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Fat People vs Skinny People...Eating Habits...My observations...


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About 2 months ago my friend (who's VERY skinny) visited me...He stayed for a month...And I think that now I know a secret how to be skinny...

First of all he didn't treat food as a reward or anything else...for him it was just food...that's it...Once I even put a plate full of candies and sweets and he ate only one small piece of chocolate!!

Second...He never ate when he wasn't hungry, basically what he ate was just breakfast, lunch and dinner...Ocassionally he had a chocolate bar or something and that's it...Also, for every meal he had anything he wanted but whenever his stomach was full he simply stopped eating...

Third of all I know that some people may say that he has a fast metabolism but...I just simply stopped believing in that...I mean I know that some people may say that 'OMG I ate a cheeseburger for lunch and dinner today and I just can't gain weight' but I'm just like 'OK 2 cheeseburgers are like 700 calories and I eat around this many calories for lunch and dinner as well and I want to lose weight'...Many of my skinny friends are doing this actually...They eat unhealthy stuff and say that they just cant gain weight...

 

On the other hand my cousin who's a bit overweight moved to my place 2 weeks ago and there was a big shock for me...She can eat whenever and whatever...I'm like once I ate breakfast a bit later that she did but even thought she wasnt hungry she still made herself a sandwich and ate it with me...

 

I used to be very skinny and I miss that but I gotta say that these 2 helped me a lot...

 

I know that these informations doesn't add nothing new to 'secrets of being skinny' but I felt that I have to share it...

 

And what  are your observations???

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Original Post by pat92xx:

About 2 months ago my friend (who's VERY skinny) visited me...He stayed for a month...And I think that now I know a secret how to be skinny...

First of all he didn't treat food as a reward or anything else...for him it was just food...that's it...Once I even put a plate full of candies and sweets and he ate only one small piece of chocolate!!

Second...He never ate when he wasn't hungry, basically what he ate was just breakfast, lunch and dinner...Ocassionally he had a chocolate bar or something and that's it...Also, for every meal he had anything he wanted but whenever his stomach was full he simply stopped eating...

Third of all I know that some people may say that he has a fast metabolism but...I just simply stopped believing in that...I mean I know that some people may say that 'OMG I ate a cheeseburger for lunch and dinner today and I just can't gain weight' but I'm just like 'OK 2 cheeseburgers are like 700 calories and I eat around this many calories for lunch and dinner as well and I want to lose weight'...Many of my skinny friends are doing this actually...They eat unhealthy stuff and say that they just cant gain weight...

 

On the other hand my cousin who's a bit overweight moved to my place 2 weeks ago and there was a big shock for me...She can eat whenever and whatever...I'm like once I ate breakfast a bit later that she did but even thought she wasnt hungry she still made herself a sandwich and ate it with me...

 

I used to be very skinny and I miss that but I gotta say that these 2 helped me a lot...

 

I know that these informations doesn't add nothing new to 'secrets of being skinny' but I felt that I have to share it...

 

And what  are your observations???

Your post made me think.  So you skinny friend only ate when he was hungry and stopped when he was full not stuffed..so I wonder what this means for calories?  We hear so much that you need a certain number of calories in order to be healthy, lose or maintain weight, and prevent your body from starving.  I'm sure your friend does not count calories.  It would be great to eat like him without having calories on the mind.  Maybe some skinny people eat a little somedays and more on other days and it just evens out in the end.

 

I know rite...Even my dietitian in UK told me that I shouldn't be counting calories cos it's just ridiculus...She asked me 'Why do you think that all of these celebrities and models are skinny' and I said 'Calories controlled diet' and she looked at me and said 'You need to stop believing in calories, they all eat healthy food, so how are u supposed to gain weight when u eat full of nutritions foods' and It really made me think as well... I've been on very low calorie diet before (800cals a day) and I lost a lot of weight and I didn't feel weak and my overall health was perfect...My skin and hair were in great condition...I didn't feel hungry and now when I eat a lot more...My hair started to falling out, my skin had gotten a lot worst...I just wish I was skinny again because the truth is that as long as you're skinny you're doesnt want to get fat so u care about what u eat...That's at least what I did..

I have to disagree with your dietitian - you can get quite fat eating nutritious food if you don't control portion size (which is just another way to  control calories). I'm living proof!

Celebrities and models use all kinds of unhealthy ways to stay skinny, including diet pills, "cleanses", starvation diets, cigarettes, and cocaine. In fact, there was just an article on the Calorie Count blog about Gwyneth Paltrow being diagnosed with osteopenia, likely as a resut of her extreme dieting behaviors.

By the way, we don't support VLCDs here. You may have felt great at the time, but were likely doing long term damage.

Original Post by pat92xx:
Original Post by pat92xx:  1: She said 'You need to stop believing in calories, they all eat healthy food, so how are u supposed to gain weight when u eat full of nutritious foods'

2: I've been on a very low calorie diet before (800cals a day) and I lost a lot of weight and I didn't feel weak and my overall health was perfect...My skin and hair were in great condition...I didn't feel hungry and now when I eat a lot more...My hair started to falling out, my skin had gotten a lot worse.

You had me ... right up until you said this ^

1: You can get overweight on anything, even healthy food, if you eat too much of it.

2: your hair etc was reacting to the poor diet and ultra low calories that you had been eating previously, not the increased nutrition of a healthy diet.

I hope you are not advocating a below normal calorie consumption because this website prohibits "Promotion of starvation diets or habits that exhibit signs of an eating disorder ("pro-ana", "pro-mia", etc.)."

I believe people who are "naturally slim" are able to eat intuitively.. they eat only when they are hungry and not due to the time of day, but also if they eat more on one day they instinctively eat less the next. And as long as the foods they generally eat are centered more around whole grain/lean protein/veg then the occasional burger won't make any difference and it all balances out.

It would be so great if we could do the same. But I think some people just do not have that instinctive off switch. They eat way more than their body can burn off. Overweight people often make poor nutritional choices day after day, after day and consistently eat larger portions ... result, overweight.

 

I have a friend how has maintained a healthy weight all of his life.  He eats very slowly and chews all of his food thoroughly.  He stops eating when he is satisfied.  He has never had a "clean the plate" mentality.  He doesn't avoid any type of food or snacks but if he's not hunger he doesn't eat.  He has a sedentary job but an active lifestyle.

My conclusion is that people who eat fast often eat too much because by the time the body send the signal to the brain that they have had enough they have already over eaten.  And that people who think of eating as an activity unrelated to nourishment over-ride the mechanism that lets them know they are full.

I also believe that sugary sweets can leave you feeling hungrier rather than satisfied which leads to over eating.

Calorie Counting is a way for people who tend to over eat to learn to control proportions and avoid overeating.

Original Post by pat92xx:

I know rite...Even my dietitian in UK told me that I shouldn't be counting calories cos it's just ridiculus...She asked me 'Why do you think that all of these celebrities and models are skinny' and I said 'Calories controlled diet' and she looked at me and said 'You need to stop believing in calories, they all eat healthy food, so how are u supposed to gain weight when u eat full of nutritions foods' and It really made me think as well... I've been on very low calorie diet before (800cals a day) and I lost a lot of weight and I didn't feel weak and my overall health was perfect...My skin and hair were in great condition...I didn't feel hungry and now when I eat a lot more...My hair started to falling out, my skin had gotten a lot worst...I just wish I was skinny again because the truth is that as long as you're skinny you're doesnt want to get fat so u care about what u eat...That's at least what I did..

 Your hair probably started falling out because of the damage you did to your body by only eating 800 calories a day.  Sometimes, it takes some time for the symptoms of starvation to catch up with you.  There was a post just yesterday about a girl who used to undereat, has since stopped, and just now has lost her period.

The celebrities and models who are skinny are usually starving themselves to stay that way.

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Original Post by foxriver:

Original Post by pat92xx:
Original Post by pat92xx:  1: She said 'You need to stop believing in calories, they all eat healthy food, so how are u supposed to gain weight when u eat full of nutritious foods'

2: I've been on a very low calorie diet before (800cals a day) and I lost a lot of weight and I didn't feel weak and my overall health was perfect...My skin and hair were in great condition...I didn't feel hungry and now when I eat a lot more...My hair started to falling out, my skin had gotten a lot worse.

You had me ... right up until you said this ^

1: You can get overweight on anything, even healthy food, if you eat too much of it.

2: your hair etc was reacting to the poor diet and ultra low calories that you had been eating previously, not the increased nutrition of a healthy diet.

I hope you are not advocating a below normal calorie consumption because this website prohibits "Promotion of starvation diets or habits that exhibit signs of an eating disorder ("pro-ana", "pro-mia", etc.)."

I believe people who are "naturally slim" are able to eat intuitively.. they eat only when they are hungry and not due to the time of day, but also if they eat more on one day they instinctively eat less the next. And as long as the foods they generally eat are centered more around whole grain/lean protein/veg then the occasional burger won't make any difference and it all balances out.

It would be so great if we could do the same. But I think some people just do not have that instinctive off switch. They eat way more than their body can burn off. Overweight people often make poor nutritional choices day after day, after day and consistently eat larger portions ... result, overweight.

 

 I used to be skinny, then I got overweight, then I got skinny:

1. When I was naturally skinny, I did eat a lot, because I was VERY active in sports. I didn't count calories but I must have been more hungry than most little girls because I was always on a team of some sort, or going for walks, or playing active games. And get this, I DIDN'T eat healthy!!! I ate crap!!! But I must have burned every calorie without knowing it. My body fat % was athletic, all while eating crap.

2. When I got overweight it was because I ate like I did when I was active, but I wasn't active. You get the drift.

3. When I got thin again, it was because I had to learn to control my portions to match my activity level. I now can eat intuitively again because I realize my body needs less food than when I was a varsity track runner.

It all comes down to calories burned and how many calories you put in your body, I believe. How can a dietician say, "You need to stop believing in calories," don't they learn about calories in school? lol that's funny.

Original Post by tikiremy:

It all comes down to calories burned and how many calories you put in your body, I believe. How can a dietician say, "You need to stop believing in calories," don't they learn about calories in school? lol that's funny.

 Calories in < calories out = weight loss, period.  If a dietitian is saying otherwise, I wouldn't trust this dietitian at all.

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Original Post by trhawley:

I have a friend how has maintained a healthy weight all of his life.  He eats very slowly and chews all of his food thoroughly.  He stops eating when he is satisfied.  He has never had a "clean the plate" mentality.  He doesn't avoid any type of food or snacks but if he's not hunger he doesn't eat.  He has a sedentary job but an active lifestyle.

My conclusion is that people who eat fast often eat too much because by the time the body send the signal to the brain that they have had enough they have already over eaten.  And that people who think of eating as an activity unrelated to nourishment over-ride the mechanism that lets them know they are full.

I also believe that sugary sweets can leave you feeling hungrier rather than satisfied which leads to over eating.

Calorie Counting is a way for people who tend to over eat to learn to control proportions and avoid overeating.

 I agree with all of this, even though I'm not one of the "slow eater" people. I understand the theory behind it, but it doesn't work for me. I portion out my food, wolf it down, and move on. If I eat slowly, I could eat all day.

Your thoughts are a bit jumbled. Using celebrities is just such a generic example seeming there are healthy, toned celebs, and those who are just doing to die young anyway (harsh, I know!)

Sorry to say, but there's little medical truth behind your post. Your hair might be falling out for other reasons ( yo-yo dieting) and your thyroid actually might be messed up. I would recommend you make an appt. with your Primary Care Physician (since your dietitian obviously had poor training)

Some people DO have fast metabolisms (in extreme conditions, hyperthyroidism) or as they get older, they'll put on weight. I eat EXTREMELY healthy(Lacto-veg) only eating lean (soy)proteins, lots of vegetables, carbs(brown rice, etc), but because of my genetic predisposition, hypothyroidism, and being chubby as a child, I have more fat cells to combat. Plus, I do admit, I overeat. But my years of neglect means that my adipose tissue composition is greater than someone who has been skinnier their whole life.

Anyway, I do agree that learning to stop eating when full is a skill. My husband does this, and I am fully amazed at his self-discipline. But I realized, if I want to prevent diabetes, and other health risks, I must exercise and control my calories.

Alot of people are taught to finish their plates, and food was used as a reward. IMHO, being toned, and eating a good amount of calories, and going out with friends for ice cream or such, is more attractive in the long run than being the thinnest I can be. Afterall, I wouldn't want to look like I just stepped out of a 3rd world country, emaciated because I refuse to feed my body.  

You point to great habits but I just sense that your mentality is a bit extreme. I just don't understand why people are so obsessed with being "skinny v fat" and not "healthy v unhealthy" because I guarantee you, those people eating cheeseburgers everyday WILL have health consequences (let me go as far as to say highly processed food is carcinogenic). 

Personally, I maybe 10lbs overweight, but I can outrun my "skinny" friends, and my waist is trim,and my body's strong. That's what matters.

*shrug*

My skinny friends are either

a) chronic undereaters with body image problems who I worry about

or

b) live on endless amounts of junk food and cake and booze with zero exercise and lucky genetics (or not so lucky, as I think they look too thin really, though I am jealous of getting to eat whatever you want whenever you want - obviously they are very unfit)

The older I get, the less I am convinced that there is much of a correlation between how much you eat and what size you are. I have eaten very very healthy for around 8 years and am just within the healthy range, but not thin. I guess you just have to adjust your eating habits to lose weight if you are not naturally slim, and if you are you probably continue eating crap your whole life, because what's to suggest you should do otherwise? I am happy that my weight made me learn to eat healthy and presumably will have done my long term health a huge favour... most of the time. (other times I whinge about it all Tongue out

Paul McKenna's weight loss programme advocates exactly this behaviour, eat when you're hungry, stop when you're full, eat slowly and taste everything properly.

Also the basic equation is calories in vs calories out......can't get away from that

Original Post by pat92xx:

I know rite...Even my dietitian in UK told me that I shouldn't be counting calories cos it's just ridiculus...She asked me 'Why do you think that all of these celebrities and models are skinny' and I said 'Calories controlled diet' and she looked at me and said 'You need to stop believing in calories, they all eat healthy food, so how are u supposed to gain weight when u eat full of nutritions foods' and It really made me think as well... I've been on very low calorie diet before (800cals a day) and I lost a lot of weight and I didn't feel weak and my overall health was perfect...My skin and hair were in great condition...I didn't feel hungry and now when I eat a lot more...My hair started to falling out, my skin had gotten a lot worst...I just wish I was skinny again because the truth is that as long as you're skinny you're doesnt want to get fat so u care about what u eat...That's at least what I did..

I've heard a lot lately about "caloric restriction" as a way to extend your lifespan.  Rats who were "restricted" lived a LOT longer than ones who were allowed to eat WHATEVER they wanted.  And they didn't LOOK as old, either.  Your statement about losing your hair and your skin getting worse is one MORE piece of evidence that restricting calories can extend your life...for ME, anyway.

I am sure the longevity of the rats were enjoyable for them as well. To restrict is just finding the limit, that is what  finishing  the meal when your full is about. We who are over weight can let the portion control offer some assist as well. But finding the calories of food labeled and defined will give those of us with less inate talent to guide our eating habits. 800 calories sounds low to me, and I would seek a Doctor/Nutritionalist for that planning session. Not to start some rant, it sounds like the same advise from a fad diet I know some were into a few years back (Kimkins). It was encouraging in the beginning and then showed signs of bodily failure. The old joke-That is the problem with starvation, they were looking so much better till they died.

I was in the market last night reading soup labels and finding some called out  six servings per can. It used to be my habit to take a can of soup to work heat it , eat it all in one sitting and voila a meal. The sodium was off the charts too. But watching and making myself aware is the only way I will regain the health and to reach the longevity to enjoy it. Remember for some it isn't fitting in to the highschool size cloths anymore, but living a long happy life.

 

I believe people who are "naturally slim" are able to eat intuitively.. they eat only when they are hungry and not due to the time of day, but also if they eat more on one day they instinctively eat less the next. And as long as the foods they generally eat are centered more around whole grain/lean protein/veg then the occasional burger won't make any difference and it all balances out

 

This is so true, and exactly how I am, as a "skinny person"

I have always been a skinny person, and I've always eaten whatever I wanted whenever. Then I became pregnant, and picked up a whopping thirty kilograms! I eventually lost all that weight, through diet and excercise, and I'm actually gratefull for the experience- it's taught me how to eat well, and it's part of my lifestyle now. I've maintained the same weight for nearly two years, WITHOUT extreme dieting, or depriving myself of things when I want them. I can have some chocolate, just not all of it, and not all the time either. I will for example eat a hamburger for lunch, but then for dinner I will have something lighter and healthier.  I also keep a close eye on things- if I see that I'm overdoing it a bit, I will curb myself over the next little while. It totally works for me!

When I started counting calories I began counting my calories at the end of the day for the first week. I was eating until I was full but not stuffed and eating when I felt hungry. On the days I thought I was eating unhealthing things I actually ate less calories and on the days I thought I was being healthy I was eating a lot of calories. For instance one day I had a roast dinner with mashed potatoes. I thought those potatoes were bad for me but the are actually low in calories and high in potassium! The day I ate salads fruits and nuts i consumed WAY to much fat which were contained in the nuts and massive amounts of dressing. My point is, I bet your friend who only ate when he was hungry and quit eatingwhen he was satified probably consumed the proper amount of calories for him. Our bodies were made to tell us when we are hungry and when we are full. I wasnt too far off on my calories when I started. I had to shave about 200 off of what I was consuming to start loosing weight which isnt too bad.

Original Post by tikiremy:

Original Post by foxriver:

Original Post by pat92xx:
Original Post by pat92xx:  1: She said 'You need to stop believing in calories, they all eat healthy food, so how are u supposed to gain weight when u eat full of nutritious foods'

2: I've been on a very low calorie diet before (800cals a day) and I lost a lot of weight and I didn't feel weak and my overall health was perfect...My skin and hair were in great condition...I didn't feel hungry and now when I eat a lot more...My hair started to falling out, my skin had gotten a lot worse.

You had me ... right up until you said this ^

1: You can get overweight on anything, even healthy food, if you eat too much of it.

2: your hair etc was reacting to the poor diet and ultra low calories that you had been eating previously, not the increased nutrition of a healthy diet.

I hope you are not advocating a below normal calorie consumption because this website prohibits "Promotion of starvation diets or habits that exhibit signs of an eating disorder ("pro-ana", "pro-mia", etc.)."

I believe people who are "naturally slim" are able to eat intuitively.. they eat only when they are hungry and not due to the time of day, but also if they eat more on one day they instinctively eat less the next. And as long as the foods they generally eat are centered more around whole grain/lean protein/veg then the occasional burger won't make any difference and it all balances out.

It would be so great if we could do the same. But I think some people just do not have that instinctive off switch. They eat way more than their body can burn off. Overweight people often make poor nutritional choices day after day, after day and consistently eat larger portions ... result, overweight.

 

 I used to be skinny, then I got overweight, then I got skinny:

1. When I was naturally skinny, I did eat a lot, because I was VERY active in sports. I didn't count calories but I must have been more hungry than most little girls because I was always on a team of some sort, or going for walks, or playing active games. And get this, I DIDN'T eat healthy!!! I ate crap!!! But I must have burned every calorie without knowing it. My body fat % was athletic, all while eating crap.

2. When I got overweight it was because I ate like I did when I was active, but I wasn't active. You get the drift.

3. When I got thin again, it was because I had to learn to control my portions to match my activity level. I now can eat intuitively again because I realize my body needs less food than when I was a varsity track runner.

It all comes down to calories burned and how many calories you put in your body, I believe. How can a dietician say, "You need to stop believing in calories," don't they learn about calories in school? lol that's funny.

 I agree with tikiremy, it is all about calories in and calories; how your body reacts is a different thing.  I also like how you said you can now "eat intuitively again."  This makes so much sense to me, I can not eat the way I ate 5 years ago when I was heavier, way too much food.  Now I know my limits for the weight I am at but I'm trying to cut back even more.

I count calories and I have for nearly 3 years now.  What I've found is that you don't really need to watch calories.  I ate 2400 calories the other day and dropped 2 pounds.  What is a big deal for me is SALT.  If I keep my salt under 1600mg, I can really power through food and still lose weight.

I was a stick when I was 20 as well-so not sure this counts. My friend's daughter is about 20 and normal weight. She is always talking about her super-fast metabolism.

Not true.

I spend a lot of time with this family and started watching her eat. She eats maybe a 1/3 of her meals and has the occasional treat, then doesn't even finish that. She doesn't have any eating disorders, she doesn't doesn't nearly as much as she seems to think she does.

In fact I would starve to death if I ate her portions. I'm glad to see she has a healthy attitude towards food though. I just let her think her metabolism is super fast so she doesn't get weird about it

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