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what happen to "I'm a strong, independent woman"


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Does any one believe in it anymore?

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I do.

I think that placing too much emphasis on "woman" is kind of pointless. Sure, in some countries, there are still major inequalities between treatment of the sexes (and this should definitely be focused on), but in first world countries, third-wave feminists are pointless because we already are equal. Of course there are always physical differences, and there are expectations based on that (wouldn't expect a man to carry a baby; wouldn't expect a woman to be as adept at manual labour as a man), but otherwise, opportunities and treatment are equal. Of course I am super grateful to the early feminists for fighting so hard and allowing women today to have rights that were originally not granted. But they were successful, so there is no more reason to fight for this in developed countries.

Why "I'm a strong, independent woman"? Why not "I'm a strong, independent person?"

O otherwise, opportunities and treatment are equal

I wish that were true.

Original Post by mazohyst_of_decadence:

Why "I'm a strong, independent woman"? Why not "I'm a strong, independent person?"

Although I don't agree that women and men are completely equal in even developed countries; it is a constant battle to be fought. I do like this last sentence you wrote. It could also be applied to race as well as gender and this is something I've always whole-heartedly believed in. Look at someone as a person not by their gender, nor by their race but by their actions and words.

Original Post by mazohyst_of_decadence:

I think that placing too much emphasis on "woman" is kind of pointless. Sure, in some countries, there are still major inequalities between treatment of the sexes (and this should definitely be focused on), but in first world countries, third-wave feminists are pointless because we already are equal. Of course there are always physical differences, and there are expectations based on that (wouldn't expect a man to carry a baby; wouldn't expect a woman to be as adept at manual labour as a man), but otherwise, opportunities and treatment are equal. Of course I am super grateful to the early feminists for fighting so hard and allowing women today to have rights that were originally not granted. But they were successful, so there is no more reason to fight for this in developed countries.

Why "I'm a strong, independent woman"? Why not "I'm a strong, independent person?"

Equal? no, we're not equal yet.

The fact that I earn 78 cents to every dollar a man makes-not equal

The fact that my reproductive choices are still up for debate-not equal

The fact that I can't sleep around with out someone calling me a slut-not equal

The fact that there was a panel of MEN to discuss my right to affordable BC-not equal

The fact that young women are still instructed on how to prevent rape (as if its their fault), whereas there are little to no instructions given to young men on how to prevent rape-not equal

The fact that there are hundreds, thousands of untested rape kits around the country-not equal

The fact that there is a vicious double standard for women when it comes to appearances-not equal

need I go on? We're getting there, and we're in a much better place than women in the developing world, but no, we're not equal.

Women and men are not equal, though. Women are the physically weaker sex and you have to admit that men could easily overpower us based on sheer physical strength. As a female, I honestly admit that naturally, women are the weaker sex. Nature is neither fair nor equal. So it's quite nice that society strives to be fair and equal. And it's really quite nice that society favours us on a lot of things based on this weakness.

Spousal abuse happens to men, too. If it happens to women, people will immediately jump on the attacker and take all measures to help the victim. If it happens to men? He is too afraid to confide because he fears that society will laugh at him and not take him seriously. Now, it's true that rape happens to women more frequently, so this is probably why rape prevention is more frequently taught to women. But I don't think teaching them about prevention and caution is hurtful; extra precaution is good. If rape happens to men, guarantee the situation will be taken to be much less serious than rape happening to women. Is rape any less traumatic for men? No. But people are more likely to treat it as a joke. Some people don't even believe that a man can be raped!

If an adult woman is interested in a younger boy, his friends will congratulate him on landing a "hot cougar", and she is even revered as a MILF. A man interested in a younger girl? "Pedo!"

I agree that one's sex life is not anyone else's business, but no matter what you do, someone is going to judge and insult you. Today, barely anyone cares about how promiscuous you are (both male and female), unless it directly concerns them. And I think it's reasonable for someone to be concerned about a potential mate's promiscuity.

In divorce cases and cases over child support, the woman is usually favoured. A man basically gives up half of his money and possessions to his wife if they divorce. If a man wants to marry a girl, he'd better be ready with a shiny diamond... I think the basic standard is one month's salary? And on dates, the man is expected to pick up the bill.

And society will always have high standards based on appearance, but I have never seen anyone lose job opportunities based on appearance. No one will ever meet those standards, both male or female. And no one is forcing anyone to be more attractive, so I don't think this is a problem at all. Btw, the saying that there's no such thing as an ugly woman is extremely true because we have so many things available to us to easily make us appear more "attractive" than men do (that no one is forcing us to use).

Payment is not based on gender. It is based on experience, contribution and liability. Without a doubt, people with families will have less dedication toward work because their heart is with their families. Nothing wrong with that, but it's true. And women who have babies are more likely to take time off to focus on their offspring. When a couple is expecting a baby, pregnancy will definitely impact the woman's work performance a lot more than the man's. At some point, she will have to stop working for a while, and her boss loses a productive employee. Is it fair that women who choose to totally focus on their careers suffer pay because of this? No. But it's also unfair that very meticulous teens have to pay more for car insurance because teens typically are more "reckless". Work harder. Make your employer understand your dedication. Tell your employer of your plans to never utilize your uterus. I'm sure they will be very understanding in raising your pay to the desired value.

In developed countries, women can vote, have an education, have a career, drive, own property, dress how we want, and the list goes on. All things we couldn't do a hundred years ago. What can we really not do today that men can do? I think equality between men and women is good enough. Wanna fight ah, go fight for the rights of women in Middle East who are still truly subject to a man's rule.

A century ago, yes, women were treated unfairly. For a long time they didn't even get to go to school or vote. They were hardly considered human in many societies. But we're in the 21st century now, and a lot has changed since then. Now, in most western societies(there's still a lot of sexism in some Asian and Middle Eastern places though), women have pretty much every right a man does.

To me, it actually seems like women are becoming the superior sex in America these days. On TV, on the internet, in books, and countless times when in person, I've witnessed a lot of women being rude and prejudice to men(hell, most women are also mean to each other). Yet not once in my life can I say that I've ever been treated inferior by a male. I'm sure it's the same for many other American women, which is why there isn't really that much of a need to constantly plea for the right of independance and equality. We're not in the 1800's anymore.

But, it does break my heart when I read news articles about something such as a Muslim woman getting acid thrown at her face, destroying her beauty for life(either that or killing her) because she angered her husband.

 Yet not once in my life can I say that I've ever been treated inferior by a male. 

You are quite lucky.  

I agree that there is a lot unfairness that can happen for males, fewer resources when they are victims of domestic violence or sexual assault, have a harder time (generally) in divorce proceedings and custody, but I think the solution is to make society equal in terms of gender across the board.  Instead what we see are "women's rights-all men suck," and "father's rights-bros before hoes."

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Original Post by kittycats502:To me, it actually seems like women are becoming the superior sex in America these days. On TV, on the internet, in books, and countless times when in person, I've witnessed a lot of women being rude and prejudice to men(hell, most women are also mean to each other). Yet not once in my life can I say that I've ever been treated inferior by a male. I'm sure it's the same for many other American women, which is why there isn't really that much of a need to constantly plea for the right of independance and equality. We're not in the 1800's anymore.

Try working in a restaurant, or bar for a couple of weeks.  Women and men are definitely treated differently in some environments. 

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Original Post by vonapathy:

Equal? no, we're not equal yet.

The fact that I earn 78 cents to every dollar a man makes-not equal

The fact that my reproductive choices are still up for debate-not equal

The fact that I can't sleep around with out someone calling me a slut-not equal

The fact that there was a panel of MEN to discuss my right to affordable BC-not equal

The fact that young women are still instructed on how to prevent rape (as if its their fault), whereas there are little to no instructions given to young men on how to prevent rape-not equal

The fact that there are hundreds, thousands of untested rape kits around the country-not equal

The fact that there is a vicious double standard for women when it comes to appearances-not equal

need I go on? We're getting there, and we're in a much better place than women in the developing world, but no, we're not equal.


Hear hear.

Unfortunately, things get *worse* as you get older, not better.

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Original Post by kittycats502:

... I'm sure it's the same for many other American women, which is why there isn't really that much of a need to constantly plea for the right of independance and equality. We're not in the 1800's anymore.

But, it does break my heart when I read news articles about something such as a Muslim woman getting acid thrown at her face, destroying her beauty for life(either that or killing her) because she angered her husband.

Wow, 'cos that only happens to Muslim women!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-122 1077/Katie-Piper-Acid-attack-victim-bravely-s hows-face-disfigured-boyfriend-Daniel-Lynch.h tml

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-21139 39/Patricia-Lefranc-Acid-attack-victim-arrive s-testify-married-lover.html

Oh, occasionally, it happens to Muslim women, I grant you...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/26/salf ord-acid-attack-racially-motivated

Oops, it wasn't her (muslim) husband what did it!

Not everyone got your memo that this isn't the 1800's.

I'm not saying women in some countries don't have it much worse than others. What I'm saying is even in wonderfully enlightened Western societies, most women have to contend with sexism, some also have a tasty side order of racism (and other -isms and -phobias) to go with it.

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