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Calorie Count seems to be against the Paleo Diet.  I happen to think that its the best diet out there and the one that I've had effortless success with.  But all of the foods on Calorie Count are given a grade and based on the paleo diet, the grades given are just plain wrong.  Also, there's still a persistent emphasis on calories in versus calories out.  I think that we're all intelligent enough to know that while this is a factor, our bodies are just so complex that this its much more important what KIND of calories we put into our bodies and how our bodies react to the macro nutrietns in those calories.

I'll keep doing this, even if the foods that I eat have 'bad grades' or that I'm eating much fewer calories than Calorie Count thinks that I need.

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The grades should be taken with a grain of salt, regardless of what diet you are following. Some are relatively reasonable, plenty aren't. I ignore the grades completely, and I'm not paleo at all.

Calories in vs calories out does end up being the most important factor for weight loss (see the twinkie diet) and when you talk about "how our bodies react to the macronutrients in those calories" I'm going to assume that you understand that individuals might find that they react differently than others to different ratios. That's not something that a free online calorie tool can predict for you.

This is first and foremost a calorie counting website, but it does allow for a lot of flexibility in terms of setting your own nutritional goals (either by percentage or by grams), so if you know you need more protein or fat or carbs than the standard recommendation, it's very easy to adjust that in your account settings.

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What is this paleo diet? I have heard maby people talk about it and how they have lost alot of weight!! What do you eat?
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I eat anything that humans ate prior to agriculture.  So this means no grains (I'm allergic to gluten, so this wasn't terrably hard for me), sugars, processed junk or dairy (I occasionally have cheese because it is low carb).  Essentially, its a very low carb diet that focuses on meat, eggs, vegetables and the occasional fruit (when i eat fruit, I tend to eat berries since the fructose is lower and the fiber is higher in these types of fruits).

There are a lot of great resources online.

And really, I keep at it because I feel awesome.  The first week was very strange - I didn't feel like I had sacrificed anything, so imagine my surprise when I would be losing as much as a pound a day!  It took away any and all of my cravings - in fact, I often have to remind myself to eat because I'm just not hungry the way that I used to be (and then I feel really ill when I forget to eat).  I would recommend that anyone at least tries it for a couple of weeks.

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Wow! It sounds very interesting! I would love to lose a pound a day!:) I will definitely look into it!! Do you think that if I decide to start this lifestyle I could still drink my almond milk?
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If it has added sugar, then I would say no or else find a version with no additives.  However, nuts are completely allowed in moderation.

The secret to losing weight that quickly is definitely to count carbs much more than calories - I attempt to stay under 50g of carbs.  So, if you can have almond milk while staying low carb, then go for it!

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Thanks:) I drink the unsweetened kind and it has only 1 net carb.
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Jul 30 2012 19:26
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Paleo Diet usually means following Sisson or Cordain religiously. The most common feature is wheat-avoidance.

If you want to eat ancestrally - more what paleos actually ate - you'd be eating a macro ratio like the 50% carb Med diet and you'd be eating meat in that diet. Chances are you'd get a good cc grade.

Bad grades result from bad choices. If you're avoiding vegetables and fruit and eating a lot of fat you're not eating ancestrally. Real paleos didn't eat fat the way modern ones do. They didn't have the cooking vessels necessary to render enough fat to eat a great quantity of it. Their animals weren't perpetually fat. And there were no butter sticks or bacon available to them. Those highly processed foods are more Neolithic than wheat. The pigs and cows necessary for these foods were not domesticated until millenia after humans started eating wild emmer wheat. I conclude that a diet high in saturated fat would have been a rarity in paleolithic times.

Thinking of paleo as just a diet leaves out hunt-and-gather activity. Leaving that out is not optional, because it affects metabolism more than the food you choose to eat.

Original Post by RositaPink:

Wow! It sounds very interesting! I would love to lose a pound a day!:) I will definitely look into it!! Do you think that if I decide to start this lifestyle I could still drink my almond milk?

If you are truly interested and don't mind a bit of reading I recommend.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-gui de-to-the-primal-eating-plan/#axzz227aVSaFN

The Leptin RX is a good plan that includes eating Paleo/Primal.

http://jackkruse.com/jacks-blog/page/21/

I suggest reading posts 1-5 and 16 starting from the bottom.  The first two give you an introduction to Jack Kruse and why he is blogging.  The others are all about Leptin...a very important hormone to say the least.  It may be a bit confusing..he isn't the best writer but there is a ton of good and helpful information.  Eventually it would be good to read all his blogs...but that's a ton.

 

Original Post by RositaPink:

Wow! It sounds very interesting! I would love to lose a pound a day!:) I will definitely look into it!! Do you think that if I decide to start this lifestyle I could still drink my almond milk?

*sigh*

Losing a pound a day of real mass is (1) impossible and trying is (2) not healthy, it'll just be (3) water weight anyway.

You can lose weight on any diet you want to follow. Just eat less than you burn and presto. Heck, eat straight up grease if you want. You'll lose weight.

it's all about calories. people just don't seem to get that for some reason

Maybe its not just about calories for everyone...there are hormones and many other factors.  Calories in calories out is true for those that have no issues with their metabolism.  It isn't for everyone.

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Maybe its not just about calories for everyone...there are hormones and many other factors.  Calories in calories out is true for those that have no issues with their metabolism.  It isn't for everyone.

Hormones affect your BMR. BMR is measured in calories.

it's still about calories in - calories out, don't matter how you cut it.

 

ETA: They may make it harder, but it remains a calorie game.

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Original Post by raiken3712:

Maybe its not just about calories for everyone...there are hormones and many other factors.  Calories in calories out is true for those that have no issues with their metabolism.  It isn't for everyone.

Hormones affect your BMR. BMR is measured in calories.

it's still about calories in - calories out, don't matter how you cut it.

 

ETA: They may make it harder, but it remains a calorie game.

It remains a factor it isn't the totality....plus even if you get down to the ideal weight on hohos you will feel like crap and won't be very healthy will you?  If you follow the Leptin RX I linked to and Jack Kruse's posts preferably with the help of a good doctor you will lose the weight and be healthy.

http://paleophysiciansnetwork.com/

Some good doctors.

Just one good example of what Paleo can do.

http://robbwolf.com/2011/11/18/sean-paleo-typ e-1-diabetes-endurance/

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Calorie Count seems to be against the Paleo Diet.  I happen to think that its the best diet out there and the one that I've had effortless success with.  But all of the foods on Calorie Count are given a grade and based on the paleo diet, the grades given are just plain wrong.  Also, there's still a persistent emphasis on calories in versus calories out.  I think that we're all intelligent enough to know that while this is a factor, our bodies are just so complex that this its much more important what KIND of calories we put into our bodies and how our bodies react to the macro nutrietns in those calories.

I'll keep doing this, even if the foods that I eat have 'bad grades' or that I'm eating much fewer calories than Calorie Count thinks that I need.

Yes, Calorie Count is pretty much conventional mindset...and this probably won't change.  Its nice that you can set your own things...but having presets that fit more with Paleo or Food grades would be cool

Paleo Calorie count...would be neat.  The food grades would be radically different and the nutrition requirements would be too.  Much of the paleosphere isn't into calorie counting though so will probably never have that.  Plus its just not needed that much ...would be interesting though.

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Jul 30 2012 22:02
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Yeah calorie counting is conventional. It became that way because it works so well.

But if you're feeling peckish or that the world hates you, link up with apple man Mark or bacon-and-eggs man Jack. You only live once. Why not experiment a little before you have to use old boring calorie counting.

Nothing new about eating their gouty old man's diet of fat and meat when you think about it...they're doing a tired retread of the Olde English diet, which is why the French nicknamed them "roastbifs".

Its pretty obvious you don't like Jack or Mark have you tried any of it or are you just assuming its bad because its not conventional.  Oh whatever to each his own.

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Jul 30 2012 22:32
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No I don't like them raiken. I'm practicing paleo the best way I can determine by reading the ancestral records. They're Paleo.

I lost 50 pounds calorie counting and have kept it off for 5 years. The food avoidance strategies those two propose are entirely contrary to what I did, and not much different from Atkins original ketosis scheme. They depend on minions like you to wave their little bibles in other peoples faces. You're their minion when you post their links. You're their minion when you criticize the practice of counting calories.

There are two things which I see that are indisputably paleo. Meat eating and hunt-and-gather. I intersect with Paleo (pat pending, trademark) on the meat. But the part about gorging on fat, eating fish oil capsules and other dietary supplements,  not eating carbs or fruit, and sitting around doing nothing is not the way paleos lived.

Real paleo peopel ate fruit, veggies, nuts, seeds, and hunted their meat and fished for their fish.

The diet without an active lifesyle is no better than any other diet without an active lifestyle.

Get off your booty. Eat real food. You don't need to follow any diet to know that.

Where did Mark Sisson or Jack Kruse ever talk about sitting around doing nothing?  Neither one is for sitting around doing nothing.

Monday – Sprint
Tuesday – Lift Heavy Things
Wednesday – Move Slowly, Play or Rest
Thursday – HIIT
Friday – Move Slowly, Play or Rest
Saturday – Lift Heavy Things
Sunday – Move Slowly, Play or Rest


Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-bluepri nt-workout-plan-basics/#ixzz229IikGQ4 How does that equate to what you said?

"If you decide to incorporate working out, do it after 5 PM."  This is for during the Leptin RX limited time.

"7.  Critical point: The best time to work out biologically occurs when it is least likely to be convenient for you because of our neolithic lives wont allow it.  I re-tooled my entire schedule as a surgeon to make this work optimally for me to lose weight and change my body.  It is that important biologically to get to optimal.  1-5 PM is the ideal workout window.  For best results, try to do the exercise in bright sunlight."

http://jackkruse.com/so-you-completed-the-lep tin-rx-what-is-next/

Both posts The Leptin RX and this post about after the Leptin RX both mention exercising and on several occasions hes talked about doing HIT when Leptin Sensitive. 

 

 

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Jul 30 2012 23:02
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No, I credit "doing nothing" specifically to Taubes, who goes out of his way to cite examples of people that have gained weight by exercising. With the others it's a matter of emphasis: 1000 words on diet tweaks to every word about exercise. It should be the opposite. Hunt-and-gather is exactly what it says. It disappoints me that none of them says the obvious. Get off the mechanical means of transportation and start moving the way your ancestors had to to get their food. It's just so much more chichi to say "lift heavy things".

What part of minion don't you understand? Is the apple man paying for ad placement? These same conventional boring links to the apple man's site have been posted up by other minions for the five years I've been here.

I wish I were getting paid....no actually I just hope someone reads about it and gets healthier because of it.  You seem to think its completely unhealthy.  I think you are wrong...because I'm some minion I suppose I don't have any logic and am therefore wrong on everything.

They focus on diet over exercise because they believe diet matters more than exercise.  You can exercise till you drop without being healthy.  If you eat a diet full of Twinkies even if the calorie amount is ok and exercise  in a way you would consider healthy are you going to be healthy?  You think exercise matters more they think diet matters more...but neither you or they would say the other side doesn't matter.  Diet and exercise are important regardless of which side is more important.

As for food choices do what works best for you.  If you find having more carbohydrate and less fat works better for you I'm glad its working.

 

 

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