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I'm new here and I'm just wondering why people choose to use diet pills? I don't mean you guys on here but people in general.

The reason I'm wondering this is because it seems to me (and from what I've heard and read) is that diet pills work (well some of them) and you do lose weight but then once you stop taking them the weight comes back.

Do people intend to stay on them all their life or just use them for a while? What happens when they stop taking them?

I understand that diet pills are often used as part of a diet (exercise and healthy eating) and a diet doesn't just have to be a diet but a life change i.e. old habits have to go being replaced with new ones. So does this life change of exercise and healthy eating help keep the weight off when the diet pills stop? Surely if you're exercising and eating healthy whilst taking the diet pills the weight is still going to creep back on when you stop the diet pills even if you are still sticking to the exercise and healthy eating, right?

I just can't see how these pills can work if what I've wrote above is the case. People can't stay on them forever, right?

What are your thoughts on this?

 

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Original Post by kristythin:

Hi Everyone ♥

I'm new here and I'm just wondering why people choose to use diet pills? I don't mean you guys on here but people in general.

The reason I'm wondering this is because it seems to me (and from what I've heard and read) is that diet pills work (well some of them) and you do lose weight but then once you stop taking them the weight comes back.

Do people intend to stay on them all their life or just use them for a while? What happens when they stop taking them?

I understand that diet pills are often used as part of a diet (exercise and healthy eating) and a diet doesn't just have to be a diet but a life change i.e. old habits have to go being replaced with new ones. So does this life change of exercise and healthy eating help keep the weight off when the diet pills stop? Surely if you're exercising and eating healthy whilst taking the diet pills the weight is still going to creep back on when you stop the diet pills even if you are still sticking to the exercise and healthy eating, right?

I just can't see how these pills can work if what I've wrote above is the case. People can't stay on them forever, right?

What are your thoughts on this?

 

That's not true. Some diet pills, like thermogenics do work very well. They increase  your metabolism, so you burn more calories giving you a greater caloric deficit, loosing weight faster. Indeed, you need to have a caloric deficit or they won't work of course. And if you abuse them, as always, the human body is very efficient and your metabolism will apadpt and after a while those pills aren't doing anything. But they work very well if you follow a healthy diet and exercise plan. They boost your weight loss process. Of course there a lot of fake pills and companies that just want to take the money from desperate people who believe a pill will do all the work for them. That's not true, but using them wisely can indeed help you. Beside thermogenics, there are a lot more like appetite suppressors, fat blockers, starch blockers and so on. I guess the list must be endless. That's why it's an industry that makes a lot of money. Well, my personal opinion it's they don't worth the money it cost...

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Original Post by tasribeiro:
That's why it's an industry that makes a lot of money. 

No, it's an industry that makes lots of money because people would rather pay money for a pill than take the time to do it the healthy way.

As another poster once said, I could bottle my dog's piss, sell it as a weight loss supplement, and people would buy it.

Original Post by amethystgirl:

Original Post by tasribeiro:
That's why it's an industry that makes a lot of money. 

No, it's an industry that makes lots of money because people would rather pay money for a pill than take the time to do it the healthy way.

As another poster once said, I could bottle my dog's piss, sell it as a weight loss supplement, and people would buy it.

Yeah, that's what i wanna said with that. lol. And the products in those pills may boost your metabolism but at what cost for your health? It can take a bit longer but healthy lifestyle it's healthier and it's for life. not a quickfix.

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Appetite Suppressants birzai
Jan 25 2010 16:55
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I started using diet pills (appetite suppressants) and just cant believe i cant even eat half of what i used to .

How many of you used appetite suppressants and which ones ?

The ones i use are all natural and cost about £50 for 40 days,anyone knows any cheaper ones ?

Thanks.

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Hi Kajungirltn: those were powerful words.Smile I am so happy things are working out for you Smile  I agree, for one reason or another med diet pills aren't for everyone.

My beef is  when others are belittled if they do take them b/c for me and it seems for you too, they are a life saver. Thanks for your input to this discussion. I like to hear as many stories as possible, but hope they all turn out as well as mine.

 

The most important thing (as you already stated) is that if you don't change your lifestyle then you won't mainstain your weightloss, pills or no pills.

Cheers everyone.Smile

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Thanks to all of you for sharing your stories !

I know what you mean about knowing whats healthy and good for you,and whats not,but to control your hunger is different thing .

When i told my work mates that i was taking slimming pills,they all said same thing : just go on a diet . And they are all skinny (uk size 8 i would say) they really dont know what dieting to lose weight feels like.They dont understand that being hungry all the time can drive you crazy and in the end you just give up,open the fridge and enjoy the food.

 

 

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You are sooo right! When I becme really hungry, I feel nauseous, a shaky, just plain lousy. When you feel like that, its hard not to give in and eat something you shouldn't.  At this point it has NOTHING to do with self-control and everything to do with intense hunger to the point of illness, where you just have to eat or you can't function. I don't think people who are naturally thin can possibly understand this. Sometimes for me it was like standing outside my body watching myself gorge and not being able to do anything about it! A total lack of control which I   couldn't seem to do anything about , no matter how hard I wanted to. Some  peope though, have absolutely no  concept, understanding of this, and therefore they just don't get it, and feel that we just need to diet, eat less, blah, blah, blah...

 

I am sure a lot of you undertand what I am saying.

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Jan 28 2010 15:36
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You are sooo right! When I becme really hungry, I feel nauseous, a shaky, just plain lousy. When you feel like that, its hard not to give in and eat something you shouldn't.  At this point it has NOTHING to do with self-control and everything to do with intense hunger to the point of illness, where you just have to eat or you can't function. I don't think people who are naturally thin can possibly understand this. Sometimes for me it was like standing outside my body watching myself gorge and not being able to do anything about it! A total lack of control which I   couldn't seem to do anything about , no matter how hard I wanted to. Some  peope though, have absolutely no  concept, understanding of this, and therefore they just don't get it, and feel that we just need to diet, eat less, blah, blah, blah...

 

I am sure a lot of you undertand what I am saying.

Yes, we do!!!! I understand now, but didn't always. I was thin most of my life, so I know where each side is coming from. It seemed so simple back then. "Eat less, weight less". It wasn't until I quit smoking and started eating when I was stressed that I had a weight problem. Then, I tried to just eat less. Didn't work for very long each time I tried. I would get dizzy, lightheaded or just feel uncontrollable. It is highly psychological at that point, but you still feel the hunger, so you eat. My body adjusted to getting a large amount of food and calories and it wasn't so easy to just eat less anymore.

My mom is ecstatic that I understand what she was going through all the years. I was the skinny one and she was always struggling with her weight. Now, I understand. She calls me every week to see how much I've lost. She is one of the ones that just "can't" take diet pills of any kind. So, I understand that part too. It's really is not for everyone.

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Jan 28 2010 16:57
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Eating whole foods will suppress your appetite naturally. I don't believe in diet pills even under a Dr supervision, I was addicted to them in high school and I really believe they are as bad as any other drug. Not to offend, not everyone has issues with addiction, but I do. Addicted to fat salt sugar, this is how I became obese. I say proper diet and exercise and you don't need them! Best wishes, Sarah

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Jan 28 2010 17:25
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I understand this is a food addiction, much like any other drug addiction. YES I HAVE A FOOD ADDICTION, and much like a heroin addict or coke addict, I had withdrawals "When I became really hungry, I feel nauseous, a shaky, just plain lousy" these are withdrawal symptoms. Yes you are more likely to overindulge when you reach this point but if you are eating the right foods and eating regularly there is no reason to reach this point. These symptoms will reduce with time, I'm speaking from experience. I think it is important to eat healthy filling foods regularly every 2-3 hours. choose the right foods and healthy portion sizes, eat till your satisfied but not full and your appetite will decrease over time. Learning not to overeat is a big challenge, one I have not yet gotten past yet, but as I said it has gotten much better with time and when I make the right choices it is far less likely to be an issue. It is important to be prepared, keep a healthy snack with you at all times, then if you can't grab a meal you can still stave off the hunger beast and avoid making it to the point where you feel "A total lack of control". I don't mean to seem like a hypocrite, but I had a bad diet pill addiction in high school and yes they were provided by a Dr. and I received regular medical attention while taking them but it became an addiction and I still had negative lasting effects from taking them. Sarah

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Sarah,good to know that you are doing very well without pills . But what do you mean by "i dont believe in diet pills " ? Are you saying they dont work ? If thats what you are saying,then you are wrong,because as you can see from this thread,there are so many people who use appetite suppressants with great results.I am not under Dr. supervision,i buy natural appetite suppressants in my local food store,and i am glad i found them.I have lost weight with dieting before(counting calories) and everytime with results i wanted.But the thing is,i was moody,because i was always hungry,it was really hard,some days i would just feel like giving up,so i would overeat,then feel bad about it,and start all over again the next day . When i would reach my goal,start eating maintenance calories,but as time goes by,start eat more and more.And after 6 month or so,i am back just where i was.And then i do all over again . After 2-3 years of yo-yo dieting you realise there is no point of making yourself feel so hungry and moody while trying to lose weight,because after all this hard work it will all just come back again,and i will be just where i started.Thats why i started looking for some easier ways to lose weight.And with appetite suppressants it can not get any easier. There are no otherways that would make me feel so good while losing weight .

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Jan 28 2010 21:04
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First off like I said I had a very bad experience with diet pills, and this is my opinion, I am not basing this off science just experience, personal and what I have read here and elsewhere. It is not that I don't believe that diet pills work, I just don't believe they are necessary for weight loss, for anyone! I believe that they make weight loss easier, but as you read from the thread people who do not learn to develop a healthy relationship with food and healthy eating habits will just regain the weight. You said yourself "i would reach my goal,start eating maintenance calories,but as time goes by,start eat more and more" if a person is making the right choices and learning to make it through the struggles tough as it is, and over time reducing the volume of food they eat their appetite will lessen naturally. On the other hand if one looses weight with diet pills or by any means and doesn't build healthy habits the weight comes back. Diet pills are made to be used short term so if the problem isn't loosing weight but keeping the weight off as it is for a lot of people (you), then you are not gaining anything from the pills. If the problem is that your appetite is too large it is better to learn how to healthfully reduce your appetite or when you are no longer taking them the weight will come back, again being pointless to have taken them to begin with. I don't believe that "There are no other ways that would make me feel so good while losing weight" And the question is, is it the diet pills that are making you "feel so good" or is it the weight loss? If it is the diet pills then maybe they are affecting more than just your weight? " I was moody,because i was always hungry,it was really hard,some days i would just feel like giving up" I am not sure if you mean give up on dieting or on yourself, moodiness and  appetite changes are both associated with depression. I am not trying to degrade your decision but I think it is important for people to know that it's not just candy and rainbows. I really suggest to any and everyone using any kind of supplement, consider finding healthy natural alternatives. Drinking water or tea, chewing gum, eating a big plate of greens before a meal are all good alternatives to stave off hunger. These are habits that can last a life time and I think that "After 2-3 years of yo-yo dieting" you should realize that there may be other underlying issues that need to be addressed. Please don't take this as criticism, that is not at all my intention, I am not trying to convince you to stop taking your diet pills, but I think others who are considering using diet pills (and may read this) should hear both sides of the story. Just know that taking any kind of diet pill especially without a Dr's supervision can be very dangerous, natural or not. There are a lot of tools to loosing weight, I am still finding out information that helps me every day. Just to be clear I am not claiming to be the holy grail of weight loss, I weigh 232lbs. I started at 289 and  I have yo-yo dieted since my teen years, I am now trying to address my own personal "underlying issues" and overcome the need to overeat, binge eat, crash diet, etc. I just want to be healthy and be able to maintain. Sarah

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Only because they work (so far) for the handful of people who have posted here, doesn't mean they work in general, or that any weightloss is maintained upon giving them up.

The forum has thousands of members and a few people said here they seem to be working.  That to me isn't evidence, sorry.

Perhaps there are one or two prescription medication items that make a difference, but literally millions of people complain all the time that "I tried every pill you can buy and nothing worked".

I totally agree with chick, what works in the end (and not just temporarily) is a change in lifestyle, healthy eating, not overeating, exercising and developing a bit of willpower.

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No body is saying that they work for everyone, but for some they pave the  pathway to lasting success. I am one of them. I do take offense at people saying that "you need to eat whole grain foods and have snacks on hand". I  knownwhat to do and what not to do. I know . For me  it was a psyhological problem along with famly history and a slow metabolism.  We all know what we should and shouldn't do, the problem is following what we know. I plan on following what I know and staying healthy once the weight is gone. Also, the med. I take has been proven to not be addictive or I wouldn't take it. I have faith in my Dr. that she wouldn't put me on anything that would harm me, and as she said "the good far outways the bad" in my case. and I feel she is right. You can't say diet meds. are wrong for everyone, just as I can't say they are right for everyone. But they do help millions of people around the world and thank goodness for that!

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And the question is, is it the diet pills that are making you "feel so good" or is it the weight loss? --> Why dont you read all posts ? Because the answer is already there !

And those who say that we need a change in lifestyle (healthy eating,drinking water,tea,eating veg and fruit and blah blah blah) Again ... why dont you spend few minutes reading this thread ? What makes you think that all i eat is junk food,dont eat veg and fruit,dont drink water,tea ... ? I think i already said twice on this thread,i dont need advice on what to eat and what not to eat,because i know that already ! I know whats good and whats bad .

I drink lots of water and tea and coffee everyday.I eat healthy foods,i cook myself,and i eat veg with my meals,for snaks i have fruit,apple or banana.Sometimes i do have pizza or fish and chips,not very often,but i do sometimes .Thats not only when i am trying to lose weight,i do this everyday,thats just part of my lifestyle . And people who say that all these things (tea,water,coffee,veg,fruit) will help you lose weight are so wrong ! For those who eat ready meals everyday,dont eat much fruit and veg,drink fizzy drinks this change will help , because its a big change for them,but for those who eat healthily everyday anyway,it doesnt help to lose weight  in any way,because they already getting all the benefits !

The problem here is not that we dont know what to eat and what not to eat,whats good and whats bad,we already know all that,so please stop giving same advice 100's of times.The problem we got here is hunger ! The pills we are taking are not fat burners,they are to help control  hunger !And those who say drink water,tea,coffee and eat healthy/low calorie snacks and you wont feel so hungry , you are so wrong,i do all that,so why do i feel so hungry ?They give very little help .

How can people give advice,when they got no idea what they talking about,or how we feel ? lol

 

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I agree with you birsai, its offensive to be told that I don't need them or that they are bad. I come here for postive and helpful  advice and support, not to be told what I am doing wrong. We don't know each others history  so we can't possibly  tell someone they aren't doing the right things.

 

Lets please keep it positive, helpful and supportive. Thank you.

 

Please keep negative mean opinions to yourself when you have NO IDEA  what you  are talkig about. "Walk a mile in my shoes"!  Do not judge, least you be judged!

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Wow, ever heard of just posting the link to said thread?  BTW...I like to judge, it's fun!

If people are allowed to have an "I'm happy; you're happy; let's all take diet pills" thread, then others are allowed to  have a "there are no proper double blind scientific studies showing that any of the safe diet pills work" thread.  The ones that have been proven to work have also been pulled off the market for being dangerous.  You can decide for yourself whether or not that's a coincidence.

Original Post by susiecue:

If people are allowed to have an "I'm happy; you're happy; let's all take diet pills" thread, then others are allowed to  have a "there are no proper double blind scientific studies showing that any of the safe diet pills work" thread.  The ones that have been proven to work have also been pulled off the market for being dangerous.  You can decide for yourself whether or not that's a coincidence.

 But Susie, if you don't agree with her you MUST be judging her.  You are thinking way too logically.

soozsb.. before getting offended by those that do not agree maybe you should look at some of our opinions and try to understand how offensive we can also take the kind of thinking that you are pushing. In your last post you said "I come here for positive and helpful  advice and support, not to be told what I am doing wrong".

What exactly is positive and helpful  advice and support? The way I am taking it you mean cosigning things you don't agree with to keep from offending certain people.

Many people come in here from many backgrounds, histories and experiences, but they do have one thing in common. A weight loss story. If someone has had a bad experience with or generally has a negative viewpoint of diet pills, don't you think that they at least believe what they are saying and that they are coming from a point of trying to be supportive and helpful? Not everything has to be taken as a personal insult. Most peoples opinions are not based on or about you per say, but what is in them. When a question comes up in a forum such as this it is normal that opinions will vary and sometimes in extreme ways, but no one is here because they aren't going through it and no one is giving out advice that they don't believe. Whether or not that advice and those opinions are for you is up to you to sort out.

As for my opinion:

Most of the people who use calorie counting as a way of losing weight are coming from a very specific and health conscious base. They didn't choose calorie counting because they were just looking to fix the immediate problem. It's about lifestyle, and coming from that point it is very difficult to understand why anyone would choose to do something that not only loads you down with a bunch of chemicals you don't need but can not be financially or physically sustainable (your body will adapt. As with all medications, over time you will need more and more to get the same effect).

If someone is believing they are experiencing physical withdrawal from food that makes them sick, or are truly struggling with it in a big way, they need to take smaller steps and ease into the program instead of just jumping in with both feet and medicating to try to make it happen. Instead, after figuring out what you are used to taking in, just reduce your calorie intake in smaller increments. Maybe a couple of hundred less a week. Allow yourself and your body time to get used to it and find a good doctor or nutritionist to help you.

If you need additional help.. don't be afraid to hop on line and find the closest OA (over eaters anonymous) meeting. It's free. Full of people just like all of us and they can teach you invaluable tools both about how to eat as well as dealing with why.

 

kristythin,

I'm just curious, and somewhat concerned... is your profile pic that Australian model who died recently because she was too thin? Because I hope that's not what you're trying to look like. It's unhealthy and not attractive. I know that Karl Lagerfield would have all of us women believe that unless our ribs are showing, we're "fat little houses" as he says, but the honest truth is that a healthy set of abs are a lot healthier and more attractive!

Just my unwanted, un asked for opinion! :)

Thanks for all the replies :) However, no one has seemed to answer my question of, what happens when you stop taking the diet pills? It's plain logic that when you stop taking something like that that the weight is going to creep back on. It's bound to.

I don't mean to offend anyone who is taking them, and great, if they're working for you then good. But what are you plans when you come off them? Do you plan to stay on them forever? How will you keep your metabolism up (that's if they're the kind of diet pills that speed up your metabolism)? Or how will you keep your body from blocking fat (that's if they're the kind of diet pills that block fat)? ATM a pill is doing that for you, it's artificial, your body is not doing it on its own, a pill is doing it for your body. How do you keep something like that up, even with diet and exercise. I presume people who are on diet pills on doing that already though (diet and exercise).

This is NOTHING personal. Just simple questions buzzing around in my head :)

xx

The kind I am taking, my Dr. will only allow me to take for a year or until my BMI comes under the 30 range. They are just appetite suppressants, and so far science has been unable to find anything that can really speed up your metabolism, but hhere's hoping.

I am calorie counting right now and going to the gym five days a week.(just had the gym fitness instructor plan a new (boy is it hard, lol ) plan for me, which I am starting this week. What can bring up your metabolism is weight lifting and cardio, and I do both. That will def. help the weight loss. The medication is an aid for, for now, until I have learned what it is my body needs to maintain a healthy weight once I 've met my goal. As I lose weight, my stomach has shrunk and I now need less food to satisfy me, and that will only improve as I continue to lose weight. Right now , I eat healthy, gets losts of exercise and turn to friends and family for support when I need it. As I said above, meds are really not for everyone, but no matter what others decision is, I give them my whole hearted support and best wishes that they find whatever it takes for them to meet their goals, whether it be medication, meditation, support, all natural supplements... whatever. I also give my promise that I will not bash your way of doing it, I will give whatever support you ask, I will not criticize or penalize you and I will only hope for the very best for you. Good luck to all of you, and here's hoping you meet your goal.Smile

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Thanks for all the replies :) However, no one has seemed to answer my question of, what happens when you stop taking the diet pills?

 I dont know what happens but i will find out in 30 days and i will let you know  lol . I am not taking fat burners,i am using appetite suppressants (40 day course) .Everyones got an opinion,some say you get addicted to them,some say you will gain all the weight back twice as fast,well i dont know how it is,but in 30 days i will finish my 40 day course and i will see what happens after that .Will i get adicted to them ? Will i run to nearest shop to get some more ? will i gain all weight back within 3 weeks ?Nobody knows,but i will know for sure what happens.

What happens you ask? Well life goes. I didn't become addicted to them last time I was on them. But when I was at the end of my course of med. I did the stupidest thing a person who has lost a lot of weight can do. I went back to my old bad eating habits. I had a death in the family at the time and became very depressed and stopped caring, and of course it came back. Not quickly, it took another couple of years to gain all but 2 lbs of the weight I had lost.

Then, just recently (Sep. op) I finally came to my senses and asked myself "what am I doing to myself?"

So, what happens is if you haven't by the end of the meds realized that you have to change your lifestyle permanently, then like anyone else who is not taking appetite suppressants,  you will of course gain the weight back.

Like anyone else, whether taking meds. for support or not taking them, you must accept that a lifestyle change is in your future, permanently, as well as an exercise regime. And if you're smart, determined and  happy with the "new you", you will do what it takes to stay fit and healthy. After I stopped the pills, at first I wasn't as hungry as before b/c my stomach had shrunk and I  didn't need as much food. I had not become dependant on the pills. But like so many others, I let my emotions control what went in my mouth.

I know now that I can't do that this time. I hope this helps answer your question and if you have any more please feel free to put a question in my mailbox and I'll answer you in the best way that I can. Good luck and I hope this helped you. Smile

My GP gave me Sibutramine (basically a diet amphetamine) when I hit a 3 month plateau (after losing about 25lbs) but really should have looked harder as it turned out that one of my other medications (slow release glucophage for insulin resistance) had stopped working and that was the reason for the plateau.

I took it for 4 days and stopped because although I lost 6lbs in 4 days it made me feel like I was speeding, I had crawling skin, was going hot and cold, was spaced out and generally feeling crappy. 

I went to a different doctor who monitored my eating habits for a month before changing my glucophage - in the 3 months since I have lost a further 20lbs. 

Original Post by kristythin:

Thanks for all the replies :) However, no one has seemed to answer my question of, what happens when you stop taking the diet pills? It's plain logic that when you stop taking something like that that the weight is going to creep back on. It's bound to.

I don't mean to offend anyone who is taking them, and great, if they're working for you then good. But what are you plans when you come off them? Do you plan to stay on them forever? How will you keep your metabolism up (that's if they're the kind of diet pills that speed up your metabolism)? Or how will you keep your body from blocking fat (that's if they're the kind of diet pills that block fat)? ATM a pill is doing that for you, it's artificial, your body is not doing it on its own, a pill is doing it for your body. How do you keep something like that up, even with diet and exercise. I presume people who are on diet pills on doing that already though (diet and exercise).

This is NOTHING personal. Just simple questions buzzing around in my head :)

xx

 You are answering your own question when you say that those on pills are probably already doing diet and exercise... I don't see where you are making the jump to the weight coming back on when you quit.  I used diet pills successfully for months and did not regain.  (on the other side- there are plenty of people who do the CC method and regain!  We could start a thread about that one too...)

Basically I took them because they suppressed my appetite, and boosted my metabolism, so the weight came off more quickly and predictably than it would have via just dieting.  Now that I am off of them... nothing magical has happened to my body to make me regain weight.  I am maintaining the same eating habits I would to maintain a normal weight, and thus I am maintaining a normal weight.  I'm not sure what you are thinking diet pills do to a person.

OP, please understand that diet pills are not the healthiest way to achieve weight loss.  Your questions remind me of someone seeking information for a paper or an interview.  I am sure many will give different answers to the topic.  CC's mission is to promote healthy and sustainable weight management. 

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Well said TEALPARADISE !

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