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Starvation diet... I know its bad..but...


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Okay, so i know im going to get a lot of crap for this, but i really just want to hear from a medical dr. or someone who has gone through something similar. As of about 2 weeks ago or so, yes i did have a life changing event, but i loss the appetite to eat. Drastically the lbs started coming off. A sense of hope was created, in a loss cause as i saw it. 

I started out at 285lbs its been two weeks more or less, and im at 265 lbs. Its a big loss in weight, i have gone online and have tried a little research, but the side effects: of being fatigued, loss of sexual appetite, less going out are not effects i am having. If anything, i enjoy more going out for walks, now than i ever have. For the most part, i completely loss the appetite to eat, on occasion i will binge small, like have a cookie, or something small. My gf offers me part of her sandwich, and after a couple of bites, that notion of hunger is gone, so i stop.  

I have read that ones metabolism will slow down drastically, and weight loss will slow down, my question is what can one do to keep their metabolism high. 

I have done this once before, with a program my Dr. created where you only consume these packets (shakes) and thats it. I lost nearly 60lbs, but the problem was that i stopped, and went back to my old ways.  

Since i started this weight loss (starvation diet) I have been to a couple of Mc D's burger king..etc..and it dosent appeal to me, so hopefully this time around i wont go back to that damn fast food. 

 If anyone has suggestions, please let me know..

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stop worrying about your metabolism, this mainly happens because your stomach stops working which causes calorie burn to drop abit (a muscle which usually always works just stops working) and there's no digestion going on.

you being tired also makes your calorie burn more efficient since you do things slower with less power or not do some of the stuff you'd usually do.

anyway if you're hungry, you're losing weight.

by the way, THIS IS NOT A STARVATION DIET... starving comes after you burn out all your enegry stores (fat/muscle hypertrophy) and vital tissue aplasya is required in order to produce energy (extracting energy from muscle cells etc).

this only happens when you're at about 4%-5% body fat if you're a guy and %6-%7 body fat if you're a girl.

this is fine, though I suggest taking some blood tests (I always say this cause it's important, though I never bother checking myself so.. eh) and making sure you're not harming yourself.

just keep going as much as you can, and I suggest writing down a note or making sure that when your apetite comes on, you will think with your head and not with your stomach.
I did that. A very low cal diet gave me a temp surge in weight loss and then bottomed out with 2 weeks losing one pound each week, something I couldve done overeating on my normal diet.  I learned real quick and have been on normal calorie diet, steady loss ever since. 

Guess my body decided it was going to fight starving to death. If it hadnt happened though and kept with it, I could be breaking down cells in my organs while my body fought off starvation so in hindsight, I lucked out being snapped back to my senses.
I can't get a sense of how many calories you're eating each day - just that you have no appetite and can't really eat a complete meal.

you ask

my question is what can one do to keep their metabolism high

If you consistently eat less than your body's basic survival needs, you will lose muscle and organ tissue along with some fat.  But it's your muscles and organs that BURN calories (not fat) so losing muscle tissue LOWERS your metabolic burn rate.

Things that stoke your 'metabolic furnace'

  • eating a healthy meal
  • exercise
  • sexual activity
  • adequate sleep
Losing weight too fast is not healthy

This web site is dedicated weight loss by healthy, proven methods only. 

If the event that you mentioned has caused a complete loss of appetite, I suggest you see a medical professional to help you with that.
You know, you may want to try getting healthy stuff in your system when you are hungry.  Good stuff makes you feel good (and not the junk food high- really truely healthy and vital).  If the lack of hunger continues and you aren't eating enough to survive, you may want to see a doctor to figure out why this event in your life has so drastically altered you- because not being hungry and losing weight like that can be a symptom of other things.

When my husband died I lost all urge to eat anything at all.  I was 300 and some lbs so I am sure that would have been a shock to most people.  I lost nearly 20lbs in two weeks.

The thing is that I could feel that my body was a mess...shakes and really feeling the cold but I couldn't override the urge to not eat.   As soon as I ate full meals again (not at all overeating) it all came right back on. 

 It was only when I went on a sensible plan that I have managed to drop 50lbs and not have any of it come back on.

If you are having life issues that are making you mentally block the idea of eating then I suggest you see a doctor.  I know none of us want to do that but I have been there and sometimes you just need help. 

 

Why don't you just use the tools, provided by CC absolutely free, to determine your caloric needs and your "burn"?  Once you know how many calories you burn each day, you can adjust your intake to about 500 to 1000 less than that to lose a pound or 2 a week. 

The big problem with ultra low calorie diets (and I can't be sure from your post if that's what you're talking about) is that you can't get the RDA of important nutrients on too few calories.  That might explain the fatigue.

As for slowing metabolism, you'll have evidence of that if and when your weight loss stops. 

Original Post by gostanford420:

Okay, so i know im going to get a lot of crap for this, but i really just want to hear from a medical dr. or someone who has gone through something similar. As of about 2 weeks ago or so, yes i did have a life changing event, but i loss the appetite to eat. Drastically the lbs started coming off. A sense of hope was created, in a loss cause as i saw it.

I started out at 285lbs its been two weeks more or less, and im at 265 lbs. Its a big loss in weight, i have gone online and have tried a little research, but the side effects: of being fatigued, loss of sexual appetite, less going out are not effects i am having. If anything, i enjoy more going out for walks, now than i ever have. For the most part, i completely loss the appetite to eat, on occasion i will binge small, like have a cookie, or something small. My gf offers me part of her sandwich, and after a couple of bites, that notion of hunger is gone, so i stop.

I have read that ones metabolism will slow down drastically, and weight loss will slow down, my question is what can one do to keep their metabolism high.

I have done this once before, with a program my Dr. created where you only consume these packets (shakes) and thats it. I lost nearly 60lbs, but the problem was that i stopped, and went back to my old ways.

Since i started this weight loss (starvation diet) I have been to a couple of Mc D's burger king..etc..and it dosent appeal to me, so hopefully this time around i wont go back to that damn fast food.

If anyone has suggestions, please let me know..

 

The suggestions are great so far, its really nice to see there are people out there willing to give advise. Sorry im new to the whole forums thing.

Well my intake is very very minimal. last two days, i didnt have any food, just gaterade (my nurse friend advised me to drink, to replenish some nutrient)  Before the two days, i had one large meal..well larger than the rest in the last two weeks. I had a piece of steak, very small, and a bowl of soup. My stomach hurt so bad the following day, i didnt eat. Hence the last two days i have had no food.  I am not tired at all, actually i seem more alert. I sleep the same amount of hours i always have, my gf knows my sexual appetite has not decreased at all, if anything its more..and i feel like i had a full work out.  I just dont understand maybe its too premature, but all the side effects at least that iv read, i dont have. Is it possible for the body to be like this?  Or is it because i just have a whole lot of fat to lose, so my body can deal without for a very long time?

 

 

If you lose weight this way you are going to gain it back the second you start to eat normally again.  You need to make life long changes now in order to keep that weight off.  Your metabolism WILL slow down to match how much food you take.  Its not healthy to go for two days without eating no matter how much weight you need to lose.

I can guarantee you are not some magical exception to the rule.  What you are doing is damaging to the body.  You nurse friend is a notvery good nurse if she recommended gatorade.  That has NO nutrients in it and is mostly sugar.  It will do nothing to sustain you.

If you do not want to heed the recommendations of eating a healthy balanced diet than I suggest you stop asking for advice you are not going to get.  No one on this board should recommend you continue what you are doing.

 I am sorry you are experiencing something very hard right now and its normal to lose your appetite but you should seek medical help if it continues.  This is not some blessing in disguise and you will gain the weight back.

From what i have read, and this is no definite answer, but you body will start to eat the fat that it has stored. Once that fat has depleted, then your body will start to eat at the muscle of it? is this correct? I understand that dangers of what I'm doing. I understand that once you eat normally, you will gain it back, because your body still assumes its in starvation mode, and not a clue when it will get food again so it begins to store everything. How do you combat this? when one does begin to eat, will eating healthy food, still cause you to regain the wait? 

thanks 

 

I am currently going thru somewhat of the same thing. I'm going thru a VERY emotional time right now (See my Journal) and I have no urge to eat whatsoever. I do get hungry & when I do, I eat, but I cant eat more than a few bites at a time. I'm a tremendous worrier- the kind of worrier who gets sick to their stomach and loses their appitite. I'm just not conserned with my weight right now. Hopefully, for both our sakes gostanford420, this too shall pass.
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starving yourself, you will lose weight.

thing is that your metabolism will be messed up, and you'll put some of the weight lost back on once you start 'eating' again. 

 

Try putting yourself on a timed eating schedule.  Even if you can only manage a few bits.  You can say "okay its time to eat again", then then try to eat a sandwich or salad.  If you can't finish, okay.  But your body HAS to have food to function.  Not eating can make all your other emtional issues worse because of the strain your body is under.  You are an adult and know what you have to do.  Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and force yourself.  Like eating all your veggies kind of thing.

 

Good luck

gostanford,

I don't want to know what happened in your life that caused you to loose appetite but I think you need to figure out the root of the problem and why you are not eating anymore.

It sounds to me that not eating is your way of "dealing" with that life changing experience you mentioned. But that is not the right way to deal with things that happen in life and you know it, I'm sure that you are aware that what you are doing is not healthy.

Instead of just taking joy in the weight loss imagine just how much more joy and satisfaction you can get from loosing the weight healthily and for the long run.

You mentioned that you eat a few bites every now and then, how about you make a habit of having some small things about 6 times a day, to slowly start eating more and healthy?

Please stop what you are doing to yourself right now, it may seem like such a fantastic thing to loose all that weight so fast but your body will turn on you. It'll start having all sorts of medical problems because it cannot function properly without the right kind of nutrition.

The weight will come back if you loose it this way but you will be able to keep some of it off if you increase your food intake slowly and exercise a little. The exercise will help boosting your metabolism but only if your body has the energy (= calories) to do so.
I don't know that I would call this a starvation diet.  You stop eating when you're no longer hungry.  That's not starvation, that plain good sense.

HOWEVER, if you're eating less than 1200 calories a day, that's dangerous because you could be negatively affecting your metabolism.  If you're eating something like 800 calories or less a day, you're borderline anorexic.  (Been there, done that, not fun!) 

Metabolism aside, the danger is malnutrition.  Fast food is notoriously poor in nutrients.  Fruits, vegetables, dairy, whole grains, lean proteins . . . you know the drill. 
"Starvation diet... I know its bad..but..."

You're going to do it anyway.

"but you body will start to eat the fat that it has stored. Once that fat has depleted, then your body will start to eat at the muscle of it? is this correct?"

NO, that is not correct. If you consistently undereat (read: don't give your body the fuel it needs), you will start to burn MUSCLE tissue. Sure, some fat, too, but your body is going to jettison what costs it the most to maintain: muscle. Muscle is metabolically more active than fat.

If you're on an airplane and running out of fuel, what are you going to jettison, a cubic yard of lead, or a cubic yard of feathers? Well, the lead, of course, because it takes more fuel to carry the lead than it does the feathers.

So it is with your body. Your muscles cost more to fuel than your fat, so if you habitually undereat, or go through a period of famine (as you are doing now), your body is going to use your muscles -- burn muscle tissue -- to fuel itself, since you are not fueling your body adequately through eating.

What happens when you lose (burn off) muscle tissue? Your metabolism slows.

And what happens when you start eating again? You gain weight, and that weight isn't going to go to muscle; it'll be fat.

Hello,

 Your post on starvation diet jumped out the page for me I myself just started this diet  its been 10 days for me.  And I feel fine so far I also see that I'm not thinking about food all the time like I used too and I also dont seem to be as hungry. I'm a all or nothing type of person LOL I dont think that it the best way to be but I cant seem to be anyother way, anywho I wanted to ask you how your are doing in you diet?

Wow ignorance is sad.

 

I'm glad I get to lose weight, enjoy food, and not destroy my body because I would never starve myself. :)

really???..... where is gi-jane???Undecided

Original Post by cncantu:

 Your post on starvation diet jumped out the page for me

That seems unlikely, since this post is over a year old. So really, you searched for it.

Read the posting guidelines, especially this one:

  • Promotion of starvation diets or habits that exhibit signs of an eating disorder ("pro-ana", "pro-mia", etc.) is prohibited.

*!WoW!* good attention to detail amethystgirl....

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