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Any Non Soy Vegans?


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A few months before becoming vegan, I gave up soy because of the high estrogen content and possible thyroid complications . After doing my own research, I found that it is alright if I limit my consumption and only eat non-GMO, organic soy products.  I don't miss meat products, so I don't eat too many meat substitutes (although soy chorizo is awesome), and I definitely won't eat it at restaurants because it is likely to not be organic, and because of the high sodium content.

Any comments, questions, suggestions, agreements, etc?  I'd love to hear what others think about soy.  Are there any other vegans who don't eat soy products?

I had a hard time thinking that organic soy could be bad for you since it is a plant source.  Any plant source could be genetically altered and be horrible for you (high fructose corn syrup, partially hydrogenated oils, etc), and with our USDA lack of organic guidelines (that was my mini-rant! haha)

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Hi nautywave -- I am a non-soy ex-vegan. I thought I was being super-healthy when I went vegan about 7 years ago and ate a very soy-intensive diet including tofu, soymilk, and soymeats at every meal. I was never so sick in my life. I was chronically coughing and congested, my hair fell out, and my skin was a mess including cystic acne all over my body. Took me years to figure out the soy-health connection and now I don't touch it at all if I can avoid it. I haven't had the flu or a cold in over two years and my skin and hair have improved dramatically. I am also eating meat again b/c being a non-soy vegan was too hard...and I missed bacon :)

But I am sick to death of hearing so many articles and supposed "health experts" touting the benefits of soy when it is so harmful to many of us in a variety of ways. And you're right, it does affect the thyroid..mine went haywire too.

So keep spreading the word...I am with you 100%!

Well leapling72, like I said, I do eat soy occasionally, but I make sure it is organic.  I just think people should be careful about everything they eat. 

I see a lot of people writing on here that they eat a whole food vegan diet, which should mean that they don't eat soy products, right?  Tofu isn't a whole food, right?  This is a diet that I am trying to transition to slowly.  I'd like to hear their input as well.  I've only been vegan for about 3 months, so I want to take it a bit slower since I went straight from pesce-lacto-ovotarian to vegan, which was a huge change, but I haven't regretted it in the slightest since. 

 I was originally turned onto vegan by the Skinny Bitch book, but they recommend a lot of soy products. 

I also wouldn't put it past the dairy organization to put these studies out there, either.  So, there's that side of it, as well.  People have been eating soy for a loooong time.  But perhaps that was organic?  Again, I don't know, I think a lot more research should be done.

im not a vegan, but i try to not really on soy that much. ill have almond milk instead of soy milk, get actual veggie burgers with just veggies in them...things like that. i want to try seitan because it is made from wheat gluten instead of soy, but it wasnt at shaw's last time i went. ill have to try whole foods

ive heard that in moderation, soy is ok, but it should only be like the whole bean (tofu, tempeh..), not just some of the protein isolate they put in cereals/bars etc.....

any thoughts?

 i also thought the skinny bitch book's diet was kind of wrong when they had some type of soy product at EVERY meal almost EVERY day. not too healthy

I LOVE soy. I also don't eat much faux meat because I am allergic to gluten. However, I eat soy every day at every meal. I think that any health complications will depend on the person- I for one feel fantastic and have no problem with soy.
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Soy BAD! (ala Dr. Frankenstein's monster)

I too am a non soy vegan.  Same stuff, super sick, lost hair, turned into a raging hormonal demon woman.  I hate the faux meat (gee, why am I a vegan anyway?  That's right, meat is gross!) and I don't care for all the new fangled faux milk (soy in milk's clothing) products.  Sorry to seem snarkey but no, I don't want your 8 ounces of soy estrogen yogurt, thank you.

This choice has made things actually ALOT easier for me.  While I miss my Glenny's I don't miss the out of control emotions and gut wrenching nausea that accompanied my soy consumption.

Also, I'm trying to conceive and I don't want my child to be altered.  Isn't that a part of vegan thinking?  Purity?  Wow, let's eat some genetically altered food stuff!  No thank you.

PS:  I too felt nothing off soy for a few years of steady consumption - then it was like overnight.  Was that fun!  Ask my husband, he'll tell ya'.

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Yah denne, I agree that it's the soy protein isolate products that I should be staying away from mostly. 

 Funny enough, I was at a health food store, and I saw that the new issue of a vegetarian magazine has right on the cover "The Great Soy Debate".  I didn't have enough time to look at it, so I'll have to stop by Border's and get it.  I hope it's not one of those articles where they list the argument and no facts, so that it helps no one make an educated decision.

rgliptak I'm glad that you were able to get off the soy and find out that was the root of your problem.  I can't imagine losing my hair.  I went to my sister's stylist and told her I am vegan, and she was saying that vegan people's hair get really unhealthy.  I wonder if that's because of the soy?  I haven't noticed any difference with mine.

I still think for now, until I read more about it, that organic whole soy is ok.  I definitely won't eat the isolated soy protein, etc stuff.  I don't see much difference between that and the partially hydrogenated oils.   Keep it natural!

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nautywave - yeah, I totally agree.  I dabbled in the non-GMO soy at the tail end but I don't want to take any chances while trying to get pregnant.

THE HAIR THING - Yes!  My hair looks like witches hair now, not from processing or genetics or anything, it's from the diet.  I get flack though, some say "it's because you don't drink milk" (ICK!) others say the hormones in soy.  I can't do dairy, I won't so it's vitamins for me.  Since I started taking this super prenatal vitamin my hair has actually taken on some semblance of human hair! :)

Whatever you do/eat, listen to your body.  Sometimes we can't hear it until it's screaming at us.

rgliptak you just reminded me of a huge gripe that I have since becoming vegan.  So sorry for this rant I'm about to go on in my next topic.... go see it if you're interested.  I'll name it Veg*n Gripe!!

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Yah denne, I agree that it's the soy protein isolate products that I should be staying away from mostly.

Funny enough, I was at a health food store, and I saw that the new issue of a vegetarian magazine has right on the cover "The Great Soy Debate". I didn't have enough time to look at it, so I'll have to stop by Border's and get it. I hope it's not one of those articles where they list the argument and no facts, so that it helps no one make an educated decision.

rgliptak I'm glad that you were able to get off the soy and find out that was the root of your problem. I can't imagine losing my hair. I went to my sister's stylist and told her I am vegan, and she was saying that vegan people's hair get really unhealthy. I wonder if that's because of the soy? I haven't noticed any difference with mine.

I still think for now, until I read more about it, that organic whole soy is ok. I definitely won't eat the isolated soy protein, etc stuff. I don't see much difference between that and the partially hydrogenated oils. Keep it natural!

I just read that article yesterday!! It's pretty interesting, but like most research isn't definite yet, the writers aren't able to give you a straightforward answer. They do lean towards soy = bad. They mention its negative effects to the environment, the possible health effects, and how the recent view of soy as a miraculous food was rushed and without really good proof.

They also mention that while Asian cultures benefit from their soy consumption, they do not consume nearly as much as "the average" vegetarian. They do not have soy products at every meal, like soymilk, soy cheese, soy faux meats, soy protein shake, soy protein bar, soy yogurt, soy ice cream, and on, and on. Also, soy can be found in tons of "normal" foods, so even people who don't care anything about soy are consuming it in cereal, vegetable oil, chocolate, etc.

I really liked one of their lines "Diets replete with processed soy foods are still diets filled with processed foods; just because it's soy doesn't mean it's good for you."

In summary, they advice to consume tofu, tempeh, edamame, and other traditional soy foods in moderation, but not soy powders, isolates, and hydrolyzed soy. By moderation they meant about 15-25 grams of soy protein per day.

When I first gave up dairy, I used to buy almond milk. Now that I am responsible for feeding two people who drink a lot of milk, I started to buy soy milk. I really wish that almond milk wasn't so expensive =(

 

Edited to add: The hair thing may also be from the shampoos no? =P I know that as I look for the perfect vegan shampoo, I have gone through some that left my hair looking like it had barely been washed. Boo! 

The best vegan shampoo that I use is Pureology. It is pretty expensive, but it's awesome. Just not a good one if you're also avoiding parabens and other chemicals. I haven't found a win/win shampoo yet that's both vegan and organic or natural.

That's awesome that you just read that article.  You saved me 6 bucks!  It's in the VegNews magazine if anyone wants to check it out.  Thanks so much lunamagae for the info on it.

 btw, have you tried rice milk or oat milk?  Those aren't too expensive.  If not, is there a reason you'd stick with almond or soy milk?

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The best vegan shampoo that I use is Pureology. It is pretty expensive, but it's awesome. Just not a good one if you're also avoiding parabens and other chemicals. I haven't found a win/win shampoo yet that's both vegan and organic or natural.

That's awesome that you just read that article. You saved me 6 bucks! It's in the VegNews magazine if anyone wants to check it out. Thanks so much lunamagae for the info on it.

btw, have you tried rice milk or oat milk? Those aren't too expensive. If not, is there a reason you'd stick with almond or soy milk?

 I think that's my problem with finding the perfect shampoo, as I am looking for something vegan and natural/organic. =\ Like my guy says... there is a reason why they put those chemicals in there. ah!

About the milk... when I first gave up dairy I tried soymilk and I hated it. I tried rice milk, and I didn't like it either. Then I tried Blue Diamond's almond milk and I liked it. I tried another brand of almond milk and didn't really care for it so I thought of Blue Diamond as the answer. Unfortunately, it's expensive for a household where a gallon of milk does not last two days.

My main reason to stick with soymilk is the price. I shop at Wegmans and they have housebrand organic soymilk so it's a good deal.

I'm going to give rice milk another try because as time passed and I "forgot" how cow's milk tasted like I was able to start enjoying soymilk, so perhaps I'll like rice milk. Hopefully the price different won't be too much.

Hi! Glad you posted!

I had (and still have) a threat to become a hypo thyroid-wise and desperately searched for anything that can help/not worsen my situation. I came across the goitrogenic foods & soy and how they affect thyroid gland. I was SURPRISED to say the least about the information. I gave up soy completely. I am vegetarian (lacto-ovo) and dont have any difficulties with getting all the nutrients without this "miracle" (i would say "mysterious") food. I hope there will be more research done and more proof found on both good and bad sides of soy.

I love soy products, but they don't love me.  I get bloated and it hurts, so it never got to the point of losing my hair....

...speaking of which... someone on this thread said that her sister's hair dresser said vegan hair is really weak??

Has she seen women from East India!?!?!?!?  Many of them are vegan Hindus,  and have the most amazing silky shiney thick long long long black hair you could imagine.  They eat alot of beans and lentils in addition to rice and all sorts of fruits and vegetables.

 

Yah JenPower, I said that about the "weak" vegan hair.  I never thought about that, the women who are vegan and have glorious hair in other parts of the world.  That's funny.  I am looking forward to going to her again so that I can show her otherwise.  I think that vegans need to be careful with how they eat, and I'm sure there are a lot in america who do not get all the nutrients that they need.
I definitely think that soy is consumed too much by veg*ns. Soy can be a part of a healthy diet (organic or not); however, to be healthy it shouldn't be consumed more than or less than than any other legumes. That is to say that the vast majority of your diet should be leafy greens and other non-starchy veggies. Follow the way of eating in the book Eat to Live and you'll find all your health and hair and skin problems will go away.

I had NO idea about the problems associated with soy. I stopped having dairy since the beginning of the year. I don't have much, but I have soy milk in cereal and tea at least once a day. How will it effect me? Slightly worried now since I thought I was doing myself a favor by dropping dairy! Now I have even worse problems!

 

ps. I do only buy organic Alpro Soya if that helps my situation??

Hey Kat, using organic is totally better than using genetically modified frankein-food.  I know some people who use soy often and dont seem to have problems but it's only been about 2 years or so for them.  I also know people who've been using soy products for over 20 years and they've developed some mega problems.

I 'm not a doctor or scientist but I have eyes and know what I see.  We're meant to eat a variety of things and it seems once we start relying on limited selections  we develop intolerances i.e wheat. 

Another thing is it's best to eat foods as nature offers them, in their natural form because in their whole form they usually offer more nutrition, fiber and enzymes for digestion.

 

I eat soy at most meals also and I feel just fine. I have been eating soy products for the past five and a half years. I rarely eat tofu. I eat a lot of morningstar farms and boca burgers. I recently switched to being vegan from being a pesce-lacto "vegetarian" ( I ate mostly plant foods, but the occasional seafood).

Hi Folks

I am not a vegan, would like to be but I don't like soy, and well not sure how healthy I would be without milk and eggs, I would welcome advice on not eating eggs and milk products, I do eat quorn, is this good or bad, opinions please. ps, my kids all had milk intolerance and the last child had soy allergy also

Hey...

I do not eat any soy either.  I have heard too many bad things.  I put a blog post up last week  about tofu vs tempeh, and also a post about dangers of soy.  

 

If you would like to try tempeh, it is fermented soy beans (the way the japanese eat soy). Any fermented soy product are ok (ex. miso broth and tempeh).  Stay away from Americanized soy products like soy milk and tofu.  

Legumes and beans of course are a great source of protein.  Also, you can try 100% Organic Hemp protein powder.  Hemp contains all essential amino acids.  I wrote a blog about this too the other day.  Hemp tastes great if you make a smoothie with 1/2 cup frozen berries, 3/4 cup orange juice and 2 scoops hemp powder.  Freeze it.  It comes out like sorbet with 15 grams of protein per cup!!  Now that's a dessert!!!!!  

 

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