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if its all about calories in and calories out, then why...


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everyone on these forums keeps saying that loosing weight is "just about calories in and calories out" but there are some missing links to that chain. 

First of all, whats the difference between white and wheat?  white bread has the same calories as wheat bread, so why then, would we choose wheat?

Multigrain tortillas have MORE calories then fat free tortillas?  Which one are we supposed to use?

A large baked potato has LESS calories then a cup of edamame soy beans, which one is better?

It cant all be about calories. There has to be more to the logic then calories.  Somebody who knows about nutrition, help me figure out why my scale is not moving despite the fact that I average -800 calories a day.  

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None of your questions have anything to do with calories in - calories out. I don't get what you don't understand about calories being the one and only thing that will make you gain/lose weight.

 

If you are eating 800 calories a day you probably won't lose much weight. You are severely undereating.

no, im not eating 800 a day, im averaging an 800 a day DEFICIT.  are you saying there is no good reason to eat wheat bread instead of white bread?  or a potato instead of edamame beans?  If calories are the only thing worth counting, then these things would not make a difference.

You're talking about two different things.

First there is weight loss which is more or less calories in versus calories out.

Second is nutrition. It is possible to lose weight on a diet of poor nutrition but it's probably better to lose weight on a diet that is filled with nutritious items.

^^^^^^^^^ exactly.

If you are only looking at it from a weight-loss perspective, then it doesn't matter what you eat. You could probably eat liquid HFCS all day and be the same weight as if you ate EQUAL number of calories from only spinach.

Nutrition/health are a completely different thing.

Original Post by armandounc:

^^^^^^^^^ exactly.

If you are only looking at it from a weight-loss perspective, then it doesn't matter what you eat. You could probably eat liquid HFCS all day and be the same weight as if you ate EQUAL number of calories from only spinach.

Nutrition/health are a completely different thing.

Agree with your point.

Also, in case anyone is interested... HFCS makes you gain weight more than regular sugar. Isn't that gross?

Wait a minute you just contradicted yourself liseey02.  The article says that artificial sweeteners make you gain MORE weight, but they have LESS calories. so it cant be all about calories in/out. 

artificial sweeteners cause people to gain weight because it increases hunger, so people eat more. the sweeteners themselves don't cause the weight gain.

My post said

"First there is weight loss which is more or less calories in versus calories out."

I stick to that point. There are situations where it is not - such as HFCS and also when people eat too little they may stop losing weight. That is why I said more or less and did not say equals as so many do.

Original Post by armandounc:

^^^^^^^^^ exactly.

If you are only looking at it from a weight-loss perspective, then it doesn't matter what you eat. You could probably eat liquid HFCS all day and be the same weight as if you ate EQUAL number of calories from only spinach.

Nutrition/health are a completely different thing.

So you are saying that I could eat 13 medium baked potatoes a day to satisfy my 2000 calories and that would be just as effective as if i had a balanced diet with greens, proteins, etc?

for the last time... for weight loss/maintenance/gain  - YES

Original Post by smashley23:

artificial sweeteners cause people to gain weight because it increases hunger, so people eat more. the sweeteners themselves don't cause the weight gain.


Thats not what the article says "Animals with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained 48 percent more weight than those eating a normal diet."  They arent gaining because they eat more, they are gaining because their body is metabolizing it more.

Original Post by kelrantymus:

Technically, they don't make a difference. I don't know where it is now, but someone will probably be along and post the link to the professor who ate nothing but twinkies, but stayed within his calorie limit, and lost weight.

I choose to eat wheat because I like all of my calories to do something, you know? Since I am on a limited calorie intake, I want to make sure that sandwich gets me some good nutrients since I can't eat junk and then try to make up for it nutritionally later without going over.

Am I low on carbs or do I have a big cardio day/race coming up? I will take the potato with a little olive oil and parmesan cheese. It really isn't nearly as complicated as people are making it.

As to why you're not losing, I'd need to know more like your height, age, gender, weight, activity level and current calorie intake level.

Im female, 33 years old, 165lbs and 5'10'' I zumba for 75 minutes every day and I average a 800 calorie deficit and im not loosing weight. Im not putting on muscle because im not lifting weights so that cant account for anything.  Any insight?

Original Post by armandounc:

for the last time... for weight loss/maintenance/gain  - YES

So the science behind all the balancing of proteins, carbs and fats is all just bogus?

Original Post by smashley23:

artificial sweeteners cause people to gain weight because it increases hunger, so people eat more. the sweeteners themselves don't cause the weight gain.

I believe that is part of it but the scientists are also claiming their might be a difference in metabolism as well:

"The rats in the Princeton study became obese by drinking high-fructose corn syrup, but not by drinking sucrose. The critical differences in appetite, metabolism and gene expression that underlie this phenomenon are yet to be discovered, but may relate to the fact that excess fructose is being metabolized to produce fat, while glucose is largely being processed for energy or stored as a carbohydrate, called glycogen, in the liver and muscles."

 

 

 

Original Post by noeoliver:

Original Post by smashley23:

artificial sweeteners cause people to gain weight because it increases hunger, so people eat more. the sweeteners themselves don't cause the weight gain.


Thats not what the article says "Animals with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained 48 percent more weight than those eating a normal diet."  They arent gaining because they eat more, they are gaining because their body is metabolizing it more.

Realize that the amount of calories ingested was NOT held constant in this study.

Original Post by liseey02:

Original Post by smashley23:

artificial sweeteners cause people to gain weight because it increases hunger, so people eat more. the sweeteners themselves don't cause the weight gain.

I believe that is part of it but the scientists are also claiming their might be a difference in metabolism as well:

"The rats in the Princeton study became obese by drinking high-fructose corn syrup, but not by drinking sucrose. The critical differences in appetite, metabolism and gene expression that underlie this phenomenon are yet to be discovered, but may relate to the fact that excess fructose is being metabolized to produce fat, while glucose is largely being processed for energy or stored as a carbohydrate, called glycogen, in the liver and muscles."

 

 

 

exactly!  So the doctors are saying there is MORE to calories then calories!  Some calories arent metabolized the same way.  Isnt that what its saying?  Is that the same for white and wheat?  And potatoes and vegetables? 

Original Post by noeoliver:

Original Post by armandounc:

for the last time... for weight loss/maintenance/gain  - YES

So the science behind all the balancing of proteins, carbs and fats is all just bogus?

You're not getting this are you?  Weight loss is about cals in vs. cals. out.  Nutrition is about what you eat.  Feeling full and satisfied longer is about what you eat and when you eat.  It all counts.

The articles about artificial sweeteners and HFCS are political propaganda and should be ignored. 

Not necessarily - like smashley said one of the contributing factors is the change in APPETITE.

this debate is pointless. 

A Princeton University research team, including (from left) undergraduate Elyse Powell, psychology professor Bart Hoebel, visiting research associate Nicole Avena and graduate student Miriam Bocarsly, has demonstrated that rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup -- a sweetener found in many popular sodas -- gain significantly more weight than those with access to water sweetened with table sugar, even when they consume the same number of calories.  

According to your website, the calories were held the same.

Armandounc, just because you cant answer the question in an intelligent manner, doesnt mean its pointless.

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