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Don't eat anything white???


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For all of you who have "cut everything white out of your diet" can you tell me exactly what you cut out?  I think it would be beneficial but I don't get it.  Like chicken is white, milk is white, etc.....  So confused!

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I've heard this before but I don't think it is very good advice.  There is a lot of good food that is white.

What I would take from it is that people mean don't eat white bread, or white carbs you should always have a complex carb - whole wheat etc...

 

Definitely,  not to take all white out of your diet way to many good things are white particularly milk, yogurt, cheeses etc...

bread,rice,pasta

This is much more a guideline for carbs.

Cut out white things there: white rice, white bread, potatoes, simple starches, etc.

 

Don't cut chicken or dairy things.... or cauliflower.... clearly not every single white food is bad!!!

I am a "cut out the whites" girl... although some vegetables are white and I keep them in... but here are the foods that are OUT of my life completely... (they are not all white, but the idea of getting rid of the whites really means the refined foods & sugars)

- Bread, Pasta, Rice, Cookies, Cakes, Cereal, Granola, Protein Bars/Energy Bars, Sugar, Wheat, Gluten, Soy, Flour, Smoothies

- Fruits & Dairy (every type) 

- Safflower oil, canola oil, particially hydrogenated oils, corn syrup, high fructose corn syrup

- Drinks with calories 

This "guideline" which is actually, unfortunately given out widely by MD's is so broad and convoluted that it really doesn't make any diet sense at this point. The white food rule stemmed from the theory that white sugar, white flour and other "low fiber" carbohydrate foods were easily broken down and absorbed into the blood stream, blah,blah,blah...Anyway to take the good from that blanket statement and to expand it to actualy make it resemble good nutrition advise, you need to take this from the other end.  If I sound frustrated on this one it's because I spend hrs and hrs every week explaining this exact same thing to my diabetic patients..

The general idea behind the whole "no white foods" thing is to cut out highly processed, low fiber, low nutritional value, empty calorie carbohydrates and replace them with whole fruits, veges and grains that will provide nutrients to your body in the most perfect way nature intended.

So, to break it down even further...when you choose a carbohydrate for source ask youself this question- Did it grow on a tree or a vine or in the ground? Does it still retain the food value it had when it was picked, meaning, for example is it an apple? (good) Is it apple juice? (not so good)  Is it 100% whole wheat bread? (good) Is it bread made with enriched wheat flour? (not so good)

Bottom line- when you think about what carbs you want to eat think 1. Is it a whole food? 2.  Does it have at least 2 grams of fiber per serving?  If after you have answered yes to both of these questions, the food is still white? Well, then, EAT IT!!!

Original Post by giasbash6260:

I am a "cut out the whites" girl... although some vegetables are white and I keep them in... but here are the foods that are OUT of my life completely... (they are not all white, but the idea of getting rid of the whites really means the refined foods & sugars)

- Bread, Pasta, Rice, Cookies, Cakes, Cereal, Granola, Protein Bars/Energy Bars, Sugar, Wheat, Gluten, Soy, Flour, Smoothies

- Fruits & Dairy (every type) 

- Safflower oil, canola oil, particially hydrogenated oils, corn syrup, high fructose corn syrup

- Drinks with calories 

You need fruit in your diet, and you need calcium. Carbohydrates are essential to live, and veggies are not enough carbs, no matter how much you eat.

You're taking that way too literally.  It's been a guideline for years, and not just in English speaking countries - Russians have a phrase called "the white death."  Basically, it's too much WHITE sugar, WHITE flour, WHITE creams and dairy in general, etc. etc. It's a reminder to stay away from overprocessed, refined things - to avoid WHITE foods.

But egg whites, for instance, aren't included.  Nor cauliflower.  Nor ice.  You can always find exceptions that prove the rule.

Actually potatoes are very good for you.  They have high levels of vitamin C, important minerals, some protein and good fiber content along with the carbs.  I don't consider them bad at all if eaten plain and in small amounts to control calories. 

I never cut a food out completely unless it's harmful.  We should all eat less refined starches and sugars, and no transfats or chemical food additives.   For the higher calorie foods, just control your portions. 

Original Post by gddrdld:

This "guideline" which is actually, unfortunately given out widely by MD's is so broad and convoluted that it really doesn't make any diet sense at this point. The white food rule stemmed from the theory that white sugar, white flour and other "low fiber" carbohydrate foods were easily broken down and absorbed into the blood stream, blah,blah,blah...Anyway to take the good from that blanket statement and to expand it to actualy make it resemble good nutrition advise, you need to take this from the other end.  If I sound frustrated on this one it's because I spend hrs and hrs every week explaining this exact same thing to my diabetic patients..

The general idea behind the whole "no white foods" thing is to cut out highly processed, low fiber, low nutritional value, empty calorie carbohydrates and replace them with whole fruits, veges and grains that will provide nutrients to your body in the most perfect way nature intended.

So, to break it down even further...when you choose a carbohydrate for source ask youself this question- Did it grow on a tree or a vine or in the ground? Does it still retain the food value it had when it was picked, meaning, for example is it an apple? (good) Is it apple juice? (not so good)  Is it 100% whole wheat bread? (good) Is it bread made with enriched wheat flour? (not so good)

Bottom line- when you think about what carbs you want to eat think 1. Is it a whole food? 2.  Does it have at least 2 grams of fiber per serving?  If after you have answered yes to both of these questions, the food is still white? Well, then, EAT IT!!!

Good guide, and this is what you tell your diabetic patients?  

Would this also be helpful for non-diabetics but have a family history of diabetes?  Thanks for putting it in plain language, it really helped me!!!

I am a cut out the white lady also.  For me it means cutting out flours, sugars, anything refined.  I keep poultry, fishes, and cauliflower. Replace white rice w/ brown...things like that.

Original Post by amberrr:

Carbohydrates are essential to live, and veggies are not enough carbs, no matter how much you eat.

 Then how did/do people survive in hunter-gatherer societies without agriculture to produce non-veggie carbs?

I don't know of any hunter-gatherer societies that have not also raised/collected grains and dug for root vegetables like potatoes, yams, taro, etc.

But of course people can survive on almost anything.  They just don't have particularly long life expectancies when theiir dietary needs aren't met.  There were plenty of primitive societies where 30 was considered old age, and survival to 40 rare.

Original Post by modifiedme:

I don't know of any hunter-gatherer societies that have not also raised/collected grains and dug for root vegetables like potatoes, yams, taro, etc.

But of course people can survive on almost anything.  They just don't have particularly long life expectancies when theiir dietary needs aren't met.  There were plenty of primitive societies where 30 was considered old age, and survival to 40 rare.

Nomadic hunter-gatherer societies don't raise crops because they're... nomadic.  I'm not sure what root vegetables have to do with anything because the poster I quoted said vegetables aren't enough.

So people evolved over millions of years to function best on a diet that they didn't eat during all that time they spend evolving? Maybe I should brush up on my high school biology, but I'm pretty sure that's not how evolution works... 

"However, because some hunter-gatherer societies obtained
most of their dietary energy from wild animal fat and protein
does not imply that this is the ideal diet for modern humans,
nor does it imply that modern humans have genetic adaptations
to such diets. It does, however, indicate that humans can thrive
on extreme diets as long as these diets contribute the full range
of essential nutrients. "


From a pretty interesting paper I found

www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/71/3/665.pdf

Agriculture is a bi-product of gathering grain.

I don't think your average Nomadic Hunter/Gatherer needed calorie Count to lose weight, or the gym to tone up and improve physical health. Their lifestyle is so far removed from how we are now. It's almost like saying "We were fine without helmets on bikes and seatbelts in cars, 50 years ago".

Another thing to add about our ancestors...they're life expectancy was only 35 or so.

I heart carbs.

Everyone here should read the book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes. He talks about the SCIENCE behind the evolutionary diet, carbs, both complex and simple, good fats, bad fats, protein and the like. It's a dense read and I'm sure some of you will disagree with it since we've been brainwashed to think low-fat/ high carb diets are good. His book states the contrary. But really, this man has done MASSIVE ammounts of research and you really can't argue with that.

This book changed my life, but it is NOT a diet book. Since changing my diet accordingly after eating his book, I've lost almost 20 lbs in 2 months and have never felt better. My digestion has improved, my skin glows, my allergies are almost non existent and I have the energy of a teenager. I should also say that while I do work out and keep active, it's been far less due to time constraints, but I see better results than when I was spending 2+ hours in the gym everyday.

* I just realized that it may sound like an ad. Its not. I double-dog dare you to read the book.

Original Post by katydid22:

Another thing to add about our ancestors...they're life expectancy was only 35 or so.

 

 Their life expectancy was low because they led a much harder life. Also, diseases were rampant and there was no such thing as medicine. And there's something to be said for the whole survival of the fittest thing. I mean really, how many of us would be dead by now if it weren't for modern medicine? A case of strep throat could kill you if it weren't for antibiotics...

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