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Saw an interesting vid on Youtube today...


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...I'm really not sure what to think about it (at least the very beginning). I think self confidence is a great thing, but when the woman wearing the pink dress brings up how she's basically "lucky" to be obese kind of disturbs me. What are your thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDakFfLQDF4&am p;feature=fvw

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Thats disgusting and shameful.

Promoting obesity is absolutely fine but being pro-ana is a big no no?

Talk about having a double standard.

And those eating contests? You've got to be kidding me, thats just pure GLUTTONY. A real sport? Please.

 

"Im not going on any more DIETS"

She makes it seem like being a healthy weight in unacheivable. How about just being healthy? I guarrantee you these women would see improvement if they just started eating BETTER foods. Its obvious these people are in huge denial and are trying to justify their poor habits.

This disturbs the h*ll out of me.

Unbelievable!! I'm amazed how people make excuses for their failures and the lenghts they go to justify them. It's sick actually.

Here is my disclaimer: I re-read my post and it's pretty argumentative (I'm usually pretty sweet so I don't know if it's offensive), so just a heads up that it's not addressed to any one person or group on this site, but at the population of our country and the world in general.

 

I watched the video. I took notes. Here is what I found interesting:

1. Obviously produced by a British newscaster. What did I see when I was in Britain? Oh, golly gee, pretty much the same things that we had here. Deep fried fatty foods on every street corner, severe lack of gyms and ways to maintain healthy weight. Just my personal bias, but they bite so hard on Americans being overweight but no one really wants to talk about Europe. At all. Nothing. Hm.

2. This is a medical condition. You can't say, oh that's disgusting, why don't they just put down the cheeseburgers and get on a bike. It is a MEDICAL condition. It's just like having psoriasis or cancer. Why don't those people take their medicine and stop whining. Because it is a medical condition. You can't discriminate against ANY medical condition, regardless of what it looks like to you personally. The doctor on there even admitted that it's a condition that affects body and MIND, and there is no easy cure for anyone, and the fact that everyone is fat for their own personal set of reasons makes it even more difficult.

3. Doctor also admitted you can be obese and fit. Which I find fascinating. A doctor admitting that you can be fat AND healthy? *check the sky for pigs* I am 286 pounds. I am in extremely good health. I have slight asthma and allergies, but my blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol, etc. are FANTASTIC. I have no mobility issues because of my weight. I am one of the most flexible people I know. I can exercise without getting out of breath. I can do more sit-ups and push-ups than a lot of "normal" weight people. I am just plain healthy. Fat, but healthy. My whole family is fat. Some have medical conditions, some don't. Our family consistently lives to be in the 90s though. Yes, a lot of people who are fat have health conditions. BUT you can't look at a fat person and ASSUME that they do or that they will die earlier because it's all just a crap shoot.

4. I, as a fat person, am absolutely guilty of discriminating against fat people too. I look at people who weigh more than I do sitting down to a fatty dinner and I JUDGE. I think, why can't they just be like me and try losing a few pounds. They'd be so much happier. But the simple fact of the matter is that you just don't know. I THINK I know it would make them happier and healthier, but you just don't KNOW. I've been told since I was 5 that I need to lose weight. But with all that shame and all that embarrassment, have I? Do you sit a kid who has a learning disorder in a room full of people and list the reasons they are stupid? If people are going to be fat and they are at peace with that, why can't we just let it go? I started my journey with the goal of 150 pounds by 1/1/2012. And now? I eat pretty healthily and I work out as best I can, and I'm leaving it at that. No real goal weight, no real goal date. I just want to live healthier. Will you see me at the store and think, "Why doesn't she just put down the cheeseburgers and get on a bike once in a while?" Will you interview me for a job and give it to a skinny person instead because I visually revolt you? It's not your place to make decisions about MY lifestyle and MY body. It's not even my doctor's place to my decisions about MY lifestyle and MY body. That's for me to decide. And it's for every other "fat" person out there to decide about their own lifestyles and bodies.

 

So lay off.

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Wow, I'm with Gandra on this one. That video is really disgusting. I think we have people who have really given up on making themselves heathly and justifying it by saying I am happy with me. Well, they are not happy with themselves. If they were they wouldn't need food to use as a crutch if they were truly happy. And the guy equating eating with other sports is quite ridiculous! You have to ask...if they were truly happy then why are they overweight?

  • I am very disturbed by eating contests in a world where millions of people are starving to death.  But they are not new, and I don't believe they have anything to do with the "obesity epidemic".
  • I hate dieting, and I believe that we have, as a nation, dieted ourselves fat.
  • It is not smart public policy to claim on the one hand that obesity is a health risk/disease, and on the other hand, deny people medical access (insurance) if they are fat.  But, don't get me started on the American health care system that also denies access to people with HIV, with cancer, with hypertension, you name it.  If the insurance industry had its way, the only people who could ever get medical care are the ones that don't need it.
  • We should love ourselves and others regardless of weight/obesity.  Hate/shame are not forces for good in this world.
  • I am not a number on the scale.  If I eat well and move more, I will be as healthy as I can be.  And, eventually, I will actually be thin enough to look healthy to the outside world, but the real transformation comes from the commitment to eat well and move more -- well before the results "show".  And we can't look at others and tell where they are on the continuum of health.  Even though I am still technically "obese", I know I am healthier than many "thin" people I know.
Original Post by saetum:

...1. Obviously produced by a British newscaster. What did I see when I was in Britain? Oh, golly gee, pretty much the same things that we had here. Deep fried fatty foods on every street corner, severe lack of gyms and ways to maintain healthy weight. Just my personal bias, but they bite so hard on Americans being overweight but no one really wants to talk about Europe. At all. Nothing. Hm.

Since when are gyms necessary for exercise or good health? There's no lack of ways to maintain a healthy weight in Britain, Europe, America or anywhere else - it's up to people to avoid junk food and sedentary lifestyles, that's all. I might add, the newscaster is actually not "obviously British"... but Australian... Wink The doco is also an ABC Australia production.

2. This is a medical condition. You can't say, oh that's disgusting, why don't they just put down the cheeseburgers and get on a bike. It is a MEDICAL condition. It's just like having psoriasis or cancer....

Not really. Obesity is related to medical conditions for only a very small % of the obese population. For the rest, it's lifestyle related - diet, sedentary lifestyle, or both.

4. I, as a fat person, am absolutely guilty of discriminating against fat people too. I look at people who weigh more than I do sitting down to a fatty dinner and I JUDGE. I think, why can't they just be like me and try losing a few pounds. They'd be so much happier. But the simple fact of the matter is that you just don't know. I THINK I know it would make them happier and healthier, but you just don't KNOW. I've been told since I was 5 that I need to lose weight. But with all that shame and all that embarrassment, have I? Do you sit a kid who has a learning disorder in a room full of people and list the reasons they are stupid? If people are going to be fat and they are at peace with that, why can't we just let it go?

If you think obesity is a medical condition much like cancer, I'm surprised you're keen to just "let it go". If it's a lifestyle disease, sure, it's their choice (aside from the fact that medical bills get passed on to us all in the end). But if it was a medical condition, then of course it makes sense to encourage obese patients to seek treatment.

 

Not trying to be querulous, but I'm pretty good with accents and the newscaster was almost definitely from New Zealand. Meryl might be right, though, about her being Australian. But she was for sure not from England.

Anyway. As a European, I get saetum's point. There are plenty of overweight people in my country, and I'm just one example of that. But that doesn't mean that America's not bigger. I'm not sure how to date these facts are, but about 30-35% of Ireland is "overweight" and about 18% is obese. On the other side of the pond, 65% of Americans are overweight, and over 30% are obese. I don't think it was ridiculous or biased of them to focus on America for this kind of documentary. No one's saying there's not a problem in Europe, it's just bigger (pardon the pun) here in America.


As for the rest of the video, I thought it was messed up. I'm all for promoting less discrimination, and I'm glad someone said that you can be overweight AND healthy. But I think it's grossly inappropriate to pretend like this obesity epidemic isn't a problem.

I've never seen such a blatant example of slave morality. It's much easier to condemn the thing you don't have than it is to change your lifestyle.

And saetum: You can't in the same breath say that obesity is a disease and and that obesity is consistent with being healthy. Either it is a disease or it isn't, and if it is, then you are not healthy if you are obese.

Also, echoing merylwhite1, obesity is not a disease like psoriasis and cancer. Psoriasis and (some forms of) cancer are involuntary; obesity is not. Obesity is more like smoking. Imagine a bunch of smokers rallying together and having a public 'coming out' party, chanting, smoking, and extolling the virtues of smoking, bitching about the 'prejudices' against them, etc. There may even be a few who say: "I've smoked for ninety years and I'm as healthy as a horse!" And it may even be true. There are always anomalies. But it is still untrue as a general rule. Similarly, it is untrue as a general rule that obese persons are healthy. And just as a 'coming out' party of smokers would be ridiculous, so too is the one in the video.

Of course, whenever the debate is on about whether obesity is voluntary, usually those who say it is are not obese, and those who say it isn't are. Perhaps the people who should hvae the most say in the debate are those who have been obese and now no longer are (or the other way around). I would like to see what people who have the insight of having been on both sides of the debate have to say about it...

i feel for all those people who have given up. its possible to loose weight, i for one know it is. i use to weigh 285 pounds, now i weigh 195.Yet, I haven't acheived by my goal of 175 so i will continue on. I will continue excersing and being an example to my family,neighbors and anyone starting their journey.Along with everyone here on calorie counter.  but it doesn't happen over night.when i saw this video i see so much potential for self betterment.

BUT i do agree that hatters are out there. They might believe they're doing good by saying how better they are compared to the fat people yet they don't provide them with the support to reach that ideal figure. The biggest contributor family members telling them their fat, ugly, you should loose weight and you'll never be like me. I say to **** with them,  PROVE THEM WRONG

Its my greatest acomplishment to have proven my family wrong and now i am the 2 to last skinnest person. I get compliments every day, but i'll never feed into the hatter mode they once practiced on me. Metaphorically, i see this journey through its beginning, that one spark that transformed a tedious flame into a deadly fire tamed only by the person who started it. That spark can be a person getting up from their couch, walking around the neighborhood or meeting a fine lady, in my case. One can only wait for that spark to begin, I just hope that those obese people can start it ASAP .  

Partially i believe its the fault of the private sector,especially fast food chains which provide Americans with big servings,fat and sodium drenched meals.

 

 

I think, as far as the "obesity as a disease" argument goes, a lot of people get mixed up with obesity, and the reasons for obesity. Obesity is not a disease. It can be a side effect from a disease like an eating disorder or (very rarely) some other medical condition (and even then, I'm pretty sure that medical conditions that cause weight gain probably don't account for all the weight -- I mean, it's possible that some diseases contribute to weight gain, but they don't just make someone obese, and if they do, it's more likely another factor that could have been influened by the disease. Ex: a disease makes someone gain weight, they diet, it doesn't work, they get upset, they gain weight. There are lots of factors.) It can also be (and is more commonly) as result of an unhealthy lifestyle, like others have said.

So, obesity a disease? I don't think that's quite right. Obesity as a result of a disease? Possible but very rare, and probably also influenced by other factors, if not the result of an ED. Obesity as a result of a lifestyle problem? Much more likely.

So yes, diseases can cause or lead to obesity, but you can't really say obesity is a disease in and of itself.

"It was more comfortable and easier to live at that size" said one of the women that was interviewed -- doesn't that back what we are saying? It's not a diseas, it's a choice she made because it was too hard for her to watch what she ate. Hmph. I don't think it's very fair to those people who do actually have an involuntary illness to compare it to there weight problems.

I just don't get what the big deal is :(

It's like people need to find something to rebel about and when they lose interest in one thing they have to find something else...which is not weight.

Original Post by healthyforever:

Not trying to be querulous, but I'm pretty good with accents and the newscaster was almost definitely from New Zealand. Meryl might be right, though, about her being Australian. But she was for sure not from England.

Lol... I am a New Zealander... and we tend to mock Aussie accents, so I'm pretty good at spotting them from someone who sounds like me.

 When I see people like the ones in this video, it just reminds me AGAIN that I've got a hell of a lot of work to do.

NEVER GIVE UP!

 

 

 

I just feel sad for the people in this video. They are just trying to feel good about themselves. And really, that's all I'm trying to do, too. That's why I'm on calorie count. Aren't we all just trying to feel good about ourselves? So, I wouldn't take the approach they took, but I don't think I'm any better than them.

I do agree with one of the messages in the video: Lifelong dieting makes us fat.  One of the major differences between us and the people on the video is that they haven't found this website.  Most diets do not teach you how to lose weight and keep it off.

I've never been obese, but I've always been overweight, and I'm quite sure that had I not taken control, I would have eventually reached obese.  I was almost there when I found CC.  I can not remember a time when I didn't see myself as fat.  I clearly remember thinking that I was fat when I was 8 years old.  When I was 12, my mother offered me a deal: For every 4 pounds I lost, I would earn a horseback riding lesson (something that I really wanted to do, but was a splurge for my family).  Then when I was 13, she took me to Jenny Craig.  My start weight was 132 (BMI 24.9), and they wanted me to get to 106 (BMI 20).  I lost a few pounds, but never got to my goal weight.  But I've been trying to lose weight ever since then, and nearly 20 years later I found myself almost 30 pounds heavier.  I've learned an awful lot about nutrition over those 2 decades because of my constant desire to lose weight, but the self esteem issues created by a society that worships skinny bodies are horrible.  Example: I know that while people don't see me as skinny right now at 5'1 and 140 lbs., they also don't see me as fat.  But it doesn't change the idea in my head that guys don't find me attractive because I'm overweight.  And because I believe that, they don't find me attractive.  I simply don't project the confidence that defines sexy.

So while I do believe that everyone has the ability to healthily not be obese, I think one of their messages is a great one: Love your body, no matter what size it is.  It's a message I wish I could have learned early on.

So... yeah...

If there werent tons of health problems that came with being over/under weight, then being truly proud of being that big wouldnt be a problem I guess. But come on... You cant be proud of a high risk of diabetes, heart problems, etc. right?

I actually find empowerment in watching what I eat and excersicing, in other words doing something about my weight, but ya know, different strokes for different folks i guess. You cant let a video upset you if you can do nothing about it, its not like theyre hurting us.

but anywaays, its awesome that you posted it cuzzz it IS VERY interesting!

wonder what a shrink would say. i don't think she's dealing with her real feelings. perhaps it's easier for her to deny her pain than to deal with it. who puts on a video like that? who is she trying to convince? i don't think it's us.......

Original Post by deedee1:

wonder what a shrink would say. i don't think she's dealing with her real feelings. perhaps it's easier for her to deny her pain than to deal with it. who puts on a video like that? who is she trying to convince? i don't think it's us.......

deedee1: Ummm....Are you referring to me? I wasn't putting the video on here to be mean, I just thought it was interesting. And I'm way confused by the whole feelings and pain part. If you could explain, that would be great!

summergirl, I assume deedee1 was referring to the woman doing all those interviews in the video.  It didn't even cross my mind that she could be referring to you.

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I would say let them live their lives the way they want, but it is far more complicated than that.

at what point do we have to accomodate a lifestyle choice, vs. somebody who is actually struggling with their weight.

Where I come from we have socialized healthcare which basically pays for the health problems that these people are knowingly putting themselves in jeopardy of.

It is one thing to provide a society that promotes a healthy lifestyle and THEN help those who are still struggling with weight, but to know that so many people are doing it on purpose, these people for sure do not deserve the benefits from the rest of society.

Sadly, there is no way to distinguish them.

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