Hello all, i went to see a dietician yesterday, and I was relieved to hear that her advice was in-line with what people say here:
I am to eat 2900-3000 Kcals a day (trying to focus on number of portions of food groups rather than obsessive counting) by adding to my usual 2500-2700 kcal intake
1 glass fruit juice
1 glass of whole milk
1 extra yoghurt or handful of nuts
oil on veggies or spread on bread
I have 5 days to get up to speed with this regime, have stocked up on whole goats milk, juice and some mixed nuts.
She wants me to have gaine 5-10 kilos in two months....which his terrifying as I only managed to gain 10 pounds in over a year, but there was not much negotiation gong on, if i want to get properly healthy, I need to get to a BMI of about 20 and stop procrastinaitng about it!
I guess its going to be pretty tough to up to 3000 psychologically and physically, and gaining that fast will be a strange feeling, but Im determined to stick to the plan as best I can.
MY goal is still initially to get to about 120 pounds (BMI 19.7) which is what she asked for as a minimum gain :S Im not entirely sure that my metabolism will allow this to happen but its an experiment!
She assured me that if i continue to eat 3000 cals my weight will plateau at a much healthier weight, and then I can think about letting the cals drop down a bit, and start working on intuitive eating rather than plans.
I also discovered that the BMI scale is meant to refer to clothed people, not naked, so the BMI I thought I had is a little bit higher, plus apparently my height is 5'5.5 not 5'6....so that bumped up the BMI again! but regardless she made it clear that I was still underweight and could improve my health and move away from obsessive eating :D and Im enthusiastic to see what happens now!
start weight 110 pounds (clothed) BMI = 18 (previously thought it was 17.6)
wish me luck
EEEEK 111.4 pounds
so thats a total of + 2 pounds....oh my! err + 1.2 in 3 days?? WTF?!
more positive note for the fir time in a long as i can remember i didnt think i look horrendous yesterday..of course i ruined that by picking at my face int he evening but ho-hum
this post gives me soo much inspiration i have been trying to recover since before christmas and only put on about 14lbs. it was good at christmas coz i ate what i want going well over 3000 a day but then after all the hype of christmas i went back to my old ways not as back most prob 1600-1800
my stats are i am 23 yr old male at 6ft 3 inch and i currently weigh about 140ish i havnt weighed myself for a week
. but i keep saying to myself i am different and will just go massiv if i eat 3000+ plus the fear is gain all my weight back i used to be about 280lbs i then went on a diet and allot this took control when i got to 80lbs and went down to 126lbs
im just worried my metabolism is screwed. but im glad you have a dietician that seems to know what they are talking about i am still wait for he NHS to pull there finger out of their a@@ and refer me but at the mo in going alone but im getting alot of support off my family and through work tho.
just wish i ould just hit 3000 constantly owell it the metabolism and the massive fear of saturated fats but i have read and been told many times they are actually good for you esp me at the mo
chris well done for gaining those 14 pounds, keep on going, you can do it! you can ask your GP to refer you to see a dietician.i would urge you to do this if you haven't already. the process takes ages so be prepared for a few months of going it alone....even if you are at a healthy weight bu the time the referral comes through you still need help learning to maintain a healthy range of weight without being obsessive and thats really tough without guidance.
as for screwing you metabolism, personally i found i could maintain 105-109 pounds on anything between 1900 and 2600 cals...and im a 5'5.5 29-year-old woman! i just felt rubbish and tired on the lower end...unless you have a thyroid problem you should certainly be eating a great deal more than 1800 cals a day as you well know!
As you have already been overweight i understand your fears but as soon as you get to a healthier weight, so that would be about 160 to 180 pounds ish you can stop pushing in so many cals and things should balance.
getting in 3000 consistently is a bloody hard work, so far ive been getting in between 2800 and 3100 each day but im bored with feeling stuffed and not particularly best pleased with my more rotund tummy but i know it will redistribute eventually!!
saturated fats are tricky and im also a bit afeared of them, i tend to go for olive oil rather than corn oil, or olive spread rather than butter etc but its important to have enough fats to get fat soluble vitamins as well as the fat itself. I used to be afraid of full fat dairy products but now they are my friend cos without full fat cheese and milk Id REALLY struggle to get to my target cals - the easiest way to add healthy fats are probably nuts, avocado and olive oil or similar....if you've not ready for cream and butter then adding a handful of nuts could be beneficial for you :)
thanks i would be happyat about 180ish as when i get there i can get back on withmy active job plus i have a large stature. the thing is i have a mars bar with my lunch i make sure i do as it calorie dence and has the fats i need i just carnt stomach full milk and hate!!! the taste of avocado. im 23yrs old and just want to enjoy life again go out for meals and get takeaays with my mates without worring owell i will get there soon. im waiting to be referred
So when I look at my body I'm convinced all the weight is accumulating on my belly.. I feel shapeless yet my measurements suggest the fat is going to my bum and thighs...anyone got any observations of how your new weight first goes on and how it ends up?
edit: no-one got anything to say?
i rang dietician today as drinking a glass of milk (cow or goat) in the evening is giving me abdominal cramps, bloating in the evening and an upset tummy every morning when i wake up - she advised to try lactose-free milk, have yoghurt at a different time of day to avoid a massive dairy overload before bed, and if those dont work then try rice milk. anyone tried that? <incidently i cannot tolerate soya milk, i tried to switch from dairy to soya milk, yoghurt etc for a few weeks but ended up having to take medication for over amonth to treat the resultant rebellion which it caused in my digestive system!>
she also agreed that as i was honest about the fact that if i get to 120 pounds before our appointment im blatently going to try and stop gaining any more, that it would then be ok to take out the fruit juice and milk, but carry on with the other stuff...she was banging on about protein again..but i dunno i have say quorn or cheese in sandwich for lunch and i always have protein in the evening, i guess nuts also count as protein but i cant see anywhere else in the day to add more...we agreed that regardless of how crappy i feel i dont go below 2500 cals for the time being and i SHOULD be thinking more ofgroups and nots cals anyway...plus got told off for weighing myself too often, i know......i just....ok there is no excuse..... :(
all quiet here i see....well for those who are my 'friends' on here or wish to be i have uploaded some current pics in my horse riding get-up, hopefully you guys dont think i look horrific...I cant show my face or make the photos public becasue of the nature of my profession but you get the gist of how my body is shaping up ....i am not going to post any photos of when i was smaller, so dont ask, just saying. :P
this week despite 2800-3000 cals i didnt gain, i went back to 111.4 unclothed pre-breakfast which totally shocked me i was expecting some 114 or 115 as i FEEL gigantic....isn't it strange what your head can tell you in spite of the physical evidence?
mid feb weight unclothed pre-breakfast = 109.4
current weight unclothed pre-breakfast = 111.4
mid-feb weight clothed+ breakfast+ drinks= 110
todays weight + breakfast+ drinks+clothing = 112.8,
i only weighed this as well becasue i suspected i was a bit dehydrated this morning after a sweaty night... i was correct.
as this is comparable to the weight at the dietician and means in total i have gained approx 2.8 pounds in 3.5 weeks. thats it though no more weighing until next Saturday.
A friend stayed over the other night and told me that she thought i looked the same as i did when we lived together some 6-7 years ago...but now i have at least 7-9 more pounds. she also questioned why i had to get to 55kilos, wasn't that massively high? as she at 52 kilos and 5'4 wanted to lose weight....i think i am starting to get through to her that she looks amazingly gorgeous and certainly does not need to lose weight she looks perfect and I WANT to be as healthy and vibrant looking that she is and that when she lost weight due to stress she looked WORSE not better.... she said maybe i could just get to 50 kilos, and i said...er.....im already nearly 51 love....hehe funnily enough at 55 kilos my BMI will be almost identical to hers :) and i can only hope i have such a positive attitude towards food that she has too!!
body image and perception is a funny old game huh? any comments guys? anything???
:( looking and feeling physically stronger and less obsessive seems to be making me paranoid and depressed, not to mention lonely. I've isolated myself for so long that now most people can't he bothered...
Anyways I'm struggling big time to get the extra cals in, I haven't gone below 2500 but I just dont feel like eating....curses be to this most unfortunate stress response.
In other news for UK veggie cc people m&s now make relating free Percy pigs....I'd know..despite lack of appetite I think o ate too many...
I had a question.It seems like I am starting to feel full with 1 1/2 cups oatmeal or rice as opposed to what I felt before, like I was still hungry. Do you know what this could be from. Should I stop eating when I feel full? I find that I am not getting enough calories if I don't eat enough but I feel full. They say listen to your body and I am at a normal BMI but still need to gain because if I don't it can go down really quickly and then I start getiing "scanty" menses. Do have any opinion on this.
Yes, Pickle, thank you. I will do that. I need to gain maybe 2 to three more pounds to be safe, that's where the dietician wants me to be if i decide not to go up to the ultimate weight which is a little over the low range of a normal weight. But I will keep up with it.Thanks.
Hey sparklypickle... I rarely post here anymore, if at all, but I do read and I wanted to assure you that people are at least reading. I've been wanting to post though, however I feel weird seeing as I don't really post anymore lol. Anyways... but I just wanted to let you know that I've been reading right from the beginning and am finding it all really inspiring. I don't think you expect attention or encouragement- it's normal to want it really, especially at this stage. I know I'm hardly close to this point recovery but it does scare me. Don't give up, I'm pleased to see you haven't gone below 2500, keep that up! Just think- is having a bit more attention when you aren't well (physically and emotionally) worth it in the end? Think of all you could manage right now because you have that physical strength, and isn't it a relief not to be so obsessive? It's amazing seeing the process though, the fact that you are hard-core evidence that the body is an amazing thing, that takes SO much to gain and that even when you do- it's hardly noticeable!! Anyways this probably doesn't help at all, I just wanted to hopefully help you feel a little less alone! xx How are you going this week?
Hey snuffles, thank you so much for replying.
I find it hard to consider myself or anything i write as inspiring, but then again, im almost a different person now im healthier so SOMETHING must have changed!
yeah the attention from being sick thing / having something wrong with me is a deep one...i seem to believe that if there is nothing wrong with me then no-one will pay me any attention.....sad i know....of course the danger and depression which come bundled up in ED behaviors is NOT worth the acute attention it brings, no matter how hard this is for me, i am not going back there.
well this week, on Sunday i went pony riding for a couple of hours and was TOTALLY knackered, the following day after work we went to a gig in London and got to bed at about 1am, then Tuesday i had to be on a train to go see my grandma. months gone by I don't think i could physically have managed that in quick succession. Having said that i had the anticipated onslaught of how WELL I was looking from mum and gran...errrrr....hmmm....i guess but do they need to use the word my mum also reserves for fat people when she thinks shes not being offensive??? needless to say, what with mother having no food in for me to eat I could only just get to 2500 with the help of all the spare snacks in my bag...so this week there have been a few 2500 days....not ideal i know...and in combination with what feels like a period from hell (two weeks after the last one...GRRRR) I suspect i wont have gained a terrific amount this week, if any.
on the plus side, having lactose free yoghurt and milk means i now don't get the horrible bloated painful abdomen, or morning upset stomach and cramps..woohoo!! shame about that bowl of ice cream my grandma gave me...i didn't even think of that til a few hours later....
It really DOES help me to know at least that people are reading (no number of reads on posts on cc makes it impossible to gauge without replies!) and cos i feel so hopelessly lonely right now it means a lot to have even one reply.
How are YOU doing snuffles?
Well, even though it's hard to consider, trust me and others- you are an inspiration :)
That is sad, but it is something I can relate to... unfortunately. But, people do care. They always will. Yes it's hard not getting all that attention and concern and worry all the time but... I think I've found my friends prefer to have their attention on me that is focused on my uni life or my hobbies or elsewhere, if that makes sense? That as much as they have shown attention in the past when I've been sick- they prefer the 'real' me! :) But, I'm glad to hear you recognise it's not worth it in the end- yes it's hard, but thats what does make this recovery worth it :) (I hope it makes sense, I feel like deleting this paragraph because I know in my mind what i mean to say and I hope you can understand lol and it doesn't come out wrong lol).
It sounds like you have had a big week- it sounds good though! Pity about the lack of food (but good on you having snacks to fall back on!) and the comments oh and the periods- gah! but it does sound like it was a good week. Well done for doing what you can to keep up your intake :) Pony riding sounds bliss :) I've never ridden a horse or pony before. Would love to though!!
That's great that the lactose free yogurt and milk means no more painful stomachs!! I'm really loving my yogurt lately so I can't imagine what it would be like not having to have any or to experience awful pains from them.
I'm sorry you feel so lonely! <3 There are always people around though. Feel to message anytime you wanna talk- even if it's not ed related!! :)
Thanks so much for asking how I am doing- I won't hijack your thread but I am doing alright thank you :) x I hope you have a lovely weekend.
Scales... suck lol.
You can totally do this :)