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Is whey protein powder appropriate to eat on a vegetarian diet?


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I have been trying to adopt a vegetarian lifestyle for a few reasons.  I am not quite there yet.  However, I have been exercising, both cardio & weight lifting, and have been drinking protein and mixing it with oatmeal.  What are the health drawbacks to ingesting whey protein.  I'd appreciate any feedback 

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I can't really speak to any health drawbacks of eating whey protein, however, I will tell you that I consume whey protein at least a couple times a month and I've been a (lacto-ovo) vegetarian for almost 10 years.  If you are trying to adopt a vegan or strict vegetarian diet, then the fact that whey is dairy should be enough for you to avoid it.

I think the only drawback is that its not the protein in a completely natural form. Drinking a glass of milk is more natural, and a lot of people feel that protein powders cause bloat and water retention, and that it is better to get your protein intake naturally from whole foods.

As a vegetarian though, I know protein is hard for you to come by as it is.

Soy Protein is a whole protein and heart healthy. Whey protein is highly processed and the processing methods are questionable. Protein made from soy is more of a simple form. I make my own soy milk by soaking soy beans, cooking them, blending them them in a blender and straining the solids from the milk. I use the solids in soups and my oatmeal. Yummy. There is nothing better than hot fresh soy milk. I have been known to add chocolate to it.
Original Post by wtfrail:

I think the only drawback is that its not the protein in a completely natural form. Drinking a glass of milk is more natural, and a lot of people feel that protein powders cause bloat and water retention, and that it is better to get your protein intake naturally from whole foods.

As a vegetarian though, I know protein is hard for you to come by as it is.

Please provide where you have gotten this tid bit of information from. I have never heard this before.

There is also casein powder, the form of protein found in cheese, which takes longer to digest and keeps your blood sugar stable for 3 hours or so. 

Original Post by wtfrail:

I think the only drawback is that its not the protein in a completely natural form. Drinking a glass of milk is more natural, and a lot of people feel that protein powders cause bloat and water retention, and that it is better to get your protein intake naturally from whole foods.

As a vegetarian though, I know protein is hard for you to come by as it is.

Embarassed I have to take exception to your statement that "drinking a glass of milk is more natural"... drinking milk, in my opinion, is only natural for a nursing calf Cry

I have not read the China study myself, but I have read enough to believe that casein (dairy protein) is not the best thing for you.

There are so many other affordable, vegan protein powder alternatives such as Brown rice, hemp, pea and/or soy, depending on where you stand on the whole soy debate. Many of these alternatives pack 90% protein, giving you at least 25 grams per 32 gram scoop. If you are trying to eliminate dairy, remember to check for hidden egg and or dairy, even on these types of products!

Best of luck : )

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You can try Hemp Protein Power. It is considered a 'complete' protein and is vegetarian. It just doesn't dissolve as well as soy or whey.

 

http://www.wholesoystory.com/faqs/

There is certainly a wealth of information saying that soy is horrible unless its fermented soy. 

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/ar chive/2010/09/18/soy-can-damage-your-health.a spx

http://www.realmilk.com/documents/RebuttaltoF DARawMilkArticle-MAR2012.pdf

http://hartkeisonline.com/raw-milk/pediatrici an-validates-raw-milk-as-powerful-nutritional -therapy/

Of course the positives to milk do seem that they may only apply to organic raw grass-fed milk....or at least many of those beneficial effects.

http://raw-milk-facts.com/

http://rawfoodsos.com/the-china-study/

I've heard quite a bit of critique that tries to blast Denise Minger because she isn't qualified and such....but several of her talks she mentions that several of the actual researchers said the conclusions were wrong.

http://jackkruse.com/brain-gut-6-epi-paleo-rx /

 

Thanks for the soy reference, raiken : ) As a new vegan, I am still trying to figure out whether or not to include soy Wink

It is ridiculous to think that vegetarians don't get enough protein. I am vegan and almost always go over my protein recommendation for the day, just from grains, beans and vegetables. Broccoli has twice the amount of protein per calorie as a sirloin steak! http://www.dachia.com/Broccoli_vs_Steak.html this is a good article for information on how it's extremely easy to get protein from a complete plant-based diet, like I do. Minus the cholesterol and high amounts of saturated fat that are associated only with animal proteins. You cannot ingest any cholesterol on a vegan diet, it's impossible. There are also some studies that show high animal protein diets affecting the kidney's because the process to digest them causes an increase in nitrogen; http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20030317/high- protein-diets-can-hurt-kidneys 

 

It's great to be able to eat only whole foods and know I am getting all of my essential amino-acids from plants and natural sources without harming myself or the environment.

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Thanks for the soy reference, raiken : ) As a new vegan, I am still trying to figure out whether or not to include soy 

I don't believe in a Vegan diet personally or Vegetarian for long term health.  I've read too much counter evidence.  If something I post helps you to be healthier whether you stay Vegan or not I'm glad.

http://experiencelife.com/article/paleo-vs-ve gan/

I thought this was an interesting article.  They have both sides of the debate here.  Several prominent vegans and paleo people as well.  The optimal diet without a doubt for absolutely everyone is whole foods that's for sure.  If there is something that makes you not want to eat animal foods your still better off with a whole foods vegan diet than the processed food most Americans eat a ton of.

Personally I like a whole foods diet involving meat as I believe meat is perfectly healthy if its not all processed.  I actually eat mostly conventionally raised meat at the moment because of cost issues.  If I could afford it I would eat pastured beef, chicken, pork and wild caught fish.  Fermented/raw/cooked vegetables organic, and home made bone broth.

At least as far as I know its not within my budget to do all this so I have to settle for conventionally raised meat.  I don't like how the animals are treated and I don't like how they are fed but I can't afford to just eat wild caught fish and organic meat.

Original Post by alexstabile:

It is ridiculous to think that vegetarians don't get enough protein. I am vegan and almost always go over my protein recommendation for the day, just from grains, beans and vegetables. Broccoli has twice the amount of protein per calorie as a sirloin steak! http://www.dachia.com/Broccoli_vs_Steak.html this is a good article for information on how it's extremely easy to get protein from a complete plant-based diet, like I do. Minus the cholesterol and high amounts of saturated fat that are associated only with animal proteins. You cannot ingest any cholesterol on a vegan diet, it's impossible. There are also some studies that show high animal protein diets affecting the kidney's because the process to digest them causes an increase in nitrogen; http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20030317/high- protein-diets-can-hurt-kidneys 

 

It's great to be able to eat only whole foods and know I am getting all of my essential amino-acids from plants and natural sources without harming myself or the environment.

Since you brought up nutrient comparisons.

http://freetheanimal.com/2011/04/nutrition-de nsity-challenge-fruit-vs-beef-liver.html

Organ meats from animals in general from what I've read seem to be very high in vitamins and minerals.

As far as cholesterol goes.

http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/how-did-we -come-to-believe-saturated-fat-and-cholestero l-are-bad-for-us

http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/the-straig ht-dope-on-cholesterol-part-i

Maybe everyone has already read all this and decided its false....or something but just in case there it is. 

 

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Original Post by valunderwood:

Thanks for the soy reference, raiken : ) As a new vegan, I am still trying to figure out whether or not to include soy 

I don't believe in a Vegan diet personally or Vegetarian for long term health.  I've read too much counter evidence.  If something I post helps you to be healthier whether you stay Vegan or not I'm glad.

http://experiencelife.com/article/paleo-vs-ve gan/

I thought this was an interesting article.  They have both sides of the debate here.  Several prominent vegans and paleo people as well.  The optimal diet without a doubt for absolutely everyone is whole foods that's for sure.  If there is something that makes you not want to eat animal foods your still better off with a whole foods vegan diet than the processed food most Americans eat a ton of.

Personally I like a whole foods diet involving meat as I believe meat is perfectly healthy if its not all processed.  I actually eat mostly conventionally raised meat at the moment because of cost issues.  If I could afford it I would eat pastured beef, chicken, pork and wild caught fish.  Fermented/raw/cooked vegetables organic, and home made bone broth.

At least as far as I know its not within my budget to do all this so I have to settle for conventionally raised meat.  I don't like how the animals are treated and I don't like how they are fed but I can't afford to just eat wild caught fish and organic meat.

Smile I believe there is something for everyone. My reasons for choosing veganism are primarily motivated by animal rights, world hunger & environment concerns, as opposed to for health benefits. I also agree with the extra cost of organic, grass-fed animal protein, and the hazards of processed foods... but maybe if people ate less meat, they could afford better quality meat, should they feel the desire to remain omnivorous... just a thoughtUndecided. In addition, quality vegan protein costs the same, if not less than conventionally raised animal products. I respect your believes and choices, and wanted to thank you again for all the great reading material!

Thank you.  In my experience posting things that don't necessarily fall in line with Vegetarian/Vegan thinking I'm used to angry posts filled with ...lets just say less than nice words.  I'm glad to have found someone civil and courteous even if they may not agree with everything I link to or post.

As for animal rights.  Even organic methods do kill animals.  I just don't believe that animals are equal to us.  I certainly am not for torturing animals just for fun or anything.  I do not think there is anything wrong with killing them for eating though.

I do like the smaller scale model though in terms of how the animals are treated before they die.  They aren't packed into buildings living in their own manure and such.  I think this is a major difference from feedlots. 

Interesting article on the sustainability of pasture farms.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/opinion/the -myth-of-sustainable-meat.html?_r=0

This is a direct rebuttal by a farm mentioned in the article.

http://grist.org/sustainable-farming/farmer-r esponds-to-the-new-york-times-re-sustainable- meat/

I've read more on this but...right now for some reason westonaprice.org where I've read quite a few interesting things is having problems....seems like it has quite a bit lately.  I've never gotten a virus from there but Firefox is giving me Virus warnings and the sites down.  ...maybe someone is attacking the site..no clue but its annoying I really like that site tons of interesting and informative articles.

One specific thing mentioned in the second rebuttal article by Joel Salatin is the fact that government regulations won't allow slaughtering of cows on the farm.  Government regulation is possible a major reason for the extra expense of pastured animals.

I don't like using any kind of powdered gunk, but if you still do dairy, try non-fat greek yogurt, it has 23 grams of protein per cup, you can do so many things with it, add it to smoothie, eat plain, use as dressing instead of mayo, mix in honey, you get the picture.  Try it!

Alex Stability

 

I agree that vegetables have protein, however, comparing them to steak using calories is very misleading.

According to the nutrition data on this site, you would have to eat 72 ounces of broccoli to get about 2 ounces of protein, with 720 calories.  You would only have to eat 5.8 ounces of sirloin steak to get that same 2 ounces of protein, with 305 calories.

By calorie, yes - there is about 1/2 the protein/calorie in broccoli compared to steak.  Most veggies are in the same class.  However, I'd have to be eating a huge bowl of broccoli several times a day to equal that same 5.8 ounce steak.

If you don't want the meat, however, there are many options that actually do have more protein/ounce (a much better comparison in my mind) than steak.  You have TVP (textured vegetable protein), soy protein, legumes, peanuts (other nuts as well, but I don't know the numbers on them).

I find that many vegetarians forget that most whey is produced by adding animal ingredients to separate. Many cheeses also contain animal rennet!

I have been a vegan for quite a while and get all the protein that is needed. Do not listen to people who tell you being a vegetarian is hard. You eat dairy and cheeses which give you plenty of protein choices. You shouldn't need to take extra if you eat a balanced meal.

 

Here's a comment for you that you are not going to like. What makes you think animals aren't as good as us? And how do you think that meat is treated before its EVENTUALLY killed. How would you like to be a male chick when soon after you are born, since there is no use for you, we throw you in a plastic bag with all your little brothers, and then throw you, alive, into a grinder. You have just been born and we take you away from your mom and put you in a box that you barely fit in and make you stay like that so we can keep your muscles soft for when we "HUMANELY" kill you so that some jerk can have veal for dinner. Or perhaps, you won't understand this one but women will, we impregnate you continually so that we can get your milk and we take away the calves from you to put in the veal boxes, just so people have a glass of milk from a totally different species than you. Or perhaps we take chickens and rip off their beaks and stick them in crowded cages, living in their own feces, so you can have eggs for breakfast.  You are right when you say animals are not equal to us - we are lower than them! Animals kill to eat, humans torture and then kill at their discretion. And do you really believe that animals are killed "humanely" - what does that mean? Do you ask the animals - do you think they consider it humane to be killed? Maybe you ought to check into how these animals are "humanely" killed. Which form of that "humane" death would you choose, if you were even given the choice? A mallet in the head then hanging you upside down, slitting your throat and letting you bleed out? While I applaud the fact that people are trying to get into a more plant based diet, this helps protect more animals but using dairy and eggs to me is just as bad. I started as a vegetarian and then wondered why I was still eating and helping to torture the other animals. I couldn't come up with a sane answer so I became a vegan to eliminate the harm to all sentient beings.

If I believed it were wrong for animals to die for food than nature is wrong...I don't believe that.  Animals are killed in nature for food.  Its part of life regardless of if humans exist.

Without the predator prey relationship there are negatives to the world.  Things do not exist in a vacuum.  They work together to make things live.  A plant takes nourishment from the sun and the soil and along with water and anything else I might be missing converts all those resources into growth.  A herbivore comes along and eats those plants converting them back into the soil.  Carnivores or omnivores eat the herbivores and the bodies end up back in the soil.  The circle of life whether you believe its random or made by some god or whatever exists and won't stop just because you choose not to eat animals.

There is nothing evil about it.  I don't believe in torturing animals before killing them for food or unnecessarily hurting them while taking their milk and such.

I do think its preferable to have smaller scale operations where you don't pump the animals full of who knows what and treat them like trash...sitting in their own fecal matter in a feedlot is quite a bit different.

Regardless with humans or without it is natural for animals to die and to return to the earth.  Some of those die of natural causes and some are killed by other animals.  Why you feel the need to make it immoral for humans to do whats natural....its completely ridiculous.  If we are truly equal to or even less than animals than why should we have a higher standard to not kill for food.

Its not natural for us otherwise we would have the gut and teeth of an herbivore.  We have the gut and teeth of an omnivore and optimal nutrition is omnivorous for every human on this planet.

I'm not about to say that the optimal diet for all is 85% fat 12% protein and 5% carbohydrates as is working for Jimmy Moore

http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/jimmy-moor es-n1-experiments-nutritional-ketosis-day-1-3 0/14409

The %s may be different to a certain extent depending on your ancestry but all of us are designed to be omnivores.  We don't have the hind gut of the ape that processes fiber into fat.  We don't have the four chamber stomach of the ruminant that processes what they eat...which they than regurgitate and eat again...that also ends up making their energy intake largely fat based.

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/should-all-a nimals-eat-a-high-fat-low-carb-diet.html  ;

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