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"curvy" fit jeans - a form of vanity sizing?


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Here is something I've been wondering about. You know how at places like Old Navy, Express and the Gap (places that already vanity size quite a bit, IMO) they have a type of jeans that is labeled "curvy"? Well it seems like those types of jeans (I've tried them on before) are really just a couple sizes larger fitting when they're labeled a smaller size i.e., a "curvy" 4 being more like a 6 or an 8. Granted I haven't tried any for a few years, so this might have changed. It just seems to me that if you are curvy (and I don't mean fat!) you should just buy the next larger size. However, maybe there really is a difference as far as room in the hips more so than the waist or whatever. What's everyone's experience with this, and do you agree or disagree?

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Some women have wider hips and some women have straight hips. That's all it means.

My experience is that there's a definite shape difference (i.e. when I got curvy 12s that fit, the normal 12s and 14s were big enough, but didn't fit - too big in the waist). I'm a pretty pronounced hourglass, though.

Oh, OK. I'm definitely not an hourglass. According to my measurements I'm more of a pear but I gain like an apple and when I tried those jeans on I was more of an apple...I guess that's why. So it seems that they must be smaller in the waist, and larger in the hips. That makes sense.

The proportions are different. If you have the 'hourglass' 10 inches difference  between your waist and your hips, straight-cut jeans just aren't going to fit right - they'll either bag around your stomach if they fit your hips nicely, or put your rear end into a tourniquet if the waist is a nice fit! But if you're more straight up and down, and you only have a 5-inch difference, then really curvy jeans will sag and bag around your hips for the opposite reason. If you go to Lane Bryant they have three different fits for straight, 'hourglass' and 'apple' shaped women, and they're all entirely different. You might be able to shoehorn yourself into the wrong cut, but it won't fit as well as the 'right' one for your body shape.

I have a "bubble butt"...so the jeans that fit everywhere else, are too big in waist...the curvy jeans seem to cover that gap where your behind could hang out in the lower cut jeans. Not everyone is shaped like a boy...or straight up and down. I don't think it is vanity sizing, I think it is respecting the differences in everyone's shapes to give us choices.

Even in the late 70's and early 80's, when I was a teenage girl with NO weight problems whatsoever, I had a butt.  A curvy, curvy butt.  I could NOT find a pair of pants that would fit - jeans were made the same shape for men as they were for women.  My mom used to commiserate with me, because THAT was something that was new to her.

In the 50's and 60's, women's clothing may have been sized smaller than it is today (I'm not sure, but I hear so much about "vanity sizing," I guess I'll just take that as a given), but the clothes had darts and pleats and generally were made to accommodate women having curves - top and bottom.  Junior sizes were made for girls who "hadn't filled out yet."

Then butts and hips went out of fashion.  You had to go for a size larger than you actually were to accommodate.  Baggy, baggy waists in the 70's and 80's... so many of my friends and I commented on this.  Then came the 90's and 2000's - Low Risers - which didn't come up anywhere even CLOSE to the waist sort of helped (even though it was never my favorite style), but then you had the adorable "muffin top" action going on everywhere because basically, low risers hugged your hips, and if you had any excess fat on your hips, in order for the pants to stay up, you had to squeeze that area.

The nice thing about pants that have a waistband at your waist that nips in is women's hips will naturally keep them up without anything having to be supertight.  But that ALSO means that if you don't have styles that accommodate for women (fat or thin) with hourglass figures, once again the pants won't fit.  And now, praise Xenu, butts and hips are back in fashion, so this is considered a desirable trait (the hourglass figure) once again, and fashion designers are gracious enough to actually provide clothing to fit women built like women of days of yore.  Who have always been around, but were shunned for a couple of decades there.

at lane bryant i am like a size 5.   in regular non-lane bryant jeans i am a size 20.  the first time i went into lane bryant i literally had no idea what to do.  there sizes are so weird and stupid. 

edit:  i think they need to make apple shaped jeans (not apple bottom).  all my pants fit in the legs but are too small in the belly area.  i wear a size 20, but my legs need a size 16.

I'd love to see jeans made for the apple-shaped woman.  I've never had a pair of jeans that wasn't baggy in the thighs.  They're getting better as I lose weight, but there's still several inches of fabric that really don't need to be there.

thats what i meant susiecue.  anything that fits the belly is baggy in the legs, anything fitting the legs is too tight to button.  it sucks.  i look like an idiot either way. lol.

 

Over the past few decades the sizes are getting larger.  When I was 20 and only weighed between 100 to 105 pounds max, I wore a size small.  Now at 32, I weight 119 pounds and wear a size small.  And there are new sizes, x-small and x-large.  That is an example of vanity sizing.

However, I can only speak for the GAP here though...  the "curvy" fit pants and jeans at the GAP are not a new vanity sizing.  They have more room in the hips and thighs, to fit women who have a more hourglass shape or pear shape.  That is all.

A lot of women that are hourglass shape (like me) or pear shaped have a really hard time finding pants that fit properly because our waists are much smaller then our hips.  Most stores only carter to women who are built like stick figures.  What I mean by this is, women who have a waist  and hips that are similar in size.  In the GAP pants, the waists are the same size (curvy fit vs. regular fit), it is the hip and tight area that is slightly larger.

You assume that if someone who has a small waist and larger hips should just buy that larger size pants to fit.  You are mistaken.  What often hapens then...  is that the pants then fit in the hips and thighs but the waist is 1 to 3 inches too big (and have a large gap in the back of the waist band where you can stick a fist inbtween your body and the pants).  That means, they DO NOT fit.  Stores are making these pants because women have different body shapes, something that manufactures of clothing lines ignored before. 

Why should women how have small waist have to buy pants that are too small and binding in the hips and/or thighs or buy ones too big in the waist and then have to spend $20 to $30 to have then professionally altered to make the waist a lot smaller?

Now, after reading this...  Do you still think that "curvy" fit pants are "VANITY" sizing???

I would love people to respond to this.

 

 

 

 

 

i have two pair of seven for all makind jeans. One I bought when i was in highschool size 28....4 years ago and the ones i bought last weekend size 25...i held them up to eachother and they are exactly the same. I weight the same.

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These jeans sound good... Do they also accommodate for heavier thighs? I have a small waist and bigger hips, thighs and calves.

(Biggest surprise when I lost weight was that my overall body shape didn't change and I still don't have lovely slender legs... My thighs are a lot more muscular now though so it's not all that bad.)

Don't think these are available in the UK yet either?

Original Post by healthydiet101:

 

Now, after reading this...  Do you still think that "curvy" fit pants are "VANITY" sizing???

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's been explained to me at length. I understand now. Honest mistake.

Original Post by jessicasbc:

at lane bryant i am like a size 5.   in regular non-lane bryant jeans i am a size 20.  the first time i went into lane bryant i literally had no idea what to do.  there sizes are so weird and stupid. 

edit:  i think they need to make apple shaped jeans (not apple bottom).  all my pants fit in the legs but are too small in the belly area.  i wear a size 20, but my legs need a size 16.

I totally agree!  Who are they trying to kid with their new sizing?  Pffft.  I hate their jeans...they don't fit no matter what the label says.  I'm 5'2" formerly 236 pounds, (now 216 and dropping) and still can't find a freaking pair of jeans that fits my stick legs and my flabby belly. =(

Original Post by moxiegrrl:

Original Post by jessicasbc:

at lane bryant i am like a size 5.   in regular non-lane bryant jeans i am a size 20.  the first time i went into lane bryant i literally had no idea what to do.  there sizes are so weird and stupid. 

edit:  i think they need to make apple shaped jeans (not apple bottom).  all my pants fit in the legs but are too small in the belly area.  i wear a size 20, but my legs need a size 16.

I totally agree!  Who are they trying to kid with their new sizing?  Pffft.  I hate their jeans...they don't fit no matter what the label says.  I'm 5'2" formerly 236 pounds, (now 216 and dropping) and still can't find a freaking pair of jeans that fits my stick legs and my flabby belly. =(

I guess they're trying to kid society that hourglasses/mesomorphs aren't disgusting shapes that should be ignored.  We all should be apples and all pants should be designed for women big in the middle with no ass and skinny legs.  How dare they have different sizing for different shapes?  Women with smaller waists than hips and thighs are just big fat freaks - and should be forced to wear clothing that's tight on the thighs and huge in the waist the way they have for the past few decades.  One size fits all!  Right?

Double post fail.

To all the apples on the board - get thee to Old Navy and buy the Sweetheart jeans. They are made for people like you and me with slim legs and thick waists. And they go up to size 20. They are a bit vanity-sized, I admit: I used to wear an 18 which is like a 20-22 anywhere else, and now I wear a 12 which is like a 14-16 anywhere else. But it's been so fantastic to be able to buy the same jeans throughout this journey, so good for the ego. Not to mention that you can transition seamlessly into regular sizes... :)

As for the hourglasses: I feel for you too. I must admit that it seems like women's clothes are made more for you than for me (especially the tops and dresses), but I guess based on this thread that you have your problems too. As you can see from a former poster's frustration, you will have some luck finding jeans at Lane Bryant because they are all made for pears there, and we apples find our waists sorely cinched while our butt floats in fabric. Therefore they would probably fit you hourglasses or pears quite nicely. I will stop envying your WHR and start seeing you as part of the sisterhood. ;)

Original Post by iitu82:

These jeans sound good... Do they also accommodate for heavier thighs? I have a small waist and bigger hips, thighs and calves.

(Biggest surprise when I lost weight was that my overall body shape didn't change and I still don't have lovely slender legs... My thighs are a lot more muscular now though so it's not all that bad.)

Don't think these are available in the UK yet either?

Yeah, my sadness as I lost weight was that I still don't have a waistline. I still go straight up-and-down, just am narrower overall. Sigh. Then again I remember that even when I was quite slim I didn't really have a waistline. I'm short-waisted and long-legged. Yes, I do have lovely slender legs (if I do say so myself) - I get compliments on them. But honestly they aren't the be all and end all, I still look sort of like an ice-cream cone with a thick dwarf middle perched on top of those legs. I would LOVE to have a small waist, or even a WHR of less than 0.95.

Original Post by iitu82:

These jeans sound good... Do they also accommodate for heavier thighs? I have a small waist and bigger hips, thighs and calves.

(Biggest surprise when I lost weight was that my overall body shape didn't change and I still don't have lovely slender legs... My thighs are a lot more muscular now though so it's not all that bad.)

Don't think these are available in the UK yet either?

 I don't know what all is available in the UK but if you guys get Silver jeans at all, try the Suki fit. Amazing for small waist with thick thighs and butt!

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