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But I'm ready to start something.  I'm going to say everything I think about weight loss that I expect people to dislike

1. eating several meals a day does nothing for your metabolism and nothing for stabilizing your blood sugar.  Why would eating more frequently, causing your body to release insulin more times a day increase your sensitivity to it.  If I want to increase my ethanol sensitivity, should I drink more?

2. Running is awesome, but it is not the key to losing fat.  It will help you improve your cholesterol levels, triglycerides, you might feel good afterwards, but it makes you more efficient at burning fat, which is not desirable.  You want your body to be inefficient at burning fat, so it has to burn more fat.  Have you ever seen a fat person run to being a thin person?  I haven't.  I've seen fat people who couldn't run become fat people who could run, and they will fair better in a zombie apocalypse, but they are still fat.  Running + calorie deficit, I buy that, but the calorie deficit alone would lose the weight.

3.  Cheat days are bull****. There's nothing wrong with treating yourself every once in a while, but if you feel so deprived that you need to go nuts on a weekly basis, then your doing it wrong.  I love my food.  I feel no need for cheat days because I lose weight and am satisfied.

4. If your are watching Dr. Oz for weight loss advice, turn of the tv, put on some shoes, and do some exercise.  If he had the secret to losing weight, Oprah would be thin.  The last time I checked, she had a zillion dollars and is still fat.  If he can't help his own rich friends, what makes you think he can help you.

5. What's with all the hate on carbs.  I've lost 30lbs in 3 months eating carbs.  Not every person can eat every food, but carbs are not the enemy.  Refined carbs contribute to metabolic syndrome.  Whole grains fight it.  

6. The glycemic index is bull.  It doesn't measure food as it is eaten.  Who eats potatoes without fat.  It also doesn't take into consideration that people's response to food changes through out the day.  Cereals not as big a deal in the afternoon as it is in the morning.

7. **** the government.  The FDA is full of ****. The USDA is full of ****.  They subsidize corn and the nasty crap they call meat that they sell at McDonalds.  They wouldn't know good nutrition if it bit them on the behind.  The government=politics.  Politics=**** food.  The corporations that make the sludge and sell it to us as food make real food for the rest of the world.  The rest of the world bans the **** we eat. Soda doesn't taste nasty outside the US.  McDonalds is real food everywhere else.  

8. If you take multivitamins, eat real food.  Then, you won't need them.  I take some vitamins for deficiencies in my diet, but I get most of my vitamins from food.  If you don't, then what the **** are you eating.

9 If you are not rehabbing an injury, stay away from the pink/colored dumbbells.  There is no point to lifting weights lighter than your purse.

10. Why eat breakfast as soon as you wake up?  I don't, and I don't see the point.  I don't eat until after I expended some energy. I know there are all these studies on how people who don't eat breakfast are fatter than people who do.  Maybe people who don't eat breakfast eat at the vending machine before lunch or eat extra doughnuts at the office.  Correlation doesn't prove causation.  

11. Eating at night doesn't make you fat.  Calories don't know time.  Duh. People who eat late at night are fat because they eat pork rinds at 2am watching infomercials for salad slicers.

12.  Have you ever seen anyone promote a beach body product who wasn't trying to sell it to you?  I haven't....

13. If your are doing HIIT, you are probably wasting your time.  HIIT is great for increasing your VO2 max and going from being a good athlete to a better athlete, but if you aren't already athletic, you are probably not doing real HIIT and/or will hurt yourself trying.  Athletes will do HIIT 6-8 times and then go back to what they were doing before.  It burns more fat than steady state cardio, but neither of them burn that much fat.  OMG, I lost .9lbs of fat in 12 weeks instead of .1lbs of fat in 12 weeks.  Both outcomes are terrible.  One is HIIT terrible and one is steady state cardio terrible, pick your poison.

14. If you are trying to lose fat, consider taking a break from eating.  Not a long break.  Even 12 hours would do you some good.  Increase your insulin sensitivity, burn more fat.  Your body won't shut down.  You won't go into "starvation mode." 

I think that's it for now, but if I think of anything else that people don't want me to say, then I will add it.

Edited to add 

15. Women-stop blaming your muscles.  They are not the reason you are bulky.  You are bulky because you haven't lost the fat above, beneath, or in between your muscles.  Women have for intramuscular fat than men.  If you don't lose it, you look bulky.  Lift heavy, lose the fat, and be lean and awesome.

 

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Is there a like button? Thanks for sharing!!

Good idea for a thread, but I have an idea as to why people eat right after waking up...because they have to be somewhere shortly afterwards where they don't have access to food or time to eat it. Like work. Or school.

No hate :) I agree with a lot of the stuff said here.
Original Post by bundt_royale:

Good idea for a thread, but I have an idea as to why people eat right after waking up...because they have to be somewhere shortly afterwards where they don't have access to food or time to eat it. Like work. Or school.

Yep.  I have to eat at 5:30 am because I leave for work at 6... and then I don't get lunch break until noon.  Work has forced me to become an early-morning breakfast eater.

ETA- and I work in a chemistry lab, so I obviously can't bring food in there.

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I think Smashley is pretty dead on.

She does mention one thing that I do by choice, but not because I believe it is any better. I eat several small meals per day but it is purely because I like to graze for most of the day, not because I think six smaller meals is better then eating three good size meals. My husband is the opposite of me and eats three times per day, but it's just his personal preference.
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The way I'm reading this thread is that SOME of these things didn't work for you... therefore you've concluded that they don't work for everyone. You are entitled to your opinion, but you shouldn't spout these things as fact. On a lot of them, you're dead on though (the Dr Oz crap, eating at night, weight-loss supplements, FDA being full of ****, etc.).

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I've got nothing but mad respect for Smashley. She does some pretty decent research and provides solid advice.

People just seem to think that Dr. Oz is the best authority for weight loss, but most of his advice is ridiculous. I have been surprised the few times he actually said something I agree with.

@ MsDalfo

I am a part of everyone, so if they don't work for me, then they don't work for everyone.  I assume you meant, I don't think they work for anyone.  

I don't think that all of the things in this thread are bad.  I just don't think they do what people think they do.  

I love running.  I'm fat, and I don't think that running will make me not fat (for that I eat at a calorie deficit and lift weights), but I still try to run at least 3 times a week.

I run because I think its fun; I like being outside.  I like any reason to listen to Florence + the Machine, and I could stand to improve my cholesterol and triglyceride levels.  

There's nothing wrong with doing things for good reasons, but there is something wrong with doing something expecting results that won't happen.

I also don't hate breakfast.  If first thing in the morning is when you have time to eat, eat.  I have time to eat later, and I choose to. I don't think that people should eat first thing in the morning and expect it to be the magic cure to weight loss.  90% of Americans eat breakfast, and 50% of Americans are fat.  It's not working for at least 40% of Americans.  

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You're also a part of "anyone," so I don't see how my word choice was confusing or incorrect.

Eating breakfast isn't going to magically make you lose weight, so I don't see how it "isn't working" for a percentage of Americans... It's not working IN CONJUNCTION with their other eating habits, sure.
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Anyone who thinks that one thing alone (I.e. eating breakfast) is going to drastically change their appearance is deluding themselves, I will agree with you there.

word.  

The anarchist in me especially likes #7!

Original Post by smashley23:

2. Running is awesome, but it is not the key to losing fat.  It will help you improve your cholesterol levels, triglycerides, you might feel good afterwards, but it makes you more efficient at burning fat, which is not desirable.  You want your body to be inefficient at burning fat, so it has to burn more fat.  Have you ever seen a fat person run to being a thin person?  I haven't.  I've seen fat people who couldn't run become fat people who could run, and they will fair better in a zombie apocalypse, but they are still fat.  Running + calorie deficit, I buy that, but the calorie deficit alone would lose the weight.

 

This is my favorite :)

I actually agree with pretty much everything. And with #10, I myself recently discovered: light workout and/or walking the dog before breakfast and I love it! So I agree 100% with expending energy before eating (but yes I currently have the time to do so, unlike early workers). I do eat/graze throughout the day and stopping eating after dinner (no evening grazing) but cause I want to, no other reasoning. 

Thanks for the post :)

Everyone is not the same as anyone, which is my point.  Contrast:

"The way I'm reading this thread is that SOME of these things didn't work for you... therefore you've concluded that they don't work for everyone" (which is necessarily true based on the definition of everyone and the fact that I am human)

with

"The way I'm reading this thread is that SOME of these things didn't work for you... therefore you've concluded that they won't work for anyone" (which implies that I am making facts out of opinions-which I believe was your original point.  If it wasn't, then I don't what you are trying to say.)  

Note that those two statements are not the same.

I had to change the don't to a won't in the second sentence, so that the syntax would hold.

Except for one thing... I have flourescent pink dumbells that are twelve pounds a piece. They are heavy for me :)
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Not to quibble smashley, but multiple small meals and glycemic index were helpful to me when I had diabetes II. The benefit went away with the diabetes. I put the high glycemics back in as soon as I could. The multiple meals thing stuck with me, a hard habit to break.

Otherwise good points. I'll add one. The more weight I lost the crankier I got.
I love this thread :)

I agree with *most* of this.

Disagree that HIIT is for athletes only.  I'm no athlete, but that doesn't mean that I don't want to improve my performance.  Adding something like Tabata Sprints into your routine can only be beneficial.

Agree with the point about intermittent fasting.  I've been trying it recently - skipping breakfast and lunch - and you know what?  I didn't keel over and die from lack off food. My energy levels weren't even affected.  

If more people realised that they could survive for 12+ hours or more without food, then a lot of folk might be saved from that dirty bagel or candy bar for breakfast.

...yah, the 'starvation mode' thing really gets my goat.  'Starvation mode' can F*** off.

I agree with most of this. Especially the causation/correlation thing. I've only seen Dr. Oz once, and he was showing some "healthy versions" of "comfort foods" like mashed potatoes and chicken pot pie. The store bought chicken pot pie he was selling you was no different than a normal pot pie, except it had no crust on the bottom. Right then, I decided he was an idiot. 

I disagree with the one about pink dumbbells... I used to do some exercises with them for like 15 minutes a day, and my arms definitely toned up. and 10lb dumbbells are the ONLY arm exercise my obese mother does, and her arms are like ROCKS now. 

Also, circadian rhythm. Calories may not care what time it is, but your body does. Why are pork rinds a food? They're nasty.

Are the quotes around "starvation mode" because you don't think it's a real thing? That's what I read it as... If this is the case, while 12 hours, or even a couple days, definitely won't start it, I definitely think that it doooes happen over prolonged periods of time. Since I've been eating around 400-600 calories a day for the past couple years, and exercising (from circuit training 30 minutes/5 days a week, to 4 hours weight room/2 hours stationary biking/running 5-10km/5 hours dance/pilates/yoga each week, to belly dancing 30-45 min each day) and no matter which form/combos of exercise I did, I did not lose ANY weight after the first couple weeks, and did not gain any muscle, except for circuit training, I gained 0.5lbs in a month and my body fat % went down slightly. I always made sure I had protein, so the lack of food/starvation mode is the only explanation that I can think of. (The circuit training and weights/pilates/running things were both plans made for me specifically for weight loss by trainers.)

It kind of makes sense to me that eating 3 meals worth of food in an hour is worse than eating the same amount at different times, even if only because I'd feel like crap and be a bump on a log the rest of the day. Seems like it's kinder to my stomach. Also, I'm going to start doing this because I usually either eat once a day, or not all all each day (I'm never hungry and I just forget to eat some days.) I should be eating around 2.5 times more calories than I do, and I will get sick if I try cramming that all in one or two sittings. Doing it at 3 separate times a day is hard enough for me. So even if it iiiisn't doing anything for my metabolism to space it out, it still helps me to get enough calories. That might just be me though...

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Agreed! Awesome post!

I'm a fat runner too, and I dabble in HIIT as well. I see it as a fat loss tool although I know that it isn't as efficient as weight training. But, I am also a girl who is scared of bulking up which might have been a good thing to add to your list :D I get it that I wont, but I am only into my 2nd month of gymming so I'm trying to wean off cardio and dive head first into the weights room. Another annoying this is that the weight room is full of buffed up, steroid fuelled men who look at me suspiciously everytime I go in there! 

I just need to suck it up and do it. As they say, nothing to it but to do it!!

-M

You speak total common sense ~ refreshing to read amongst some pretty nonsensical things on here :)

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