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Last week, Mr. Chen, a blind human rights lawyer, fled house arrest in eastern China last week, making a daring late-night escape by eluding dozens of guards and sought refuge at the U.S. Embassy. 

For those of you who are not familiar with him, he's a self taught lawyer who organized a class action lawsuit that exposed forced abortions and sterilizations that officials in his community were performing in order to comply with China's one-child policy.

Naturally, China wasn't thrilled with this, so he was arrested on false charges and has been on house arrest along with the rest of his family.  They have been subjected to numerous beatings and have been terrorized by guards ever since. 

Well, now China is upset that the U.S. accepted Mr. Chen and they believe that U.S. citizens (missionaries and aid workers) smuggled him to the embassy. 

They may be correct on this assumtion, but they are demanding a public apology.  Should the U.S. Apologize?

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Don't see why the US should apologize for the actions of private individuals in any case, and especially not in this case - but realpolitik may wind up with a conciliatory diplomatic note being issued anyway.

The US sent him back instead.

Officially it was "his decision".  I don't suppose that it had anything to do with the fact that his family was still in China...

It still disgusts me that the USA is so gung-ho about maintaing relations with a repressive regime like China, but then I realize that money trumps human rights every time.

It was a pretty difficult situation.  I don't think it's fair to say that the US ignored human rights in this case.  If the man took asylum in the US, then China would probably take it out on his family and friends; reports claim that this was already happening, and Chen would be concerned about it.  It's plausible that he chose to stay in China for their benefit.  

Chen and his family is all set for life though not likely to be the kind of life they would prefer.

OP: The answer is not no but HELL NO.

The mutual dependence we've created with each othr makes this a moot point. Apologize or not has no impact on our relationship with China.

I don't expect China to halt shipment of lead tainted toys, nor do I expect Americans to stop buying them at Walmart.

The US does not need to apologize, IMO, but I do understand why China feels the need to demand one.

Original Post by knowan:

The US sent him back instead.

Officially it was "his decision".  I don't suppose that it had anything to do with the fact that his family was still in China...

It still disgusts me that the USA is so gung-ho about maintaing relations with a repressive regime like China, but then I realize that money trumps human rights every time.

Couldn't agree more.  Mr Chen has told the media that China has threatened to kill his wife if he leaves the country and seeks asylum.  So, today he according to the U.S. and China press releases he "left of his own free will."  What a bunch of crap. 

It's frustrating that money does trump human rights in this case.  We owe so much money to China thanks to our amazingly stupid borrowing practices.  Because of this, China has massive leverage against us and the results are seen here. 

 

Even if we didn't owe a penny to China, China would have threatened this man's family and he probably would have gone back to prevent harm to his family.

Original Post by catwalker:

Even if we didn't owe a penny to China, China would have threatened this man's family and he probably would have gone back to prevent harm to his family.


True.  However, the U.S. government would be much more active in helping this guy if that were the case.  As things stand right now, our government literally cannot afford to piss off China. 

China knows it.  And, it sucks.

I don't believe the US should ever apologize for anything.

Once we apologize to China for some dumb carp, then we gotta apologize to Indians and Blacks and Mexico and Canada and everybody else.  There will be a line of countries all the way around the UN headquarters asking for apologies.'

China...you're evil...go to hell...deal with it.

Original Post by crazineko:

Last week, Mr. Chen, a blind human rights lawyer, fled house arrest in eastern China last week, making a daring late-night escape by eluding dozens of guards and sought refuge at the U.S. Embassy. 

For those of you who are not familiar with him, he's a self taught lawyer who organized a class action lawsuit that exposed forced abortions and sterilizations that officials in his community were performing in order to comply with China's one-child policy.

Naturally, China wasn't thrilled with this, so he was arrested on false charges and has been on house arrest along with the rest of his family.  They have been subjected to numerous beatings and have been terrorized by guards ever since. 

Well, now China is upset that the U.S. accepted Mr. Chen and they believe that U.S. citizens (missionaries and aid workers) smuggled him to the embassy. 

They may be correct on this assumtion, but they are demanding a public apology.  Should the U.S. Apologize?


Hell, no.

When we've done something truly correct and for no reason other than to help someone (no resources, money, weapons, lands gained, etc)

We should cling to that, and be proud.

It happens so rarely!

 

Original Post by caloricat:

I don't believe the US should ever apologize for anything.

Once we apologize to China for some dumb carp, then we gotta apologize to Indians and Blacks and Mexico and Canada and everybody else.  There will be a line of countries all the way around the UN headquarters asking for apologies.'

China...you're evil...go to hell...deal with it.

They are! They make pet treats that killed our dogs, and baby formula that killed babies.

I think they're trying to take over the world by making shoddy products.

 

Original Post by caloricat:

I don't believe the US should ever apologize for anything.

Once we apologize to China for some dumb carp, then we gotta apologize to Indians and Blacks and Mexico and Canada and everybody else.  There will be a line of countries all the way around the UN headquarters asking for apologies.'

China...you're evil...go to hell...deal with it.

Yeah, but that was some pretty serious carp.

Original Post by crazineko:

Original Post by catwalker:

Even if we didn't owe a penny to China, China would have threatened this man's family and he probably would have gone back to prevent harm to his family.


True.  However, the U.S. government would be much more active in helping this guy if that were the case.  As things stand right now, our government literally cannot afford to piss off China. 

China knows it.  And, it sucks.

Well yeah...I think we need them as an ally even if they suck, because they make a better friend than an enemy. Some say they'd drop us in a heartbeat to join North Korea if it happened, others think they'd remain an ally against them with us.

Who knows?

 

Original Post by caloricat:

Once we apologize to China for some dumb carp,

Nobody should ever apologize for the stupidity of Cyprinidae

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Yeah, but that was some pretty serious carp.

Sorry...but CC and it's lurkers have trouble with bowel related words and topics...so I gotta make it more zoology/aquatic based.

It appears that retribution has begun.

Original Post by caloricat:

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Yeah, but that was some pretty serious carp.

Sorry...but CC and it's lurkers have trouble with bowel related words and topics...so I gotta make it more zoology/aquatic based.

Crap, we can't say crap? What kind of crap is that?

Original Post by kevinatthebrook:

Crap, we can't say crap? What kind of crap is that?

Ohhhhwww...now you went and done it.  I imagine you sitting with your laptop...in a broom closet...sayin that...and it just....it makes me so upset...I can barely hold back the tears...I'm shaking right now...I think my heart is beating faster...I may have had a mini stroke just now...that was terrible.

How dare you sir!?  How dare you!

If only there were strong enough words, I'd write a strongly worded letter to the moderation team.  I mean, sick...just sick.

No, never, nope, crap no.

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