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Trayvon Martin


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As a friend said: "If you aren't informed about Trayvon Martin, please get informed. If you are informed, please get angry."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/us/justice- department-opens-inquiry-in-killing-of-trayvo n-martin.html?hp

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I was reading about this over the last few days. 

Zimmerman (the shooter) needs to be behind bars, law or no law.  There was no cause at all for what he did.  The 911 dispatcher even told him not to follow Trayvon.

Senseless and sickening!

 

 

agreed.  i'm not a big fan of the prison industrial complex, but i'm even less of a fan of institutionalized racism, stereotyping, and senseless murder.

the more i read about this, the more angry i get.

Tragic and senseless.

and while i certainly believe that Zimmerman needs to be behind bars, i also strongly believe that we need to do everything we can to make sure that something like this never happens again.  Trayvon Martin is, unfortunately, dead, but there are millions of other young men (and women) who are still at risk for having the same thing happen to them.

Absolutely!

I stand by my belief that the law that is currently protecing Zimmerman needs to go.  I read one article on this case that said since that law was enacted in 2010, I think it was, "justifiable" homicides have tripled.  

I'm all for self protection to a point. However, Trayvon wasn't on anyone's property, in anyone's home, threatening no one. 

ETA:  And Zimmerman needs to be locked up because to me, he *is* a threat to society.  He's hiding behind the law to cover up his racial motivation in killing this young man, IMHO.

 

 

 

 

I do feel angry about that murder, but at the same time, I'm trying to manage the level of stress in my life and one of the things I don't allow myself to do much of is get all worked up about things I have no control over.

So, if there's something I can do to help, I will do it. 

Otherwise, I can't dwell on it too much. It wouldn't be conducive to my long term best interest.

 

 

Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

I do feel angry about that murder, but at the same time, I'm trying to manage the level of stress in my life and one of the things I don't allow myself to do much of is get all worked up about things I have no control over.

agreed. 

I do, however, think there are two easy things that can be done:

1) Sign the petition.  I'm not a big fan of petitions as agents of change, but I also think that showing solidarity is important.
http://www.change.org/petitions/prosecute-the -killer-of-our-son-17-year-old-trayvon-martin

2) Share this post on Facebook, etc. The first step to battling institutionalized racism is acknowledging its existence.  It's much easier to think we live in a post-race society, but we don't.
http://globalgrind.com/node/828497#ixzz1pbIts pgk ;

From all I've seen this is a tragic case of Zimmerman having a chip on his shoulder, racist tendencies and delusions of being some sort of Lone Ranger out to serve the downtrodden. He was basically his own Self Governing Neighborhood Watch.

He needs to be brought to justice. The case needs to be taken over by Federal Authorities (on what grounds I have no idea) as the local authorities have already been proven incompetent.

Having said that; thus far the only "judging" has been done by the public and the basis of the judging has been media coverage. Things are seldom as they seem.  

OK, I signed the petition.

And I don't do facebook, but I sent the info to a friend of mine who is like, a facebook queen or something. She'll be all over this.

I can't imagine how heartbroken his parents must be...

Apparently the Justice Department is looking into it.

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Having said that; thus far the only "judging" has been done by the public and the basis of the judging has been media coverage. Things are seldom as they seem.  

Very true.

Thus far, there is one witness that supposedly said the back of Zimmerman's shirt was wet, as if he'd been on the ground, and he had a bloody nose or some such.

Ok, so the kid punched you in the face 'cause you were following him and he was freaked out.  That means you shoot him? 

I'm trying desperately to not jump before knowing further facts on this one, but thus far, I'm coming up with the same conclustion every time.

If the kid really was unarmed, as all reports have stated, then this was in no way self defense.

Original Post by barbarjinx:

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Having said that; thus far the only "judging" has been done by the public and the basis of the judging has been media coverage. Things are seldom as they seem.  

Very true.

Thus far, there is one witness that supposedly said the back of Zimmerman's shirt was wet, as if he'd been on the ground, and he had a bloody nose or some such.

Ok, so the kid punched you in the face 'cause you were following him and he was freaked out.  That means you shoot him? 

I'm trying desperately to not jump before knowing further facts on this one, but thus far, I'm coming up with the same conclustion every time.

If the kid really was unarmed, as all reports have stated, then this was in no way self defense.

i found the 911 calls to be quite interesting.  you can listen to them in the NYT article in the original post.

Original Post by aasil:

Original Post by barbarjinx:

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Having said that; thus far the only "judging" has been done by the public and the basis of the judging has been media coverage. Things are seldom as they seem.  

Very true.

Thus far, there is one witness that supposedly said the back of Zimmerman's shirt was wet, as if he'd been on the ground, and he had a bloody nose or some such.

Ok, so the kid punched you in the face 'cause you were following him and he was freaked out.  That means you shoot him? 

I'm trying desperately to not jump before knowing further facts on this one, but thus far, I'm coming up with the same conclustion every time.

If the kid really was unarmed, as all reports have stated, then this was in no way self defense.

i found the 911 calls to be quite interesting.  you can listen to them in the NYT article in the original post.

Please don't misconstrue what I said as being in defense of Zimmerman. I just like to let things shake out.

The names Richard Jewell and Tawana Brawley come immediately to mind. Both of these were largely media created accusations that were ultmately proven to be false.

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:
Please don't misconstrue what I said as being in defense of Zimmerman. I just like to let things shake out.

The names Richard Jewell and Tawana Brawley come immediately to mind. Both of these were largely media created accusations that were ultmately proven to be false.

i didn't.  

and i'm glad the justice department has getting involved so that things hopefully have a chance to shake out.

We had a shooting in our area, in which a bus driver shot a guy at a playground in front of his kid. There weren't even any blows thrown and the bus driver was found to have acted in self defense under this law. I suspect Justice, the FBI and the Grand Jury will not find much to indict, whether Zimmerman was racially motivated or not. :/

I do agree that the law is unnecessarily broad. Most self-defense laws in other states protect a person only on his or her own property, where there is no assumption that the victim should be able to run away.

Original Post by kathygator:

We had a shooting in our area, in which a bus driver shot a guy at a playground in front of his kid. There weren't even any blows thrown and the bus driver was found to have acted in self defense under this law. I suspect Justice, the FBI and the Grand Jury will not find much to indict, whether Zimmerman was racially motivated or not. :/

I do agree that the law is unnecessarily broad. Most self-defense laws in other states protect a person only on his or her own property, where there is no assumption that the victim should be able to run away.

interesting.  to be honest, i don't really understand state self-defense laws...or really think they are necessary.  but then again, i'm from a place where the majority of the people who strongly feel the need for self-defense have no qualms carrying a gun(s) illegally (and when they use them, they usually shoot each other and most people tragically don't care either).  and most other people don't feel the need for such self-defense...

Original Post by kathygator:

We had a shooting in our area, in which a bus driver shot a guy at a playground in front of his kid. There weren't even any blows thrown and the bus driver was found to have acted in self defense under this law. I suspect Justice, the FBI and the Grand Jury will not find much to indict, whether Zimmerman was racially motivated or not. :/

I do agree that the law is unnecessarily broad. Most self-defense laws in other states protect a person only on his or her own property, where there is no assumption that the victim should be able to run away.

Yikes, Im not familiar with the law you refer to. Can you point me somewhere? Anything that makes this "acceptable" is just wrong.

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Original Post by aasil:

Original Post by barbarjinx:

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Having said that; thus far the only "judging" has been done by the public and the basis of the judging has been media coverage. Things are seldom as they seem.  

Very true.

Thus far, there is one witness that supposedly said the back of Zimmerman's shirt was wet, as if he'd been on the ground, and he had a bloody nose or some such.

Ok, so the kid punched you in the face 'cause you were following him and he was freaked out.  That means you shoot him? 

I'm trying desperately to not jump before knowing further facts on this one, but thus far, I'm coming up with the same conclustion every time.

If the kid really was unarmed, as all reports have stated, then this was in no way self defense.

i found the 911 calls to be quite interesting.  you can listen to them in the NYT article in the original post.

Please don't misconstrue what I said as being in defense of Zimmerman. I just like to let things shake out.

The names Richard Jewell and Tawana Brawley come immediately to mind. Both of these were largely media created accusations that were ultmately proven to be false.

I knew what you were getting at, Kev. 

And I remember the maelstrom both of those cases created. Talk about a media feeding frenzy!

The media did the same thing with Chandra Levy and Gary Condit. Probably ruined that man's career (not that I have any idea if he was a good congressman or not, but still...)

It's the Stand Your Ground law in Florida that does not require a person who feels threatened to 'run away'. It basically allows people who legally carry, to open fire in defense of themselves and/or others. The incidents of mass shootings come to mind in which a lone gunman opens fire at a McDonalds or an office building for instance, but these are rare enough, IMO, that no legislation needed to be written to protect potential defenders.

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