cruel manner, but some degree of (hopefully humane) animal testing is necessary for drug development. 

Well said.

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