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Upping calorie intake to lose weight faster


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Someone once told me: the less you eat, the more you lose

But then I see all these posts about hitting weight loss plateaus, and people responding by saying that you should eat MORE to lose weight.

Can someone explain this concept to me?

It doesn't make sense that you can lose more by eating 1800 calories a day, than you would by eating 1400 calories.

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If you search the forums, there are countless posts that explain this. :)

It all depends on your body and finding your own sweet spot. If you eat too little, it can slow your metabolism, causing the weight to come off much slower. You have to find that perfect place where you are feeding your body enough to keep your metabolism going without overeating. If you're losing 1-2 pounds per week, you've found the perfect balance.

http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/calories /burning_calories/starvation.htm

Here ya go.

edit: it was the best link I could find on short notice, but it isn't perfect. Just a very general starting place.

Yes, I understand that your metabolism will slow down when you lose weight. But that still doesn't explain WHY eating 1800 calories will make you lose weight faster than 1500. Does eating 1800 calories/ day make your metabolism skyrocket so high that it'll go from burning 1400 calories/ day to all of a sudden 2000 calories!?

Original Post by mimi_js:

Yes, I understand that your metabolism will slow down when you lose weight. But that still doesn't explain WHY eating 1800 calories will make you lose weight faster than 1500. Does eating 1800 calories/ day make your metabolism skyrocket so high that it'll go from burning 1400 calories/ day to all of a sudden 2000 calories!?

No one is saying YOU need to eat 1800 calories instead of 1400. Maybe 1400 calories keeps your metabolism going. Maybe 1500 does. We don't know - it's your body. It's not that eating more calories in general makes you lose weight faster, it's eating enough calories for your body. Really, it's not that complicated.

Not on its own. If you only burn 1600 calories a day and you consume 1800, you aren't going to lose. If you burn 2000 calories a day (and it helps to add strength training and cardio several times per week) and eat 1800 calories a day, yes.
We recommend to people that they increase their calories when they aren't eating enough for their body and/or activity level to being with. It's not just a go-to phrase that gets pulled out for everyone.

Consistently eating too few (or just restricted) calories will slow the metabolism, thus making it more difficult to lose fat. When someone hits a plateau, the body has adjusted to their current caloric intake and/or activity level, most generally. Increasing the calories will slowly increase their metabolism. After a while, in most cases, the person will fall back to the restricted (within reason) calorie amount.

*hopes that makes sense as I'm nodding off in front of the monitor*

So not eating enough for your body will make you hit a weight loss plateau? 

It shouldn't be complicated, but people have made it complicated. 

I used to think, the less I eat the more I lose. Then someone said "no you need to eat more than 1200 calories a day or you'll die." But people in concentration camps survived eating 800 calories/ day. And I'm pretty sure they were doing a lot of physical activity too.

**EDIT: Once again, everyone is taking what I say out of context. NO I am not trying to eat like I live on a concentration camp, NO I am not trying to be un-politically correct, NO I am not being insensitive. This was just the first thought that popped into my head when someone told me to never go below 1200 calories or else I will die. "Really? For how long? Bc people can live months on a 800 a day even with a lot of strenuous activity." 

& the someone else introduced to me the BMR and BMI crap. Further complicating the matter.

Then I learned about how many calories I burn if I'm sedentary or lightly active, and how I should eat 500-1000 less than that, even though doing so will put me under 1200 calories. 

Now 2 years and an ED/BED later, I find myself still just as confused, since trying to lose weight the "right" way is a lot harder to understand for me.

Do you really want to survive like a person who was in a concentration camp? That's a pretty weak argument.

Yes, you can "survive" on very few calories for a very long time. But losing weight is a consequence of getting healthy (if you're overweight), which is the main aim of this site. Talk to some of the lovely people in the Health & Support forum, if they're willing to share. They can tell you what life was like when they were merely eating enough to "survive".

Defecits aren't only achieved by eating less. They're ideally achieved through physical activity, too. Those who are unwilling or unable to do physical activity have to settle for less of a defecit.

Here's an example: with exercise, my approximate daily calorie burn is 2,599 calories (BMR is 1689). I eat between 1600-2000 calories a day. I exercise for 45 minutes-2 hours at least five days a week. I lose weight.

It's really not complicated. Eat a decent amount and move about. :)

Wow...no I NEVER said I wanted to eat like I was in a concentration camp. Thank you for blatantly making up stories about me. Very much appreciated. 

You used it as an example. I said it was a poor one.

edit: was that the only thing you took from that post? A conceived "story" about you?

No. I understand what you are trying to say, that's all stuff I already know and is all very obvious. It's that I just didn't understand why some people wanted to convince others to eat more for them to lose weight. And I still don't. But whatever, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.

OP:

what are you stats and how much do you want to lose?

Activity + very low calorie intake can equal stalled weightloss.

I think this explains a lot of the factors pretty well

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/why -big-caloric-deficits-and-lots-of-activity-ca n-hurt-fat-loss.html

Original Post by mimi_js:

No. I understand what you are trying to say, that's all stuff I already know and is all very obvious. It's that I just didn't understand why some people wanted to convince others to eat more for them to lose weight. And I still don't. But whatever, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.

 Maybe if we knew in what context they were told to eat more, we could better answer your question?

Well it's not me, since my weight hasn't hit a plateau. I was just confused about the whole "eat more to lose more" concept. 

And I'm awful at losing weight the "right" way, because for some reason it is easier for me to eat nothing than to eat a balanced diet. So that is why ever sense I started this whole "healthy dieting" technique, I've actually been gaining weight bc I just end up binging.

Original Post by mimi_js:


I used to think, the less I eat the more I lose. Then someone said "no you need to eat more than 1200 calories a day or you'll die." But people in concentration camps survived eating 800 calories/ day. And I'm pretty sure they were doing a lot of physical activity too.

While I understand your point, you have it wrong.  People did die in those circumstances, many of them from starvation and malnutrition.  So the "eat less than this and you'll die" argument is correct, though I don't know that 1200 is necessarily the magic number.  Suffice it to say that there is, in fact, a number too low to support continued existence.

Original Post by mimi_js:

No. I understand what you are trying to say, that's all stuff I already know and is all very obvious. It's that I just didn't understand why some people wanted to convince others to eat more for them to lose weight. And I still don't. But whatever, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.

See, and this is were practical knowledge differs from book knowledge. (I've just come from your philosphy thread)

Some people advise others to eat more because these others post for example that they are 15, eat 1300 cal and don't lose weight despite being active. There usually is some sort of 'maybe' or 'you might want to' involved in the advice.

And, btw, the comparison to concentration camps is appalingly bad rethorics. Bringing this up on a weightloss discussion is incredibly disrespectful towards the victims of the biggest systematically organised mass murder in human history. Totally inappropriate and neither helps with the discussion nor adds anything constructive to it.

What is probably going on for you it seems is that you might want to consider developing a healthier body image and imagine that you are deserving of a healthy body no matter what it looks like and then you might want to try to attin tha tgoal by eating sufficiently and spaced out according to your level of activity sarting with as a guide your height weight sleep patterns etc. If you want the most extensive answer to how you might want to eat and maintain a sedentary or lightly active lifestyle you may want to see a dietitian, nutritionist and/or a personal trainer.

Peace

Original Post by mimi_js:

Well it's not me, since my weight hasn't hit a plateau. I was just confused about the whole "eat more to lose more" concept. 

And I'm awful at losing weight the "right" way, because for some reason it is easier for me to eat nothing than to eat a balanced diet. So that is why ever sense I started this whole "healthy dieting" technique, I've actually been gaining weight bc I just end up binging.

 Please re-read what you wrote above.

The reason your binging and gaining is cause your body is hungry. Others are told to eat 1800 because maybe they were at 1500 and their metabolism slowed and/or they have a high deficit from working out. So say they were normally eating 1500 and their BMR is 1600 then they did an intense work out and burned 600. Well that would bring their BMR up to 2200 and they are only eating 1500 which may make them hungry and then doing this for a long period of time may stahl out their metabolism. And then there is the plateau.

Now after reading your response above its sounds that your burning too much and need to eat which is why your binging. You contridicted yourself too saying that what your doing is working for you but then in this comment you said your gaining. Well which is it? Are you losing or gaining? If your losing at 1400 but also binging at 1400, maybe try eating healthy whole foods (grains, lean proteins, veggies, fruits) in 5 small meals a day and you wont binge and also aim for maybe 1500 calories. If your working out go for 1600 calories.

Wow.. is this site the queen of people who enjoy putting words into each other's mouths!!

Gem- Why don't you tell me where I said "what I'm doing is working for me."

NO WHERE!!!!!!!

So YOU go and re-read what I wrote above.

I said "I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing."

Which is simply a statement of an action.

You don't even know what I'm doing. 

And just so ALL of you know, this post wasn't a question for MY diet. It was a question for CLARIFICATION. 

But apparently judgment surpasses true advice here.

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