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Your response to these topics in one short sentence

Gay Marriage: Just because they don't fit in your "book" doesn't mean a thing, let them get married.

Abortion: Too many people on this earth already, keep it legal.

Obama: Yeah, boii.

Mccain: No, your old and going to die soon.

Jesus: I don't believe in him for a second.

Evolution : Sure.

Global Warming : Global what?

George W.: eat my ***

Sex Before Marriage: doin it.

The Drinking Age: keep it the same.

Pot: smoke if you wanna, don't if you don't.

The War: end it.

Meat: eat it.

Tattoos: got em.

The Devil: no way.

Ghosts: you betcha

Aliens: have you not seen ET?

Censorship: leave my music alone.

Magic: I can float.

Love: I'm in it.

Religion: I hate it.

Surely you've read these records (or books about them) from the loads of old civilizations, yes?  Why else would you make such a claim?  I've never heard of them.  I'd just like to know your source.

I'm pretty sure there's historical evidence on Jesus existing. Not historical evidence saying that he was the son of god, just evidence saying that Jesus of Nazareth existed.

I personally only know of the Jewish Historian Josephus that mentioned Jesus in his writings. I just looked it up out of curiosity and the passages appear in "The Antiquities of the Jews." ...just in-case you're interested.

I could totally be pulling this all out of my arse though, blame it on the History Channel.

I know about the four historians that wrote about Jesus (or some form of the word Christ).  That's all disputed though (well, not if you ask Biblical scholars).

I was asking about the "historical records from loads of old civilizations."

Gay Marriage: Love makes the world go round, the more the merrier.

Abortion: To each her own.

Obama: I hope so

Mccain: Too many horses beaten to death.

Jesus: To each his/her own.

Evolution : Makes sense.

Global Warming :The earth has been doing it for eons on it's own.

George W.: done and over with

Sex Before Marriage: enjoying it.

The Drinking Age: keep it the same.

Pot: smoke if you wanna, don't if you don't...just don't do it where I have to smell it.

The War: end it.

Meat: eat it.

Tattoos: like the temporaries and henna, the real ones aren't my style

The Devil: most of the interesting people are going to hell, might as well join them.

Ghosts: you betcha

Aliens: I don't think they're in Roswell.

Censorship: not a fan...an audio limit for cars would be useful

Magic: love reading about it

Love: I know it when I feel it.

Religion: Avoid whenever possible

I'm pretty sure I remember several different sources of evidence of the historical record of Jesus of Nazareth. I couldn't name them. I haven't looked at that in a long long time. I am also remembering several different programs I've seen on the History Channel.

I don't doubt at all that Jesus was actually alive on earth. All of the other major religious prophets such as Buddah and Mohammed have evidence of their existence on earth.

The rest of the stories .........

Original Post by jewelsmcblah:

I know about the four historians that wrote about Jesus (or some form of the word Christ).  That's all disputed though (well, not if you ask Biblical scholars).

I was asking about the "historical records from loads of old civilizations."

 Jewels.  Most people don't dispute the fact that Jesus lived.  (see mooni's post on #65).  the only dispute is whether he is the son of God.

Again, I was asking about the "historical records from loads of old civilizations."

There are none.  There are 4 historians who wrote about Jesus (or some form of the word Christ) and they are all disputed.  There is no other historical evidence that suggests Jesus Christ lived.  In some of the Gnostic Gospels, and other books that didn't make it into the Bible, Jesus was figuritive.

Sounds like people are scared that Jesus actually existed.  :D

It is rather odd that there is no historical evidence of Jesus especially since the Romans were known to keep records of such things as trials and executions.

I really think there is mention of a Jesus of Nazareth being crucified. I can't remember what source it would be found under. It's been too long since I looked into it. I also don't care to spend any time researching it. I also remember hearing a controversy that may have related to some of the gospels that weren't included in the bible that the man who was crucified was not actually Jesus and that's how he rose from the dead.

I think there is enough historical data to conclude that a man who went by the name Jesus of Nazareth actually lived about 2000 years ago. The rest ........

^ Exactly.  He did exist.  I love how people are so afraid that Jesus lived.  Well big deal, if you don't want to believe in him no one's making you.  Don't try to negate what's been proven, at least, that he lived.  If you were really an athiest, you wouldn't give a crap.  The athiests who get all angry about mention of god/Jesus is because they are terrified something actually exists.

Original Post by kizzichan:

^ Exactly.  He did exist.  I love how people are so afraid that Jesus lived.  Well big deal, if you don't want to believe in him no one's making you.  Don't try to negate what's been proven, at least, that he lived.  If you were really an athiest, you wouldn't give a crap.  The athiests who get all angry about mention of god/Jesus is because they are terrified something actually exists.

You've got that wrong. Most atheists and non-Christians who get angry when god/Jesus are brought up do so not out of secret terror they're wrong. They get angry because they've been threatened and discriminated against because of their beliefs.

I have found that many Christians want to believe that non-Christians are afraid we're wrong, when in fact we have just as much faith in what we believe to be right as what the Christians believe to be right. As a whole, we are not afraid we're wrong. Most of us have come to our beliefs through much internal study. Many of us have actually researched and educated ourselves about many of the main religions of the world.

i would also like to add mooni.... for the third time it appears.... that no one is really disputing if the he lived and walked this earth or not.... what is up for argument is if he was the "son of god....." not sure how you prove that!?!?!

*coming out of lurker mode cause this looks fun*

Gay Marriage: Yes, please!

Abortion: My body, my choice- and I have a fundamental right to control what happens to my body.

Obama: I really hope he lives up to his promise.

Mccain: What the heck happened to you man?  I used to like you.

Jesus: Was an interesting and influential man.

Evolution : Moths.

Global Warming : Even if people stick their heads in the sand it exists and it's not going away.

George W.: Oh God get it away from me...

Sex Before Marriage: I personally really want to know the person I want to marry before it's too late.

The Drinking Age: Is fine.

Pot: Legalize it already, come on people.

The War: Needs to end.

Meat: Is fine.

Tattoos: Like them, want to design them- dunno if I'll get one.

The Devil: Doesn't exist.

Ghosts: I see them all the time.

Aliens: Remind me of my mom.

Censorship: No!  Free speech!  Let the parents regulate the kids and not force the government to play baby sitter.

Magic: Is so awesome.

Love: I want it.

Religion:If it's organized, it scares me.

Gay Marriage: Yes!  Hello - equality anyone?  

Abortion: I wouldn't do it, but I would never take that right from anyone else.

Obama: <3

Mccain: GAG!

Jesus: I believe in him.

Evolution : Yup, believe in that too.

Global Warming : We're all doomed

George W.: I can't wait until January.

Sex Before Marriage: More please.

The Drinking Age: Keep it the same (look back in the 70s for evidence if needed)

Pot: I never have, but go for it if you want.

The War: Enough already.

Meat: Yum.

Tattoos: None yet - about to though.

The Devil: In some form or another.

Ghosts: In some form or another.

Aliens: I'm not vain enough to not believe.

Censorship: I don't have much of an opinion here... need more context.

Magic: Exists.

Love: Yes.

Religion: To each their own.

I'm not agruing whether or not Jesus lived, however, I am disputing the statement that there is historical evidence to prove that there was a man called Jesus of Nasareth who was cruxified by Pontious Pilot in Jerusalem.  None of the writing about Jesus are from his time, including Josephus who was born in 37 ad and wrote Antiquities in 93 ad.   All of the information that we have about the life and death of Jesus was written well after his death.  There is even a dispute as to whether or not Nasareth exited at the time that Jesus in thought to have lived there.

I have always believed that Jesus lived and that he was a great man and a martyr that died on the cross but it is naive to say that this is a proven fact.

Original Post by kizzichan:

If you were really an athiest, you wouldn't give a crap.  

I'm always amused when people try to define what a person should believe or do if they "were really a [insert belief here]", particularly in reference to atheism. 

While I don't particularly give a crap that other people believe, I do care when they try to insert it into legislation and try to control my life by it.  Fear and/or denial is neither present or relevant.

I'm always amused when people try to define what a person should believe or do if they "were really a [insert belief here]",

Funny you should mention that.  I was just having a private conversation with someone a couple days ago.  This person didn't think that I should post a certain way if I was really a [Christian].  It was a non-religious person saying this to me, by the way.  I think it goes both ways.

Original Post by peaches0405:

This person didn't think that I should post a certain way if I was really a [Christian].  It was a non-religious person saying this to me, by the way.  I think it goes both ways.

 Agreed.

Original Post by moonikins:

Original Post by kizzichan:

^ Exactly.  He did exist.  I love how people are so afraid that Jesus lived.  Well big deal, if you don't want to believe in him no one's making you.  Don't try to negate what's been proven, at least, that he lived.  If you were really an athiest, you wouldn't give a crap.  The athiests who get all angry about mention of god/Jesus is because they are terrified something actually exists.

You've got that wrong. Most atheists and non-Christians who get angry when god/Jesus are brought up do so not out of secret terror they're wrong. They get angry because they've been threatened and discriminated against because of their beliefs.

I have found that many Christians want to believe that non-Christians are afraid we're wrong, when in fact we have just as much faith in what we believe to be right as what the Christians believe to be right. As a whole, we are not afraid we're wrong. Most of us have come to our beliefs through much internal study. Many of us have actually researched and educated ourselves about many of the main religions of the world.

See, I'm not sure about that.  For example, this whole "Happy Holidays" thing?  Name one other major holiday that occurs around Christmas time.  Hannukah?  Hannukah isn't one of the MOST important holidays of the Jewish calendar.  It's hardly worth starting a whole shopping season for.  Similarly with Kwanzaa - that's a cultural celebration for people of the African-American race - not that there's anything wrong with that at all, but in the same way, you wouldn't get the nation in a hype over it.  That leaves us with Christmas.  Which is, essentially, what we are no longer allowed to say.  No more "Merry Christmas" in stores, now it's "Happy Holidays."  Who's being discriminated against here?  Personally, I feel that, as a Christian, commercial Christmas, while fun, takes the real meaning out of it.  But even putting that aside, I feel like people aren't allowed to even mention Christianity anymore.  It's all I hear around Christmas time, anyway, how WalMart is still saying "Merry Christmas" and how some psycho athiest is complaining because they feel "discriminated" against when someone wishes them a merry Christmas.  Look, I realize that not all athiests do this - it's only the noisy and insane ones that get any attention - but how is it discriminating to be kind to somebody?  Even if you don't celebrate Christmas, it's certainly nothing to get your panties in a bunch about.  If a Jewish person wished me a happy Rosh Hashanah, I'd think it was kind of silly, but I'd thank them anyway because it's a nice thing to say.  People are just happy because it's a nice season of kind gestures and they shouldn't have that taken away from them.  All I'm trying to say is, discrimination isn't limited to the minority anymore.

I realize you have your beliefs.  I'm not going to debate that - I'm sure you're just as content with them as I am.  But I just don't understand how people get so damn EMOTIONAL when you say something like "Jesus lived."  Well, yes, he did.  If anyone wants to debate whether he was the son of God, I'll debate that all day.  That's actually ABLE to be debated.  If someone has researched and is well-educated, then I expect that they wouldn't make a statement like "Jesus never lived."  That doesn't show education at all, it shows either fear, ignorance, or stupidity.  To admit that doesn't contradict the belief that there is no God.  In your opinion, then, Jesus was just a man, and therefore should be about as threatening as admitting that Chuck Norris lives.