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Will I lose weight on a modified low carb diet?


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Has anyone successfully lost weight by giving up bread, pasta, rice, corn, and potatoes but not worrying carbs in other foods? I've been doing it for a few days, and I'm wondering if anyone else has tried it too. I do keep track of the carbs that I eat, it ends up between 70-120 carbs a day. (Along with that, Im eating about 1500 calories a day. Sundays are cheat days.)
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Low-carb diets work only because you end up eating fewer calories. The amt. of carbs you consume doesn't change whether or not you lose weight. Neither does the protein or fat you eat. It's all about calories.

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Original Post by armandounc:

Low-carb diets work only because you end up eating fewer calories. The amt. of carbs you consume doesn't change whether or not you lose weight. Neither does the protein or fat you eat. It's all about calories.

Im beginning to wonder if carbs is what we should be cutting too....Ive been cutting calories back to 1500 per day and Im not losing weight!

Apparently I wasn't clear enough - it's about calories, not macronutrients. I eat 500 g of carbs a day. That's me in my picture. I'm not overweight. It's about calories in - calories out. not carbs.

I personally just cut cals and not worried about carbs (but I do try to cut back on sodium and sugar though) but I think armandounc view is how I think about low carb diets. It reminds me of an episode of Fat Actress - the koi effect, her new diet was everything had to be small so she could be small but her friends just basically exclaimed "but eating less to lose weight is basically the idea" but the argument went on that: no 'everything' had to be small, not just food portions. But if it works for you or if you prefer it, then that is great :)

I am not eating bread, rice, potatoes, pasta, pizza on a regular basis - unfortunately those carbohydrates don't agree with me. Also: it is all that extra stuff I would put on top of bread etc which really made me balloon. According to C C my minimum carbs is 120 g a day and I try to stick to that: lots of vegetables, fruit, salads, plain yoghurt - which puts me between 120 and 150 g carbs a day. Depending on the exercise I am doing for the day I eat between 2.000 and 2.500 calories. I started on 169 kg, 372 pounds - so far I have lost 91 pounds. Once in a while I fancy a good quality pizza, or a nice loaf of ciabatta, or some pasta dish - I always prepare my daily meal plan the day before and I make sure that whatever I am planning to eat fits into my daily calories.       

If you're only getting 70-120 grams of carbs a day, I'm guessing you're not getting a whole lot of fruit or veggies in your diet.  You should really try to make sure you get a lot of fruit and veg.  The sugar content is mitigated by the high amounts of fiber and they're vitamin and mineral dense.

I've never been a fan of refined carbs (pasta, bread, etc) but I still get "too many" carbs and "too little" fat and protein in my diet (according to the analysis page).  I've stopped caring because I feel full, have energy, and lose weight.

I have had a lot of success cutting carbs - I have eliminated bread, milk, rice, potatoes, processed foods, cereal, etc.  I limit myself to two pieces of fruit per day but eat as many veges as I can.  Steel cut oats for breakfast.  I try and keep my carb intake below 40% of my total calories - (40/30/30).  I might sneak a few M&Ms if I have a craving.

I had been losing 1-2 lbs per week, but since starting this 3 weeks ago I am losing closer to 2-3 lbs per week.  Only time will tell if this will continue in the long term.

Now I mostly agree that it is more about total calories then it is about macro nutrients.  But I also believe that eating this way has forced me to eat more healthy foods, reduced my cravings and allowed me to hit my nutrient goals more consistently.

 

 

Original Post by armandounc:

Low-carb diets work only because you end up eating fewer calories. The amt. of carbs you consume doesn't change whether or not you lose weight. Neither does the protein or fat you eat. It's all about calories.

I don't want to get in an argument here or anything, but I am curious... On low carb diets, you eat A LOT of fat. It is usually suggested that 50+% of your diet come from fat when you are cutting carbs. Fat has more calories than carbs. There are 9 calories in one gram of fat and 4 calories in one gram of carbs. So this would mean that if you are cutting out carbs and adding fat like you are supposed to, the amount of calories you are eating should actually go up. When I started eating low carb, I was probably eating 500 calories per day more than when I was simply worrying about calories and I actually lost more weight eating low carb.

Original Post by caitlinelise10:

Original Post by armandounc:

Low-carb diets work only because you end up eating fewer calories. The amt. of carbs you consume doesn't change whether or not you lose weight. Neither does the protein or fat you eat. It's all about calories.

I don't want to get in an argument here or anything, but I am curious... On low carb diets, you eat A LOT of fat. It is usually suggested that 50+% of your diet come from fat when you are cutting carbs. Fat has more calories than carbs. There are 9 calories in one gram of fat and 4 calories in one gram of carbs. So this would mean that if you are cutting out carbs and adding fat like you are supposed to, the amount of calories you are eating should actually go up. When I started eating low carb, I was probably eating 500 calories per day more than when I was simply worrying about calories and I actually lost more weight eating low carb.

You don't replace grams of carbs with grams of fat.  You still eat a restricted diet, but you're eating more protein and fat. 

ie - You eat 1500 calories worth of food, but instead of getting 2000 grams (weight) of food on a high carb veggie based diet you'd be eating 1250 grams of food full of denser calories.

A lot of people feel fuller on a diet like this, as it flips an "off" switch for hunger, but not everyone.  You lose a lot of fiber when you drastically cut the carbs, which aids in digestion and some of the feeling full.  I personally prefer the more grams of food I get by eating a lot of fruit and veg :)  My "off" switch takes too long to register if I can't feel the food in my belly!

Original Post by josielynn: You don't replace grams of carbs with grams of fat.  You still eat a restricted diet, but you're eating more protein and fat. 
You are contradicting yourself here. If you are eating less carbs (hence the LOW CARB diet) and you are "eating more protein and fat" as you yourself said, you are replacing carbs with more fat and protein as I said.

This is how the Atkin's diet "works". YOU may have replaced the calories with fat, but in the mainstream "low-carb" diets the reason they work is because you don't go and replace every carb calorie with a fat/protein calorie. They work because you eat fewer carbs and fewer calories.

Look the research is there. People have lost weight on diets of 60% fat, people have lost weight on diets with > 500 g of carbs, etc. It's not about the macronutrient. It's about the calories. While someone may claim they immediately lost weight eating the exact same amt. of calories but fewer from carbs, that's not a controlled research experiment. People are notoriously bad at really knowing how much they eat as far as calories and nutrients go. I'm not saying it can't happen, but there are lots of things involved including exercise, hormones, etc. In research scientists try to keep all other variables constant to pin-point the one that is making a difference. And that one is calories.

Have you not come across the story of the professor that ate a twinky-only (is that how you spell that candy?) diet and lost weight? It's not about what you eat. It's about the calories.

I'm glad for you it worked. And I'm sure for many others it works. But that doesn't mean it's not about the calories.

Original Post by armandounc:

This is how the Atkin's diet "works". YOU may have replaced the calories with fat, but in the mainstream "low-carb" diets the reason they work is because you don't go and replace every carb calorie with a fat/protein calorie. They work because you eat fewer carbs and fewer calories.

Look the research is there. People have lost weight on diets of 60% fat, people have lost weight on diets with > 500 g of carbs, etc. It's not about the macronutrient. It's about the calories. While someone may claim they immediately lost weight eating the exact same amt. of calories but fewer from carbs, that's not a controlled research experiment. People are notoriously bad at really knowing how much they eat as far as calories and nutrients go. I'm not saying it can't happen, but there are lots of things involved including exercise, hormones, etc. In research scientists try to keep all other variables constant to pin-point the one that is making a difference. And that one is calories.

Have you not come across the story of the professor that ate a twinky-only (is that how you spell that candy?) diet and lost weight? It's not about what you eat. It's about the calories.

I'm glad for you it worked. And I'm sure for many others it works. But that doesn't mean it's not about the calories.

I agree with you that calories are the major factor and I completely agree that different things work for different people. My dad got down to 6% body fat eating pretty much nothing but carbs. My mom, grandmother, and myself have all been more successful with a low carb diet. It's all about experimenting and finding what works for you.

You don't replace grams of carbs for grams of fat and protein. You replace calories of carbs with calories of fats and proteins. Less food weight wise than bulking up with carbs, same number of calories.

Here's an example. I can eat 30 grams of rice for 100 cals or 194 grams of apples for 100 cals or 18 grams of almonds for 100 calories. The rice is pretty low on fiber and digests quickly. You could replace it with apples(high fiber carbs) an get to eat more food by weight or replace it with almonds and eat less by weight but it takes a lot longer to digest and leaves you feeling satiated longer.

When a diet plan talks about replacing one food with another it's not talking about by weight (usually). It's talking about replacing the calories in that food

Re caitlin Agreed. And that's why there's no one "diet" that will work for everyone.

 

Original Post by josielynn:

You don't replace grams of carbs for grams of fat and protein. You replace calories of carbs with calories of fats and proteins. Less food weight wise than bulking up with carbs, same number of calories.

Here's an example. I can eat 30 grams of rice for 100 cals or 194 grams of apples for 100 cals or 18 grams of almonds for 100 calories. The rice is pretty low on fiber and digests quickly. You could replace it with apples(high fiber carbs) an get to eat more food by weight or replace it with almonds and eat less by weight but it takes a lot longer to digest and leaves you feeling satiated longer.

When a diet plan talks about replacing one food with another it's not talking about by weight (usually). It's talking about replacing the calories in that food


I don't know where you got that I was saying you should replace carbs with fat gram for gram. I just said that low carb diets usually recommend that fat make up 50% or more of your diet. Because fat is higher in calories than carbs, a lot of times, you end up with more calories on a low carb diet. Most low carb diets tell you not to count calories, just stay under a certain amount of carbs. So you are not replacing carbs with fat gram for gram or calorie for calorie. You are just eating more fat and less carbs. Period. In my experience, you end up eating more calories if you are following all the "rules" and eating as much fat as they want you to eat.

I would not say that I am an authority on this matter by any stretch of the imagination.  What I do know is that different things work for different people.  For years I had been struggling with my weight.  I have tried just about everything there is out there....and though I'm still struggling, I am finally beginning to see results. 

In regards to your question, I will tell you what seems to be working for me right now.  I have decreased my sugar intake greatly.....that alone helps to eliminate any cravings I used to have for sweets.  I eat a high protein, low calorie, low carb protein bars to satisfy my chocoholic tendencies.  I have found that what works for me is a high protein, low carb diet.  The only problem in the past was that I could never stick to it because I was always craving carbs.  Again, I think that might have been due to the sugar issue I refered to earlier.

One thing that I have recently noticed, that surprisingly is showing results, is that I have increased my fat consumption.....the good fats of course, (two examples are coconut oil, and olive oil).  I used to struggle with watching the number on the scale go down, while my BMI went up.....as a result, I used to think that "Fats" were bad.  However, I have to tell you that since adding the "good fats" to my diet, the scale is moving down..... but the best part, is that my BMI has dropped from 45% to 40%, and I'm fitting into clothes that I was once unable to wear. 

So, I guess to summarize, I'm saying to look at what has worked for you in the past, incorporate it here with the logging of foods, activity, and water, and see what happens.  You would be amazed at the calorie content in some of the foods we choose to consume.  Calorie Count has been a helpful tool for me because it enables me to make better choices.

I hope this helps in some way.

Good luck

Original Post by caitlinelise10:

Original Post by josielynn:

You don't replace grams of carbs for grams of fat and protein. You replace calories of carbs with calories of fats and proteins. Less food weight wise than bulking up with carbs, same number of calories.

Here's an example. I can eat 30 grams of rice for 100 cals or 194 grams of apples for 100 cals or 18 grams of almonds for 100 calories. The rice is pretty low on fiber and digests quickly. You could replace it with apples(high fiber carbs) an get to eat more food by weight or replace it with almonds and eat less by weight but it takes a lot longer to digest and leaves you feeling satiated longer.

When a diet plan talks about replacing one food with another it's not talking about by weight (usually). It's talking about replacing the calories in that food


I don't know where you got that I was saying you should replace carbs with fat gram for gram. I just said that low carb diets usually recommend that fat make up 50% or more of your diet. Because fat is higher in calories than carbs, a lot of times, you end up with more calories on a low carb diet. Most low carb diets tell you not to count calories, just stay under a certain amount of carbs. So you are not replacing carbs with fat gram for gram or calorie for calorie. You are just eating more fat and less carbs. Period. In my experience, you end up eating more calories if you are following all the "rules" and eating as much fat as they want you to eat.

I assumed since we're on a calorie counting website that the OP wasn't going to go crazy on the fats and proteins while going low carb :)

I'm no diet expert but basic biochemistry states we get energy from carbohydrates, fats and proteins.

The body can't store excess proteins but excess fats and carbohydrates are stored as fat.

Carbohydrates causes an increase in blood glucose which causes insulin secretion. Insulin promotes fat storage.

Therefore there are 2 ways to lose weight. Go low-carb (insulin-dependent method) or low-calorie (calorie dependent method). As long as you don't overload the body with insulin. 

 

To answer your question, I know a few people on a diet similar to you, but they eat brown rice and wild rice. 

Original Post by crystal_wings:

I'm no diet expert but basic biochemistry states we get energy from carbohydrates, fats and proteins.

The body can't store excess proteins but excess fats and carbohydrates are stored as fat.

Carbohydrates causes an increase in blood glucose which causes insulin secretion. Insulin promotes fat storage.

Therefore there are 2 ways to lose weight. Go low-carb or low-calorie. As long as you don't overload the body with insulin. 

 

To answer your question, I know a few people on a diet similar to you, but they eat brown rice and wild rice. 

Uhh.. It is clear you have a but rudimentary understanding of nutrition. It's not cut and dry like that. By any means.

 

Yes I'm no hardcore dieter. Only going on what I'm learning at university. ><

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